| Author | Message | ||
| Jeffrey Wolfe (86mondial32)
Member Username: 86mondial32 Post Number: 465 Registered: 5-2003 |
James you are wrong.. France would ahve lost it's interests with the overthrow of Saddam. That would have happened anyway. | ||
| James Lee (Aventino)
Junior Member Username: Aventino Post Number: 65 Registered: 6-2003 |
But you make no sense. Can't you see that. I read your paragraph again and it still makes no sense. You take the worst crime out of the equation in order to make the statistics improve for the US. If you took murder, assault and drug related crimes out the equation Bogota would start looking good. And now you say the occupation of Iraq and loss of French interests was on par with the occupation of France? Unbelievable. The two are miles apart. France wouldn't have lost it's interests in Iraq if the US hadn't attacked. And the US attacked without the support of the UN. The US lost the vote, France voted how it wanted to. That is how democracy works. You don't say, "well screw them I'm wading in anyway" and then sit on this forum and bemoan the fact that they didn't vote the way you wanted them to. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2755 Registered: 1-2002 |
Sorry, James, but you have just proven my point. Please, by all means, keep flailing. By the way, I never supported the invasion of Iraq. Nor did I oppose it. I had mixed feelings, and still do, despie my support of my country and its decisions. That said, France behaved abhorrently, and Germany (and Russia) were not far behind. And I assure you: "And when the US economy need another boost there will be countries opposed to the next invasion too". The invasion did NOT help our economy, although I think it will if/when Iraqi oil begins to flow. As for your claim about "thefy: of French commercial contracts, they are with the Hussein government. They are no longer valid. That is not theft. Same as when the Vichy government took over American interests in France after France's surrender. It's the way thngs are. Lastly, I did not twist anything around regarding crime stats. I actually acknowledged part of your point (how many times to I have to point that out???), but also pointed out the FACT that these countries & circumstances are different. Nor did I say having more police, with machine guns was bad. Just different. And probably effective. I do not appreciate your feeble attempt to misquote me again. If you want to know what I mean, read my words, don't make up your own, OK? | ||
| James Lee (Aventino)
Junior Member Username: Aventino Post Number: 64 Registered: 6-2003 |
Dave, the CIA says no comment and you head off down the conspiracy theory/Elvis is alive/the truth is out there trail. You leap into fact when the paper says what you like and junk it when the reading isn't so good. Call the CIA quote fact while rubbishing them at the end of the paragraph and challenge me to disprove it? And you are missing the point that because other countries didn't want to go to war and voted against the US then they are in the wrong? Now that Bush is backtracking on the rhetoric he spun in the months before how can his actions still be justified? That's the kind of stubborn obstinate thing the French would do. And France has billions to loose from it's oil investments already in Iraq that the US is going to conveniently take over under the US terms of reconstruction. Some would call that theft, you call their objections hurting US interests. Admittedly laud was incorrect in context but those posting here seem to think it was France alond opposed to the US invasion. And when the US military economy needs another boost there will be countries opposed to the next invasion too. Hopefully not Saudi Arabia, where the terrorists and all this misery started. US foreign interests there are way too important. And all you did was twist around the crime stats, to somehow make the violence in the US look good and then tried to say France has what? too many police and that's a bad thing? | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2749 Registered: 1-2002 |
James, I have been to France several times, as I have posted here. Also, as I have posted, love the people, despise the government & its mentality. As for who is being gullible: The CIA said no comment? Doesn't that tell you something? And do you really put 100% of your faith in the same US intelligence bureaucracy on whose watch 9/11 occurred? 'Nuff said. Why should the US give ANY contracts to any country that did not work with us? Please answer that. You seem to imply otherwise, which I hope is not true. And why should we give control to those boobs in the UN who (a) opposed the US and (b) are too stupid, naive, and arrogant to protect their own buildings in Iraq? We fought the war, we control the aftermath. Kinda like WW2, friend. Also, I never lauded Germany. Please reread my post before you misqote me. However, I did point out a crucial difference between Germany's opposition & France's active efforts to hurt US interests. And everything I posted was a FACT., which I challenge you to disprove. As for crime stats, you are right. I was acknowledging part of your point, which you completely missed. But so what? We also have far fewer police than in France...and our cops don't carry machine guns on the streets & airports. Different situations, different outcomes.  | ||
| James Lee (Aventino)
Junior Member Username: Aventino Post Number: 63 Registered: 6-2003 |
Thomas I. Two words Lend Lease If this thread is an American issue then maybe it should be changed to the "Offtopic Americans Only And Don't Argue With Us We Know All" forum. You folks put up a pretty lousy debate. You wanted debate didn't you? | ||
