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philip capner (Philjay)
New member
Username: Philjay
Post Number: 13
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 1:50 am: | |
The oil I eventualy use was Castrol SAF-XJ SAE 75w-140 Hypoid. API=GL5. Density=.86. Viscosity @40c = 177 Viscocity @100c=25. Pour Point c= -54
Flash = 180c.
The oil was developed, I understand for high performance Japanesse cars fitted with LSD but also for Bmer M3's.
For me it works perfectly. Like you I had just bought the car and had the gear change problem, it got to a point that I did not enjoy driving the car and thought about selling it.
Hope you get it sorted. Enjoy the car. |
Alan Butler (Alanmondial)
New member
Username: Alanmondial
Post Number: 2
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 4:32 am: | |
Hi everyone,
thanks very much for all the good advice. I think I'll start with the gearbox oil change. Philip, if you could let me know what oil you used I'd be very grateful. |
Adnaan Rasool (Adnaan)
Junior Member
Username: Adnaan
Post Number: 123
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 7:11 am: | |
Alan
Congrats with the mondial. Im looking at a couple at the moment, so might be a proud owner of one soon too. I remember seeing the car you have advertised, and i think i spoke to the owner some months back. Im looking for a QV so i didnt go to see the car. I'd be interested in how much you paid - send me an email if you dont want to say here.
The problem you mention sounds unusual. The problem usually gets better as the car heats up. I would do as others have suggested, especially changing the gearbox oil. May solve your problem, or else get a reputable specialist to have a look/drive.
Good luck with the car, and let us know how it goes. |
philip capner (Philjay)
New member
Username: Philjay
Post Number: 11
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 27, 2003 - 6:01 am: | |
I have an 84 QV and had a similar experience, although the change did inprove when it got warmed up the gear change was vvvvvvvvery stiff and at times almost impossible. i agree with Dave get the oil changed in the box. It transformed the car. I am at work at the moment, but I will check the oil I used and let you know the make and grade, I did alot of research on the subject before doing the change. |
MICHAEL MORETT (Thecarreaper)
New member
Username: Thecarreaper
Post Number: 46
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 27, 2003 - 3:59 am: | |
i agree with Verell, and would like to add it sounds to me like a warped pressure plate, if the fingers on the plate are not contacting evenly it will cause some binding.also the gearshift and clutch pedal with have a tendancy to vibrate or pulse slightly if the pressure plate is bad. if the fluid has not been changed then it would be a good start but it sounds like a shop or qualified tech should at least look at the clutch and pressure plate so you can fix it before it damages the flywheel or a syncro. congrats on the 8 by the way i will know in the next week or so if this one i am looking at is going to be mine or not. i may wait for the "right" 308. |
Verell Boaen (Verell)
Intermediate Member
Username: Verell
Post Number: 1316
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 11:13 pm: | |
Hmm,
This sounds familiar. Check your clutch adjustment. If the clutch isn't fully releasing,
the trans main shaft will continue spinning at the engine's speed, & the synchros won't be able to get a speed match.
When the transmission's oil is cold & highly viscous it puts more drag on the main shaft and is able to overcome the clutch.
I've heard of this problem making it almost impossible to get a 308 into reverse, but it could apply to most gears.
This test might work:
Run in 1st until the engine's revs are well above idle. Depress the clutch & take your foot off of the accelerator. Wait a couple of seconds until the engine speed has dropped then try to shift from 1st to 2nd. If you make a few tries & several of them go very smoothly, then the clutch release is most likely the problem.
If you've verified that the clutch is releasing & is properly adjusted, then the trans linkage may be just on the edge of being out of adjustment. When things warm up, something expands just enough so that the linkage is trying to actuate more than one shift fork at a time.
A shift fork can be worn so much that it isn't releasing or engageing a gear.
Those are about the only things that come to mind that might produce the described symptom. |
JP Lavigne (Jpl)
Junior Member
Username: Jpl
Post Number: 99
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 12:59 pm: | |
This may be the first signs of a second gear synchro needing replacement. This is a very expensice process, so get it checked at the dealer. It could be something else, but I went through this 2 years ago and for 1 season I drove without 2nd gear. However with my issues it was tough to use 2nd hot or cold. |
dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member
Username: Davehanda
Post Number: 2142
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 12:55 pm: | |
Alan,
That does not sound good. For starters, I would have the gearbox fluid changed. |
Jay S. Morris (J_saber)
Junior Member
Username: J_saber
Post Number: 107
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 9:58 am: | |
Hello Alan,
Congrats on your new f-car and welcome to the chat! I myself own a Mondial 8 and I love it! Truthfully, I would have to agree with Norm. My Mondial shifts much better hot than cold. You may wanna' get it looked at because as Norm said this is normally the case and I have also not heard of the reverse.
Have fun and drive Ferrari |
Norm (32storm)
Junior Member
Username: 32storm
Post Number: 81
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 9:36 am: | |
I have an '84 Mondial Cab. I have just the opposite. Initially, when cold, it is stiff shifting from 1st to 2nd. After a few minutes of running, will shift 1st to 2nd as smooth as silk. This is not unusual, I have experienced this driving other Ferrari's, and have heard of this from other Ferrari owners. But, I haven't heard of, or experienced what you are describing. |
Alan Butler (Alanmondial)
New member
Username: Alanmondial
Post Number: 1
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 8:55 am: | |
I recently purchased a lovely Mondial 8 in Nero. It has covered a little over 28,000 kilometres and is the realisation of a life long ambition to own a Ferrari. Being new to the world of Ferrari ownership I unfortunately have nothing to compare to and I'm not sure if some of my experiences of my car are typical of the model or peculiar to my car.
For instance, I find that as I'm driving the car after about twenty minutes or so (or as the car becomes hotter) the gear change becomes more reluctant with quite some pressure required to engage first and second gear. This happens mainly during city driving and may be a result of all of the stopping and starting that comes with city driving. Does anyone else experience this with their car?
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