| Author | Message | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 2124 Registered: 5-2001 |
Russ, If you compare the fittings on each end, we look to have the same thing, which is comforting that these ought to fit! :-) | ||
| Russ Turner (Snj5)
Member Username: Snj5 Post Number: 639 Registered: 2-2003 |
For comparison, here is the set I got from Auto-Spa racing in New York for (hopefully) a Mondial 3.2. The red banded ones are marked for the front:  | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 2115 Registered: 5-2001 |
Jack, Thanks for the "heads up", these are for a 328, so not sure what difference may exist in the lengths, (likely the same). Also, these as you can see, were manufactured in August of this year, so maybe they are now of the correct length? One can hope... :-) | ||
| Jack B. (Jax8308)
New member Username: Jax8308 Post Number: 3 Registered: 9-2003 |
Be careful here. I ordered and installed a set of the GDRSFE0200-4P Goodridge lines. These are for a 308 GTB/GTS. The fittings are correct, however the rear lines are 2 inches to long. These have the fitting with the nut style shown in the picture below. After speaking with Goodridge USA, it seems they have an updated kit with the correct rear lines. The part # is 27001. The ones from Demon Tweeks will work, but you will have to be careful routing the rear lines so they don't come in contact with the A-Arms or Emergency Brake cable. By the way, it is pretty difficult to get a wrench in between the chassis to get to the inner nut and hard line assembly. I had planned to do just the brake lines, but when I realized how tight the fit was, I just decided to replace my A-Arm bushings which needed it anyway. With the A-Arms out of the way, it was pretty easy to get to the inner nuts and lines. | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 2112 Registered: 5-2001 |
Randle, I have not installed these yet... | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 880 Registered: 4-2002 |
Photo of 1985 Euro 308GTS with Goodridge G-STOP Brakeline Kit (Part Number G49001.4) . This is the driver's rear brake line.  Not sure if this helps, but who knows??? Enjoy the Drive, Steven R. Rochlin | ||
| Randle Roberts (Racerboy9)
New member Username: Racerboy9 Post Number: 27 Registered: 2-2003 |
Dave, Are those nuts on the ends? I just ordered a set for my 246 and then found the post that said they were held on with a clip and not the original lock nut. At first blush, are you happy with them? Randle | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 2104 Registered: 5-2001 |
Here's what the line look like, out of the package:  | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 2103 Registered: 5-2001 |
Here's the kit I got three months ago from www.demon-tweeks.com no plastic sheath on the outside, but not really needed on a car application. I know they do this on bike to protect the paint on the front fenders. If it concerns you, you can get spiral plastic wrap made for this purpose at motorcycle speed shops. So does anyone know by looking, if these fittings look correct?     | ||
| Ron R (Ronr)
Junior Member Username: Ronr Post Number: 238 Registered: 10-2002 |
Mike, Goodridge,and a lot of the brakeline manufacturers make these kits for motorcycles. Many of them now come with the clear (or colored) tubing over the braided lines to protect your vehicle from rubbage. Do you know if the Orme Brothers' lines come with the tubing installed? | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 2098 Registered: 5-2001 |
Well if it would help on the 328/3.2 Mondial question, I could post close-up jpegs of the Goodridge line end fittings I have, and someone could maybe tell if these look correct? Let me know.... | ||
| Mike Procopio (Pupz308)
Member Username: Pupz308 Post Number: 588 Registered: 10-2002 |
I just spoke with Johnny at Orme Brothers. As Mike Charness suggested, Johnny now has the correct fittings in stock. Johnny said, if they don't work out, send 'em back. He's sending them out tomorrow. One note, Orme Bros is a US distributor for goodridge. Johnny makes the lines from Goodridge components. Orme Bros is Johnny, his brother, and his dad. They're based out of LA. He also mentioned and was explicitly clear that these components and lines are DOT approved. I'll get them early next week, and try to have them on next weekend. I'll be doing this myself; I've replaced the calipers, and the line replacement doesn't look that hard... We'll see. | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 2095 Registered: 5-2001 |
Mike, Until the questions are answered, that may be the safer bet right now.... | ||
| Mike Procopio (Pupz308)
Member Username: Pupz308 Post Number: 587 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hmm... I'm in fact tempted to go with the Orme Brothers solution that Mike Charness has used. His car is a US Spec car and his lines went on without issue... Again, there seems to be some custom assembly involved in these lines as opposed to getting them out of a package, which may be important if the direct part from Demon Tweeks doesn't hook up right. --Mike | ||
| Craig Dewey (Craigfl)
Member Username: Craigfl Post Number: 708 Registered: 1-2001 |