| Jeffrey Wolfe (86mondial32)
Member Username: 86mondial32 Post Number: 462 Registered: 5-2003 |
No offense James... but you are based in Hong Kong and this is an American issue. Are you an American? | ||
| James Lee (Aventino)
Junior Member Username: Aventino Post Number: 62 Registered: 6-2003 |
Folks, your total belief in the US media and the "goodness" of US foreign policy is spooky. Washington Post says: Reports of France providing passports to Iraqis led to an investigation of the matter by the Department of Homeland Security. The probe was requested two weeks ago by Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr., Wisconsin Republican and chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, based on the report in The Times, which quoted U.S. intelligence officials. Raj Bharwani, a spokesman for Mr. Sensenbrenner, said in an interview that the Judiciary Committee was notified Tuesday by the Homeland Security Department that there was "no indication that France supplied passports to Iraqis" fleeing from coalition forces. A Homeland Security official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the investigation involved checking with "our intelligence sources" about the matter. "All of our sources indicated that the allegations were incorrect," the official said. Asked whether the department knew about the French passports found in Iraq, the official referred questions to the CIA. A CIA spokesman had no comment. But a U.S. official said, "We don't have any information on that." The official suggested that if the Iraqis had French passports, the documents may have been forged. "The Iraqis are adept at forging passports," the official said. "but overall crime excluding murder is about the same per 100,000 people" How on earth can you take out murder from crime statistics? A person is dead and that doesn't count? Must be an American thing. When someone I know gets murdered I usually get more upset than if they were pick-pocketed. And bitching on about the French and German reluctance to support an American led UN effort when the Americans have given themselves all the rebuilding contracts and refused a UN led coalition effort. So the other countries get their soldiers shot serving under America in an occupation they didn't want and their national interests don't get a dime out of it. Would you go? Can someone, anyone put up a meaningful debate that doesn't finish with "think about it, if you can" (I can get enough of that from my 9 year old nephew) and please stop twisting facts that laud the Germans while vilifying the French when their foreign policies on the matter were similar. I think you'll find more than a few countries were opposed to the war. They are obviously ashamed of the deaths in the heatwave but in attempting to understand France you might need to visit. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2748 Registered: 1-2002 |
I agree with you, Thomas. The last time France helped us was in the late 1700's, IMO. Nice graphic, BTW... | ||
| Thomas I (Wax)
Junior Member Username: Wax Post Number: 156 Registered: 7-2003 |
"...let's be nice to the French, they may save an American life." 'scuse me - it's the other way around: "Let's be nice to the Americans, they may save France. Again"  | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2746 Registered: 1-2002 |
Fair enough, Art. I respect your opinion. My view? Just ignore them for a year or two. Completely & totally. No slams, no insults, just act like they aren't even there. They will flail & whine & pee all over themselves trying to show how important they are...and they will make total fools of themselves. And the rest of the world will finally realize that they are nothing but a foolish government with small penis syndrome (am I allowed to say _penis_ here??) I think they will eventually run out of steam, and then they will be interested in being our friend again. And that's when they can be useful to us. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 2447 Registered: 6-2001 |
Dave: I certainly don't advocate kissing their butt. I do advocate not ticking it with a hot, sharp impliment. Art | ||
| Jeffrey Wolfe (86mondial32)
Member Username: 86mondial32 Post Number: 458 Registered: 5-2003 |
Dave.. you forget that Art is a Dove that believes that the conflicts we have fought were pointless. He would advocate being nice instead of thinking that it is better America be seen as a power to fear than a nice neighbor. Thank God for Regan, And both the Bush's. More proof that if you drop enough tonnage you can avoid things like the USS Cole and any more attacks. BTW.... seems that we have had ZERO terrorist events on American soil since 911.... why is that? | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2743 Registered: 1-2002 |
Oh, Art, there you go again. Puh-LEEZE! I cannot believe you would seriously advocate us kissing the arses of the same French pricks who actively tried to harm US interests by giving intel, and EU passports, to Hussein's regime. I have to believe that you threw that out there just to be provocative--you are too intelligent for anything else. Please, tell me I am right! France deserves NOTHING from us. Nothing.  | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 2440 Registered: 6-2001 |
