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Philip Airey (Pma1010)
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Username: Pma1010
Post Number: 501
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 8:31 pm: | |
Got it, thanks Gianluca, everyone for help |
Gianluca Chegai (Gianluca)
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Username: Gianluca
Post Number: 31
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 6:04 pm: | |
Phil, when I did it, I removed the whole thing out of the car: the cable was removed from the window.
The reason I HAD to do this is that the cable was so messed up from previous work that it was impossible to rewind and install.
Since I had just re-done the driver side and found it to be a bit of a pain, my post was mostly to suggest to replace the cables with the motor/gear assembly out. That made the job very easy or at least easier than my driver side.
About the windings on the spool, it does not matter how many times one cable goes on the spool versus the other as long as all the grooves are used. Once you reinstall it, you just wind it one way or the other with the window switch. Remember that the window is not attached. Once everything is nice and smooth, just position the window (and the cable on the spool) all the way up or down (but, of course, tease the cable back a bit; say you went all the way up with the window and the cable, just push the cable back down a bit. You can make marks too to see the total travel of the cable) and re-attach the cables. You will not be able probably, to get to both window clamp nut in one window position; just mark the cable and position it midway (with the window) and clamp away.
Since you are not dealing with the position of the windows and the new cable is nice and limp, it will be super quick route the cable back on the pulleys in the door. If is too short or long it will be apparent immediately. (worst case you must take it apart again but at this stage you would be able to do it with your eyes closed. 5 minutes max).
With the old cable still attached to the windows, wrestling trough the speaker hole, cable stiff, maybe kinked, I found the re assembly part to be difficult and frustrating.
Just my opinion but for me, the completely out of the car approach (with new cables, if needed), would be the best way.
I should have taken pictures and write a step-by-step post.
Gianluca |
David Ariola (Dariola)
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Username: Dariola
Post Number: 2
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 1:13 pm: | |
i just paid LFSC $1000 to fix my 308 window motor. definitely worth the time to do it yourself. |
Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
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Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 1776
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 11:57 am: | |
Hopefully that was the thread that I was thinking about. Someone posted photos of the proceedure. |
Philip Airey (Pma1010)
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Username: Pma1010
Post Number: 496
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 11:18 am: | |
I have now been more comprehensive in my search reviewing all the posts to the threads produced by "window cable pulley".
One point is not entirely clear. When replacing the spool, Gianluca's post of August 22 2003 identifies winding the cable on the pulley so that all cable slots on the pully are filled without overlap. I assume this would correspond to the window being in either the fully up position or the fully down position (depending on which way the window cable has been wound).
Thanks for the prompt to be more thorough, Hans, indeed there were a couple of good posts my prior search had not identified. |
Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
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Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 1767
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 10:59 pm: | |
No, No, No. There is a VERY detailed thread here somewhere. Explains in detail how to do this. There is a method of swaging a new "ball" (for lack of better work) on the end of the cable. And there is very specific instructions for winding the cable.
Do a search. It's all there, and much easier than most suppose. |
Jay Grande (Jay)
Intermediate Member
Username: Jay
Post Number: 1573
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 10:08 pm: | |
I got so frustrated I just ordered a new one, now I don't have to worry about it for another 30 years LOL |
Philip Airey (Pma1010)
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Username: Pma1010
Post Number: 494
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 10:05 pm: | |
Thanks for all the thoughts. I played with the circlip, ball bearings and after quite a bit of x-rated language I resorted to some gentle enlarging of the holes in the spool. From this I was able to thread a new cable in the existing slots and tie and solder the cable ends. Hopefully it will all hold or I'll have the "fun" of doing this again. |
Gianluca Chegai (Gianluca)
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Username: Gianluca
Post Number: 29
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 8:25 pm: | |
Philip,
Jay is correct about the C-clip. I do not remember if I took it out. Probably i did. That, however, is not the snag: either you do not need to take it out or, even after is out, the shaft will be stuck. The secrect is in the ball(s)...
Press the ball and slide it out or have the balls to press it out.
Gianluca |
Gianluca Chegai (Gianluca)
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Username: Gianluca
Post Number: 28
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 8:15 pm: | |
Philip,
I have done this a few month ago and have posted instructions on cable replacement. You have to search for it or, maybe, someone more organized than me will lead you to it.
About the pulley, it is NOT a press fit. I do not remember (and I mentioned in the post) exactly how it comes out (I did press it out without damage, however) but I think I remember that there is a small ball inside the shaft itself (on the wall of the shaft) and a gentle push will make the shaft slide out without ANY force at all.
I had a hell of a time with the pulley at first. Once I pressed out (and the little ball with spring came out) I realized how idiotic the whole thing was. After that I could take the thing out in about 3 seconds.
I apologize I do not remember any better, but I am pretty sure this is the procedure.
I am positive, however, that the whole trick is inside the shaft. Maybe hard to see at first but it is in there.
Pressing the shaft will force the ball out of the groove without damage (at least for me) but it is unnecessary. This was the hardest part of the whole job (and in fact should have been very easy).
In my previous thread, I detailed everything else about cable replacement.
Let us know how it works out and best of luck,
Gianluca
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Jay Grande (Jay)
Intermediate Member
Username: Jay
Post Number: 1572
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 6:42 pm: | |
Philip, I tried this with mine and ended up just buying a whole new motor with cable assembly. The pulley is held on by a c-clip, look closely, I missed it the first time.
The new cable has to be threaded through the pulley and then crimped on the end so it doesn't come out. I drilled a hole into a piece of wood and then melted solder into it. Before it cooled I placed the end of the cable into the hot solder until it cooled. Then pulled the cable with a glob of solder out of the hole and shaped it to a ball on a grinder. Someone else may have a better way to get an original looking end on the cable, but this was the only thing that had any kind of strength...at least when I tried. |
Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member
Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 1765
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 5:55 pm: | |
I've seen this covered here. Someone - I'm thinking it was Verell - posted the cable rewind proceedure complete w/photos. If no one responds with the link, I should have it at home, as I printed it out. |
Philip Airey (Pma1010)
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Username: Pma1010
Post Number: 493
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 5:02 pm: | |
Anyone done this on their 308? I have searched the archives and do not see this topic covered.
I have the window motor, gear and associated pulley and cable (which snapped) out of the car and on the bench. A few quick screws and the combined pulley/gear/cable mech comes out of the housing (motor). Looks like the pulley is a press fit on the shaft. I have tried gentle taps with a mallet with no success after a good dose of PB Blaster. Next step is a vice and try to press it out. Anyone been there, done this? Problem is the routing of the cable on the pulley - looks like you have to detach the pulley from the gear in order to thread new cable.
GT/dealer/Maranello all want to sell the complete mech = cable, pulley, gear, window motor for $375 - 500 (depending on who you ask).
Any help appreciated. |