Actually DOT(US) is the regulatory, government agency while SAE, DIN (from the 70s and 80s) are the Standards organizations. SAE and DIN (now probably more JIS) define the standards for the hydraulic fittings and best practices for mounting items on the cars that may affect the compatibility between "Euro" and US brake lines. DOT may say that SS braided lines are not to be used on the street but the Standards organizations would define how they are made. One of the worries about braided lines that I remember from years ago was that most were made with removable fittings and therefore considered unreliable. Now, most lines are custom and the ends crimped or swaged on. | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Intermediate Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 1230 Registered: 4-2002 |
"Possibly different standards for Europe(DIN) and US (SAE) dictate the difference." Its DOT not SAE; but I thought steel braided teflon lines were not road legal per some obscure DOT regulation. | ||
| Craig Dewey (Craigfl)
Member Username: Craigfl Post Number: 707 Registered: 1-2001 |
"One has to wonder, why would Ferrari put different brake fittings on their euro vrs U.S. 308's? Aren't the same calipers used on both cars? " Possibly different standards for Europe(DIN) and US (SAE) dictate the difference. | ||
| JPM (John_308qv)
Junior Member Username: John_308qv Post Number: 148 Registered: 4-2001 |
Thanks Mike. One has to wonder, why would Ferrari put different brake fittings on their euro vrs U.S. 308's? Aren't the same calipers used on both cars? John | ||
| Mike Procopio (Pupz308)
Member Username: Pupz308 Post Number: 585 Registered: 10-2002 |
I emailed Demon Tweeks, and got this information... Seems to be consistent with their web site. Are there any differences in the braking systems on Euro 308s vs US 308s? Demon Tweeks Email Response Dear Sir, thank you for your enquiry,we can supply a set of brakelines for the Ferrari 308 GTB/GTS which are 48.00 pounds plus carriage.These are listed for European spec cars,so I do not know if they are the same on the US version ? Regards, Steve Kerr. Export Sales. Phone +44 (0) 1978 663012 Fax +44 (0) 870 6005746 E-mail [email protected] When replying to emails, please attach all relative previous correspondance. Demon Tweeks. 75 Ash Road South, Wrexham Industrial Estate, Wrexham. North Wales. LL13 9UG. United Kingdom. ________________________________________________________________________ This message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you have received this message in error please notify [email protected] Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of DT (Automotives) Limited. This communication is for information only and does not form part of any contract or agreement. Whilst precautions have been taken to ensure this message is free from any virus the recipient is requested to use their own virus scanning software. DT (Automotives) Limited can accept no responsibility for any loss or damage. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 2092 Registered: 5-2001 |
Well, I'd love to help and install mine now, but was planning to let my mechanic do it, when I am due for the 45k minor service, which I should hit around spring (at 40k right now)... Dave | ||
| Mike Procopio (Pupz308)
Member Username: Pupz308 Post Number: 582 Registered: 10-2002 |
This seems to suggest that Mike Charness's source might be less of a hassle, since their component-based fabrication of the lines might make for a better fit. I'm surprised that the Goodridge kit--specifically designed for 308--is not plug and play... | ||
| JPM (John_308qv)
Junior Member Username: John_308qv Post Number: 147 Registered: 4-2001 |
This is good information. I was considering performing this upgrade but if it is going to be a hassle, maybe it will be best to take a pass. Has anyone had any success with the Goodridge kit? | ||
| Bob Briley (Bob_briley)
New member Username: Bob_briley Post Number: 18 Registered: 5-2003 |
I installed the 308 Goodridge kit about a year ago. I purchased it from The Tirerack. The mounting of the lines to the brackets was by clip and not the original equipment threaded fitting with a nut. The problem that I had was that the metal tubing flare (ISO style) on the car did not match the countersunk mating feature on the Goodridge fittings. The first fitting I tightened up did not seat. The fitting on the metal line was bottomed into the Goodridge line, but it wasn't pinching the flare. I compared the old ATE line to the Goodridge and I could clearly see that the countersunk mating area for the flare of the Goodridge line had a different included angle than the original ATE lines. I called tech support and after a couple of days of not getting anything from them, went ahead and bent new lines, 8 total (four S-bends on the calipers and four long lines to the tee's). It was a complete hassle. The S-bends are not very forgiving and the ISO flare is not as friendly as the standard flare. I should have bought original ATE lines. | ||
| Mike Procopio (Pupz308)
Member Username: Pupz308 Post Number: 581 Registered: 10-2002 |
Yep. Demon Tweeks is definitely a distributor of the packaged Goodridge kits. Here is what I found for 308s: http://www.demon-tweeks.com/catalogue/product_detail.asp?GRP=RP044&PGRP=R004&CLS=ROAD&from=search&pcode=GDRSFE0200-4P&app=Y 308 GTB/GTS p/n: GDRSFE0200-4P 328 p/n: GDRSFE0100-4P 308 GT4 p/n: GDRSFE0300-4P All are listed on their website for $72.41. They all seem to be available "within 10 days" (not in stock apparently). According to their site, the total is $97.12 w/ UPS Express shipping. Now the question is, how do you get these puppies on? They seem to have kits for | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Intermediate Member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 1136 Registered: 8-2002 |
