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Dave White (Dwhite)
Junior Member
Username: Dwhite
Post Number: 70
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 3:22 pm: | |
Thanks for the replies. I have patched it after speaking with someone who raced, was a former Can-Am crew chief, and has done chassis work for me. I will probably buy a new tire in the spring or winter. Again, thanks for all the responses. |
Philip Airey (Pma1010)
Member
Username: Pma1010
Post Number: 416
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 3:21 pm: | |
(Their vested interest aside [possibly], I thought the manufacturer's advice was generally not to patch or plug a Z rated tire. Replace only. |
Dennis (Bighead)
Junior Member
Username: Bighead
Post Number: 224
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 3:18 pm: | |
Look, don't mean to be too sarcastic, just trying to make a point.
Anything and everything you do with your car could end up in a tragic result. Your tires have treads that are a 1/3rd worn? What if you're driving in wet weather and you hydroplane and kill a bus full of nuns - an accident that could have been avoided if you had bought new tires every 2k miles?
What if you don't have the latest and greatest Brembo brake upgrade, and the corresponding longer braking distance with your stock brake set-up results in you killing a bus full of senior citizens holding baby ducks?
The same scenario can be created with almost any piece on your car. We could all be spending more money to make our cars - and ourselves - safer.
But we don't.
Why? Because we all do cost-benefit analysis, whether intuitively or intentionally. Look, you can make your 308qv safer by spending $$ and getting a brake upgrade kit, getting bigger tires (more contact patch), etc. These things will make your car safer.
BUT IS IT WORTH THE MONEY?
The same logic applies to your decision, Dave. Is the cost of buying a brand new tire to replace the one that you've patched/plugged? I can't answer that, in part because I don't know how old your current tire is, but mostly because that's a decision that you need to make for yourself.
Most tires, and all high-performance tires, have extraordinary amounts of safety margin built in. And hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of people and companies are running patched/plugged tires everyday. And while you do drive a "Ferrari", chances are pretty good that your tires see no harder duty than your neighbor bombing around in her 5500 lbs. SUV at 85 mph.
IMHO, unless you're spending time at the race track where the tires are getting a thorough work-out, get the tire fixed, spend the $200/$300 on driving lessons or a new helmet or donate it to MADD, and forget about it.
vty,
--Dennis
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Dennis (Bighead)
Junior Member
Username: Bighead
Post Number: 223
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 3:06 pm: | |
Dave,
First, my apologies for possibly sounding harsh here.
Have a $30k car and willing to possibly risk it all because of a $32 set of wipers
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Or in this case, a $32 prevention is worth $30k of cure. Add to that if the dirty wipers don't clear the windshield, YOU may have NO ONE to hold liable (legally) due to unclear vision.
Just trying to be your friend and show HARD reality.
And i'll end on this HARD REALITY note: The driver is unable to see through the windshield at the worst possible time. You and your passenger AND ALSO two adults and three children in ANOTHER car due to head-on collision from YOUR DIRTY WINDSHIELD THAT FAILED ALL DIE.
Glad you saved $32 eh? |
Dennis (Bighead)
Junior Member
Username: Bighead
Post Number: 222
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 3:04 pm: | |
Dave,
First, my apologies for possibly sounding harsh here.
Have a $30k car and willing to possibly risk it all because of a $12 bottle of brake fluid.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Or in this case, a $12 prevention is worth $30k of cure. Add to that if the brakes have a problem, YOU may have NO ONE to hold liable (legally) due to failure to bleed.
Just trying to be your friend and show HARD reality.
And i'll end on this HARD REALITY note: The spongy brakes fail at the worst possible time. You and your passenger AND ALSO two adults and three children in ANOTHER car due to head-on collision from YOUR FAILURE TO BLEED YOUR BRAKES ALL DIE.
Glad you saved $12 eh? |
dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member
Username: Davehanda
Post Number: 1795
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 10:17 am: | |
While I prefer patching over a plug, I have never had either fail in the past 20 years...and I generally have one to three repairs per year between two cars. All of my flats were caused by nails or large staples; anything more substantial, and I have the tire replaced. I have replaced tires because the damage either was in the sidewall or just looked excessive to me, perhaps three times.
I do not track, nor drive particularly agressively. I would agree, if you DO track or drive hard, then replacement would be reasonable. |
Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Member
Username: Enjoythemusic
Post Number: 739
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 9:49 am: | |
Dave,
First, my apologies for possibly sounding harsh here.
Have a $30k car and willing to possibly risk it all because of a $200 repaired tire.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Or in this case, a $200 prevention is worth $30k of cure. Add to that if the tire has a problem, YOU may have NO ONE to hold liable (legally) due to patching.
Just trying to be your friend and show HARD reality.
And i'll end on this HARD REALITY note: The patched tire fails at the worst possible time. You and your passenger AND ALSO two adults and three children in ANOTHER car due to head-on collision from YOUR PATCHED TIRE THAT FAILED ALL DIE.
Glad you saved $200 eh?
Enjoy the Drive,
Steven R. Rochlin
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Joe Craven (Rscapri2600)
Junior Member
Username: Rscapri2600
Post Number: 63
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 8:39 am: | |
How fast do you intend to drive the car? If the tire's cords are not damaged, you can repair it but the speed capability is significantly diminished. I would not ever use that tire for track events, speed in excess of 75mph etc.
85 Mondial |
Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Junior Member
Username: Boxer12
Post Number: 186
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 7:20 am: | |
As a product liability lawyer (rollovers, etc), I have seen many cases involving tire failure. ANY damage to a tire is sufficient to cause failure, not just in the sidewall. Tires actually change shape at even moderate speeds, and belts can seperate, etc. A good tire shop will not repair that tire for you. Get a new tire, period. |
John_Miles (John_miles)
Junior Member
Username: John_miles
Post Number: 99
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 11:30 pm: | |
Never plug a tire. In 20 years of driving, I have never seen a plug hold, nor a patch fail (assuming the puncture area is clear of the sidewall). |
Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mitch_alsup
Post Number: 1017
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 9:26 am: | |
A new tire may or may not be required. However, in order to find out, you DO have to pull the old tire off the wheel so it can be examined for belt separations. Assuming the belts are not separated and everything else about the tire checks out, have it patched, mounted and rebalanced. But, At this point, the cost of a new tire is not that excessive. |
Ali Haas (Aehaas)
Junior Member
Username: Aehaas
Post Number: 99
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 5:22 am: | |
New Tire is the only choice for this expensive car. It is not worth the risk and neither are you, Period.
aehaas |
Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Advanced Member
Username: Bws88tr
Post Number: 2783
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 5:00 am: | |
TRUTHFUL ANSWER DAVE....I WOULD DO NEITHER..PLUGGING IT OR PATCHING IT STILL DOES NOT PREVENT A BLOWOUT AT HIGH SPEEDS...I WOULD BUY ANOTHER TIRE ..
GOOD LUCK BUDDY,
BRUCE |
Dave White (Dwhite)
Junior Member
Username: Dwhite
Post Number: 59
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 4:54 am: | |
Beautiful weekend here in NY. Went out driving on Saturday and picked up a nail in one or the rears(center of the tread). Would you trust a plug or would you have it patched. The tire is a Pole Position SO-3. |