This is just amazing! We have our troops over in Iraq, and we're attempting to get either NATO or the UN to provide some peacekeepers. The French are allegedly one of our allies, and indeed have the power to ensure that we get neither. Keep on insulting them, keep on making degroatory statements about them, and I suspect that if we do this as a country, they'll keep on making sure that we don't get the relief we need, and that our young boys continue to die. I don't know how we got here, but I suspect it's due to the urban cowboys in the White House. They generally shoot before they think. It's like the old truism: be nice to your kids, they select your rest home. In instance, let's be nice to the French, they may save an American life. Art | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2734 Registered: 1-2002 |
Randall, France has lower murder rates per 100,000 people than the US, but overall crime excluding murder is about the same per 100,000 people. You are right about life expectancy, though. They have a better diet including lots of wine, which helps prevent heart disease, and also their genetic makeup favors longer lives than our meltingpot does. I think you will also find that Costa Ricans live longer than Americans...but they typically don't allow 10,000+++ of their citizens to die in a heat wave...  | ||
| Randall (Randall)
Member Username: Randall Post Number: 637 Registered: 1-2003 |
With all these French dieing maybe it will cause their life expectancy rates to drop lower than ours. It's wierd that such a terrible "third world" country would have lower crime and longer lifespans than the US. | ||
| Ronald C. Steinhoff (Buylowsellnever)
Junior Member Username: Buylowsellnever Post Number: 95 Registered: 9-2002 |
Oh well, at least we have Simulacra and Simulation. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2723 Registered: 1-2002 |
James Lee wrote: "The Lybians are paying out $2.7 billion to the 270 lockerbie victims but only $59.12 million to the 170 UTA bombing victims. So those on Pan Am were worth 28 times those on the French UTA aircraft. Your State Dept sees nothing wrong with the disparity and criticises the French for meddling in their settlement." Well, no shiite, Sherlock! The Quai d'Orsay buffoons are pathetic negotiators. Why should the US State Department give a rat's arse about the crappy deal the French worked out, after all the crap France has pulled on the US in the last year? And why should the US allow France, ONCE AGAIN, to puff up its Small D!ck Syndrome even further by using its veto power to scuttle our deal with Qadaffi Duck? Give it some thought, James, if you can.    | ||
| John Do'h (Combover)
New member Username: Combover Post Number: 17 Registered: 8-2003 |
James Lee: HUH? Here's part of the article: "While many opposition leaders have criticized the center-right government for an allegedly slow response to the crisis, newspapers and editorial writers faulted French citizens in general. 'These forgotten dead,' wrote daily France-Soir in a front-page headline Monday. Under the headline 'French Barbarity,' Renaud Girard, an editorialist for Le Figaro newspaper, wrote: 'It's not up to the Father State to take care of our elderly. It's up to us.'" | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2414 Registered: 10-2002 |
James Lee You can think anything you want but thinking that Ford built the GT40 for any reason but to beat Ferrari is no more accurate than those who think the holacost didn't happen. | ||
| James Lee (Aventino)
Junior Member Username: Aventino Post Number: 61 Registered: 6-2003 |
But French people aren't equal to American people. The Lybians are paying out $2.7 billion to the 270 lockerbie victims but only $59.12 million to the 170 UTA bombing victims. So those on Pan Am were worth 28 times those on the French UTA aircraft. Your State Dept sees nothing wrong with the disparity and criticises the French for meddling in their settlement. Therefore one couild say 10000 French are only worth the equivalent of 357 Americans. The heatwave doesn't seem quite so bad now and in a pretty sad and pathetic way (unless the compensation changes) the US has got one over on the French. James G. I still say they built it to win Le Mans. And Jon P. before you give the French too much grief about Iraq I suggest you read Bernard B. Fall's "Streets Without Joy" or "Hell In A Very Small Place" The US stood by in IndoChina when they were asked to help and the French paid a heavy price. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2413 Registered: 10-2002 |
Very sad... http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A41515-2003Aug25?language=printer | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2411 Registered: 10-2002 |
James Lee You're right about the heatwave affecting all of Europe. That's the point. 10,000 people died in France, WAY more than ANYWHERE else. The people who allowed their elder relatives to cook are barbarians. Ford built the GT40 to beat Ferrari. (Period) | ||
| Ryan Alexander (Ryalex)
New member Username: Ryalex Post Number: 47 Registered: 8-2003 |
I'm not going to say the whole country of France is one thing or another, but it is a horrible shame for the families and friends of those people who died that they didn't care enough to look out for their own. If person who had died from neglect like that were a family member, church member, civic group member or neighbor of mine I would be dreadfully ashamed. Someone mentioned boycotting Germany as well, but although they didn't support Operation Iraqi Freedom in Iraq, they did manage supply lines in Kuwait and guarded the Kuwaiti front. Or so I recall reading. In Iraq or no, there were plenty of German troops down there though. | ||
| James Lee (Aventino)
Junior Member Username: Aventino Post Number: 58 Registered: 6-2003 |
