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Julian Pham (Julian_Blk348)
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - 9:27 pm: | |
Correction:
I meant to say "but Mike is not a mechanic", not Phil! |
Julian Pham (Julian_Blk348)
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - 9:25 pm: | |
Leonardo,
Phil was not comfortable with the hard clutch and the oil leaks (front cam seal and retainer seal). Sam (Foreign Aid) confirmed that it's a nice car with new clutch, just out of adjustment. So I closed the deal conditional upon a major service (which will fix the leaks and adjust the clutch). And the car was priced very reasonable. Like I said, Phil is willing to work with you if you're a serious buyer. But keep in mind that he's not a mechanic so get a second opnion.
Julian |
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - 4:21 pm: | |
The '86 GTB sounds good, if the check goes well and the price is fair. |
Leonardo Soccolich (Lens)
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - 8:22 am: | |
Julian,
I�ve also spoken with Phil Tegtmeier at Mike�s recommendation. I couldn�t get Phil to come and see a car in central NJ. It was an 86 328 GTS with 15k miles that only had 500 miles put on it in four years, and 3,000 miles in twelve years. I passed on the car, and speaking with Phil probably had something to do with my decision. Why did he recommend you not by your car, and why did you? |
Julian Pham (Julian_Blk348)
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - 11:07 pm: | |
Leonardo,
No, I'm in CA. You would love this story...
Mike actually recommended Phil Tegtmeier, a very experieced ferrari inspector (who I ended up using). After thorough inspections and his own research of the car history, he actually recommended against it! eventually, I closed the deal with Mike, with he and I splitting the cost for all the repairs.
Phil knows both Mike Tillman and Foreign Aid (Sam) and he said that they both are trust worthy. I think Foreign Aid is in PA because it's close to Pro Auto Exchange. Good luck,
Julian |
Leonardo Soccolich (Lens)
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - 8:09 am: | |
Julian,
Thanks for the info on Mike. I agree, he seems to be a straight shooter. Where is Foreign Aid? Are you in the PA area? Has Mike recommended Mike Tillman to you? |
Julian Pham (Julian_Blk348)
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - 12:55 am: | |
Leonardo,
I just bought a '92 blk 348ts from Mike Haber (Pro Auto Exchange). In fact it's being serviced by Foreign Aid right now before Mike will ship it to me. I feel that Mike is a trust worthy seller that will honestly tell you what he knows about the car - but he's not a mechanic so get your own mechanic to inspect the car. Mike is very nice and flexible to do business with. He's also very responsive and available.
With all that said, I hope like hell my car will arrive in the conditions described by Mike.
Good luck on your purchase,
Julian |
BretM (Bretm)
| | Posted on Monday, April 09, 2001 - 9:02 pm: | |
I don't get any fuel smell, but I do get a very faint rubber smell. It doesn't smell like a belt. I think it is one of the rubber houses touching the engine or the oil radiator. No fuel though, hmmmm.. Most of the time fuel smells are relatively easy to fix in cars. I've almost always found them related to fuel filters or a little flooding on older cars. Or even sometime it can be a cylinder not firing, but then it's usually exhaust raw fuel which smells bad. |
Leonardo Soccolich (Lens)
| | Posted on Monday, April 09, 2001 - 8:40 pm: | |
Well, I went to see an 86 328 GTB today. Two owners, 22,222k miles (must be my lucky number). It was in excellent virgin condition. Original paint, very nice body with no ripples or dings. A few minor stone chips. The dreaded front bonnet disaster had struck, but luckily the aluminum hood and paintwork suffered no damage at all. The subframe had broken and was satisfactorily repaired. A better aesthetic job could have been achieved by a real pro I think. Anyway, the stock strut was replaced with the kinder gas strut to prevent a repeat performance. I think I can live with the hood.
The interior is in great shape, headliner is great, rear cockpit cloth very good (not torn or ripped) except for what appear to be water stains near the small side windows. Can these stains be taken out? I�m in the museum business�I think a good textile conservator could use solvents to wash away the stain. Seats are very good, except for the usual wear on the driver�s left side bolster.
For those of you who saw my posting under �328 aftermarket exhaust,� this was the car. I have to tell you, the performance difference was extremely noticeable. I was pinned to the back of my seat in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gears. I spoke with Vinny at Auto Elite and he says the Borla adds another 15hp. He aslo says its better for the engine because it breathes easier. The down side is I�ll never be able to have it inspected at a NJ state inspection facility because the catalitic converter has been taken off. Thank god its stored away with the original factory exhaust if I ever need it.
The car has fairly new Comp T/As (not my first choice) on aftermarket three piece rims. The original rims are also stored away. I�m going back to see them in a few days. Those rims are the determining factor here. The rims, and copies of service records.
I have to say, the GTB interior has more charm than the GTS. The center console has a modest armrest because you don�t have to store the top, and the headliner has a funky dome/maplight pod that�s integrated with the third brake light. The interior just feels a little less modern than the GTS; more like a 308. This car has red carpets, which look great.
