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lou staller (Lou_staller)
Junior Member
Username: Lou_staller
Post Number: 67
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2003 - 11:26 am: | |
Bill,
I didn't get your e-mails. I'm switching from dail-up to cable modem and must have screwed something up! I'll check what's up tomorrow. (I have to go to a wedding today.) Thanks soooo much for the use of the tool. I'll let you know if it comes later or Monday. Thanks again! |
Bill Sebestyen (Bill308)
Member
Username: Bill308
Post Number: 543
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2003 - 7:48 am: | |
Lou,
I set you the ring gear socket last Thursday via USPS priority mail. They tell be you should get it Saturday or Monday.
Apparently you didn't get the two emails I sent to you directly. You might want to check the direct email address you supplied in your last message.
Let me know when you get it.
Enjoy,
Bill |
Kurt Kjelgaard (Kurtk328)
Junior Member
Username: Kurtk328
Post Number: 229
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2003 - 1:59 am: | |
Thanks, Verell. |
Verell Boaen (Verell)
Intermediate Member
Username: Verell
Post Number: 1175
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, October 03, 2003 - 11:37 pm: | |
BillyBob's spelling is off. He means:
KASENIT SURFACE HARDENING AND HEAT TREATING COMPOUND
It's used to 'case harden' the surface of a soft low-carbon steel as BillyBob describes in his post.
For more info search the web for Kasenit |
Kurt Kjelgaard (Kurtk328)
Junior Member
Username: Kurtk328
Post Number: 226
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 4:34 am: | |
What is "kasdenit" |
billy bob (Fatbillybob)
Member
Username: Fatbillybob
Post Number: 373
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - 11:02 pm: | |
Yes Bill you are right. I have one real Ferari factory 308 transfer gear tool, 2 baum tool style tools for a small ring nut I forget what for and a trans ring nut one , and two I made myself. They all work but the Ferrari one is the best. The metal is very hard. |
Bill Sebestyen (Bill308)
Member
Username: Bill308
Post Number: 540
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - 6:18 pm: | |
billy bob,
I have 2-ring nut tools, a real Ferrari tool for the transfer gear ring nuts and the Baum tool for the rear axle. I think the Ferrari tool fits better, but the Baum tool appears very robust and worked OK.
The characteristic that makes these tools strong is that they weld tabs on the ID of a circular steel ring to engage the slots in the nuts. The circumference of the tool is complete and continuous. If one grinds a socket to fit, the fingers that protrude are unsupported, and are marginal in strenght at best. The tools, by design are much stronger than a simple machined socket. As I don't have a milling machine and I did not heat treat the part, one of the fingers fractured and I wasted the better part of a day and had to wait for delivery of a proper tool to finish the job. I'm sure you can make an adequate tool but the purchased tools work OK. |
billy bob (Fatbillybob)
Member
Username: Fatbillybob
Post Number: 367
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 10:10 pm: | |
Bill,
I have actually cracked baum tools and returned them. I seem to make better ones in my garage and don't even know what I am doing. Verrell I just have simple tools and a milling machine so I can grind just about naything. However, I just used a sawzall to cut the tabs that fit the cutouts in the ring nut. I welded thes to the inside diameter of a bearing race. Slap a pice a steel on this to form a base to weld the 1'2 socket on to. I also use impact tools on these home made tools. Much more wack than a wrench so Bill try hardening in kasdenit and oil. I use that hardening procedure when I heat and bend a wrench to get at a nut in a bad place too. I keep a stash of cheap POS 13mm wrenches to cut and burn as needed. |
Bill Sebestyen (Bill308)
Member
Username: Bill308
Post Number: 539
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 3:40 pm: | |
Lou,
I have a Baum tool for the rear axle ring nuts. Email me and we'll work something out.
I spent the better part of a day modifying a socket to R&R the ring nut but in end broke the socket during retorquing. For me, it just wasn't worth it. |
Verell Boaen (Verell)
Intermediate Member
Username: Verell
Post Number: 1153
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 7:53 am: | |
Fatbillybob,
Why not just weld the cutout plate directy to the 1/2" socket?
BTW, what do you use to cut the fingered opening in the 1/4" plate?
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billy bob (Fatbillybob)
Member
Username: Fatbillybob
Post Number: 361
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 9:33 pm: | |
Make it lou. I have several times. use 1/4 plate to cut the fingers and weld it to a bearing race of close size. Then weld a 1/8" plate to the bearing for a flat surface to weld any 1/2" drive socket to it. There you gotta tool. Heat the tool red hot with a mapp gas torch and roll it in Kasdenit (a carbon imparting product for hardening tools) then heat red hot again and quench in motor oil. It is down dirty and cheap and works. |
lou staller (Lou_staller)
Junior Member
Username: Lou_staller
Post Number: 64
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 2:22 pm: | |
I called Baum and they quoted $113.13 plus shipping for the ring nut tool. I only need to use it once to take the hub apart and again to assemble it. Does someone out there have one I can borrow or rent? Or, do you think it's something I can make from a piece of pipe of the correct diameter or a socket and notch out some material so I leave the necessary fingers? Like the tool someone fabricated for steering wheel removal? I need the $$ for other parts! |
Verell Boaen (Verell)
Intermediate Member
Username: Verell
Post Number: 1151
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2003 - 10:16 pm: | |
You need a special ring nut tool, available from
www.baumtools.com
I believe it's this one, but check the FSM:
AXLE NUT SOCKET-44mm Tool # FR106
Unfortunately It's one of the few ring nut sockets I DON'T have or I'd offer to loan it to you.
Don't try a drift. Those nuts take a lot of torque and don't break loose easily. An idiot who claims to be a foreign car mechanic, drifted the much smaller ring nuts on my timing gear with an air punch on & off. Broke 2 sections off of one nut & 1 section off of the other. Discovered this when a timing bearing failed a couple of years later(Hmm, could there be a causual relationship?)I was darned lucky that enough of the ring sections were left for the proper tool to get them off.
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lou staller (Lou_staller)
Junior Member
Username: Lou_staller
Post Number: 62
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2003 - 9:55 pm: | |
I'm at the point on my '84 308 QV where I'm disassembling the rear hubs. Is there any trick to remove the 'ring nut' that holds the flange to the rear hub shaft? Do I need a special tool or can I loosen it with a drift and hammer? If so is it standard thread or reverse? (Right to loosen, left to tighten?) Anything else I need to be aware of as I tear into this?
Any help is really appreciated. Thanks... |