Steven, FYI, if you follow the thread and previous thread it references, you'll see that TireRack no longer carries those, thus the need for other sources. | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 867 Registered: 4-2002 |
JUST saw this thread... The previous owner, Jeff Edison, installed Goodridge G-STOP Brakeline Kit (Part Number G49001.4) from www.tirerack.com on the 308 here. These are "race-bred" stainless braided lines with PTFE center and rated up to 24 ft/lbs. Cost was $120 in December of 2002. Hope this helps. Enjoy the Drive, Steven R. Rochlin | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Intermediate Member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 1134 Registered: 8-2002 |
The 308 set is different than the 328 set, but cost is about the same. Mike P, thanks for putting in the link to my old thread. The Goodridge lines I got from Orme were simple plug-and-play, direct replacement. | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 2090 Registered: 5-2001 |
Mike, These are Goodridge brake lines, spec made for each application. They are the flexible stainless braded lines, just like Mike's, only these are actually made by Goodridge, not another company using Goodridge components. Order from www.demon-tweek.com, will take about two weeks for delivery from the UK. Cost for 328 was less than $100 with shipping and duty. 308? I don't know, but should be similar. Sorry if my post was not clearer, but I have been posting on a couple different threads on this, so missed some info apparently on this thread. Dave | ||
| Mike Procopio (Pupz308)
Member Username: Pupz308 Post Number: 577 Registered: 10-2002 |
Dave, will these UK brake line jobs work on 308s? I DO know that the calipers are not the same... Which means the hard lines might not be the same... mounting points different... lengths different... etc. I would be hesitant, unless other people have done this to 308s. That said, Mike Charness--who owns a really extraordinary 308--ordered lines from Orme Brothers, Inc. www.ormebros.com Here is Mike's excellent thread: http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/256120/276286.html I'm a step away from doing these. Mike's contact at Orme was Johnny. --Mike P. | ||
| Russ Turner (Snj5)
Member Username: Snj5 Post Number: 621 Registered: 2-2003 |
I have a set from a couple of years ago from Auto-Spa racing that I did not install before I went to Japan. They are the braided hose with a clear plastic cover, not sure if Goodrich or not. Any tricks to installing these on an ABS car before I launch into this? thanks | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 2088 Registered: 5-2001 |
Dave, The amazing thing is you can get them directly from the UK for less than $100 now, with shipping and duties! www.demon-tweeks.com | ||
| Dave (Dave)
Member Username: Dave Post Number: 619 Registered: 4-2001 |
wow, a grand for hoses... I got my Goodridge hoses from tirerack for around $125 with shipping if memory serves, but I don't think they still carry them for the 308. | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 1742 Registered: 4-2002 |
The PO of my car paid FoS $1000 for 4 new SS hoses........... Oh, and yes, the pedal is rock hard. | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 2085 Registered: 5-2001 |
JPM, I have not installed the lines yet. They should bolt right up, as the package specifically states this set is specifically built for the 328 GTB/GTS. My thought was that after 16-17 years, it was time enough to replace the old rubber lines, and why not upgrade to the stainless ones? Have heard good things, that pedal feel is greatly improved. The warranty from Goodridge is "forever", at least that is what the warranty card says. | ||
| Mike Procopio (Pupz308)
Member Username: Pupz308 Post Number: 575 Registered: 10-2002 |
Mike Charness has also done this, and had good luck with them... Forget his source--I've got it documented at home. A search should pull it up. I certainly haven't heard about brake lines about failure. ...and it certainly doesn't make sense to put ANYthing on these cars that is higher maintenance than what was on there in the first place, right? Any more luck finding failure/maintenance issues with these brake lines? | ||
| JPM (John_308qv)
Junior Member Username: John_308qv Post Number: 146 Registered: 4-2001 |
That should be modification. Man, I need a spell checker. | ||
| JPM (John_308qv)
Junior Member Username: John_308qv Post Number: 145 Registered: 4-2001 |
Dave, Was the Goodridge Brakeline kit a direct fit-up or was some modificatin required? John | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 2069 Registered: 5-2001 |
Not heard of this either. Here is a great source at super prices (less than $100 delivered for my 328 GTS) : www.demon-tweeks.com I have heard that the outer stainless steel sheath can abrade on neighboring surfaces, so it can be helpful to wind a plastic covering on the outside. Motorcycle shops sell this, as bikers like to protect their fancy paint jobs.... | ||
| Dave (Dave)
Member Username: Dave Post Number: 615 Registered: 4-2001 |
I have not had a problem with them. | ||
| Russ Turner (Snj5)
Member Username: Snj5 Post Number: 611 Registered: 2-2003 |
After doing an archive search on I could not find any disadvantages listed for these braided teflon lines. I had heard from others that they require more frequent inspection and are more prone to fail than the normal lines. Anyone with experiance on this? thanks rt |