Will keep everyone posted. If the Cromodora wheels check out, its time for a pre-purchase inspection. I have to say, I was really impressed with Vinny at Auto Elite. I would have no problem having him work on the car. I speak pretty good Italian, so that may have helped. He charges about $2,500 for a complete major service with timing belts and valve adjustment. He said I shouldn�t bother with a compression/leak down test. He says with that kind of mileage the car isn�t even broken in yet, and he can gauge the compression just by listening to the engine.
One thing�is it normal to get a faint whiff of fuel from the engine bay?
I could keep going, so I�ll stop now. |
BretM (Bretm)
| | Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2001 - 9:11 pm: | |
The GTS is better everyday you own it except those few times that you take it on the track. Track time is such a small portion of the time you spend in the car, is it really worth it to get a GTB. GTS are more readily available and have that Magnum, p.i.-esque look to them that started a lot of the Ferrari craze. Also, it's not like the GTS isn't a very capable track car. Plus, you'll never notice the difference because it's not like you'll own both of them (at least not yet).
Sorry, never heard of them. But I'll look around a little. |
Leonardo Soccolich (Lens)
| | Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2001 - 7:48 am: | |
Professionally speaking, both cars have aesthetic pluses and minuses. There�s no doubt that the GTB is the �purer� form, and the best choice for the track. On the other hand, I do agree that an open top provides a certain thrill. Its the same kind of feeling I experience in my 911 Targa, except that the 328 cockpit is so much smaller that you don�t feel the same level of flex. I also think that the black louvers behind the windows are handled much better on the GTS. And one other thing, would you want to buy a GTB that�s been tracked by someone who�s less than fanatical about upkeep?
Anyway, while you guys are debating about whether to go GTB or GTS, I�m trying to find a car! Frankly, I could go either way if it was the right one. On that note, has anybody had any experience with, or heard about Pro-Auto Exchange (Mike Haber) near Philadelphia? |
jim galli (Galli)
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 3:46 pm: | |
I agree with CHRIS |
Christiank (Christiank)
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 9:28 am: | |
I don't own a 308 or 328 but the GTS is sure nice in the summer and the GTB has definetely its racing advantages with the stability. I think both are fantastic cars and if I would have to take a choice I would buy both LOL. |
jim galli (Galli)
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 9:02 am: | |
STEVE:I have plenty of interest in my 328gts without this chat room.328gtb is only better in your own mind. |
Stephen J. MacKellar (88gtb)
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 7:38 pm: | |
I guess if I had a GTS for sale I would be saying the same thing to potential buyers, although calling a GTB not a Ferrari is a bit strong. I suspected my "B's are better" to start the fur flying! |
jim galli (Galli)
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 6:49 pm: | |
GTB: If the wind isnt in your hair its not a ferrari.What would you rather see a headliner or blue sky????????? GTS IS THE ONLY CHOICE |
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
| | Posted on Monday, April 02, 2001 - 10:51 pm: | |
Yes, I think the GTBs look better and are better for the track, which is where Ferraris are meant to be in this world.
For all of us GTS owners... you know what I'm talking about when taking the lady out in the cool evening air when the top is off. |
Stephen J. MacKellar (88gtb)
| | Posted on Monday, April 02, 2001 - 9:20 pm: | |
Premier Sportscars, Springfield, Missouri has - or recently had - a pristine 11,000 mile fully documented 88 or 89 328 GTB. I purchased my 88.5 GTB from them in September (a 3200 mile car) that was fully documented, books, records - a superb car in every way. Give these guys a chance - they only buy and sell the best and there is a no risk guarantee. You can find them on the web - just key word search for Premier Sportscars and you should find a picture of the GTB. Good luck and buy the GTB - B's are BETTER!! |
jim galli (Galli)
| | Posted on Monday, April 02, 2001 - 8:38 pm: | |
Leonardo: I have a 1987 ferrari 328gts RED/BLK leather with 38k miles the major service is complete t/belts water pump valve adj and all fluids the car has many new parts and is well sorted out.I have all the records orig owners manuel and stamped service booklet.it also has a hi end cd stereo and keyless.entry alarm it is currently on consighnment at a ferrari dealership on the showroom floor they have done a complete inspection and found it to be in excellent cond. I am asking 47.5k but will take offers.You can reach me at (510)278-1100 or email at [email protected] Thank you JIM GALLI |
Leonardo Soccolich (Lens)
| | Posted on Monday, April 02, 2001 - 7:00 pm: | |
Aspiring first time Ferrari owner looking for 86-87 328. First choice is a GTB, but will consider a GTS. Must be red, with tan or black interior; between 20k and 30k miles. 86 cars must have had pertinent recall work performed. Looking to purchase from a private first or second owner who has meticulously cared (cosmetically and mechanically) for the car and can rest assured that that level of passion and commitment will continue. I am an industrial designer, and recognize one of the most beautiful forms ever conceived. Must have complete service record, all books, tools, and jack kit. Evening phone number is 201-692-0379. |
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