Ok, one at a time. Jon P. The Swastikas in the clothing store were taken down and hopefully that has been cleared up with apologies. Many in Hong Kong didn't actually know much about the Nazi's because they have the Japanese invasion (Rape of Nanking etc.) and 4000 years of chinese history to learn about at school which doesn't leave time for much else. And last time I looked, the arian brotherhood wasn't too big in asia so for all the rhetoric, a bunch of flags and banners doesn't come close to the terrible perpetuation of Nazism that goes on in the USA. That's what a repressive regime Vs free speech gets you. But I'd take free speech with it's faults anyday. Dave, your arguement is that because the US says Iraq should have democracy then they have to have it because it's best for them and America knows best. What if that isn't how they want (or need to be) governed? "a recent history of representative democracy" misses the point that they haven't had it for a thousand years, if ever. You're not trying to restore something that was toppled by a military coup 20 years ago....... So no, my viewpoint was no more condescending than that of the US government trying to ram democracy down their throats. If they understood democracy they would have embraced it by now instead of still killing coalition soldiers. Is anyone boycotting Japanese too? Atrocities are atrocities, sixty years ago feels like yesterday. Just ask anyone who went through it. James G, the heatwave didn't stop at any borders, limeys and krauts died as well. What's it got to do with motorsport? The very obstinate stubborn arrogant nature of the French that many so dislike is why Le Mans continued after the crash in the stands. Ford didn't build a GT for Daytona. | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 333 Registered: 9-2002 |
Guys, I think its fair to say that every "civilised" country can make up a good reason to boycott another country (although it is hard at times not to dislike some of the french attitude), Why not lead by taking the moral high ground, which in this case the US seem to be correct, but by doing so the US better be squeaky clean in future, ie no giving guns to crack pot dictators, no supporting terrorists, and no invading countries unless there is HARD evidince of wrong doing. oh and when the contracts are handed out to companies to re-build Iraq make sure that all the coalition countrys get their fair share. As for the 5,000 french deaths, tragic and wastefull, it doesnt matter who you are and where you come from this really isnt a joking matter, how would YOU like somebody laughing about 5,000 californians killed in an earthquake? (unless they all drove electric cars, and ate tofu !!!) | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2706 Registered: 1-2002 |
Ah, I love the smell of hypocrisy in the afternoon...  | ||
| Randall (Randall)
Member Username: Randall Post Number: 636 Registered: 1-2003 |
nope, I don't avoid it at all. I also don't avoid wasting fuel, which supports terrorism. It's all about job security. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2702 Registered: 1-2002 |
Randall, I don't. I consciously avoid buying ANYTHING that says Made in China, and have for 20 years. Not hard to do. Sometimes it costs more, but not hard to do. How 'bout you, Randall?  | ||
| Randall (Randall)
Member Username: Randall Post Number: 633 Registered: 1-2003 |
"But then again, you live in communist China, arguably the most repressive regime on earth." If they are so terrible, then why do you help support their economy? | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2699 Registered: 1-2002 |
James Lee, you are partially right about also avoinding German goods. Partly. What you miss is that, unlike France, Germany did NOT actively work to hurt the US by issuing passports to Hussein's family to get them out of the country, bribing other 3rd world UN members to get them to vote AGAINST the US, give Iraq intel about coalition troop movements,...shall I go on? And your condescending view that, because Iraq does not have a recent history of representative democracy, they do not deserve the chance at it is reprehensible at best. But then again, you live in communist China, arguably the most repressive regime on earth. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2407 Registered: 10-2002 |
James Lee The Filliponis that you see hanging on sunday in front of the bank designed by Norman as you well know are VERY suportive of their elders. There is a wonderfull friendy family feeling as you pass by. Leaving Grannie to cook while you vacation at the shore is wrong. Civilised people do not treat their elders that way. What the fu ck does car racing have to do with this? This is about ABUSE. Allowing your parents to die because you're a selfish as shole is sad. Condeming that behavior is not. | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 938 Registered: 8-2001 |
James, A much hyped book written by a non partial Jew? Do you think the fact that both the author's parents were concentration camp survivors had anything to do to with it?? OR that the books release coincided with a class action lawsuit in New York District Court the same week seeking compensatory awards (READ lots of money)?? There isn't much in the way of proof that IBM knew exactly what the Germans were using the machines for other than to track people. Similar to a US Social Security card system. The company that did all this business in Germany was a German company bought by IBM that became a subsidiary for them. See you are from Hong Kong maybe YOU shouldn't be too judgemental either considering you have a major clothing company there that designed clothing wear with SWASTIKAS on them !!!! Read below the following: New York, N.Y., August 11, 2003 � The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today expressed outrage at reports of a Hong Kong-based fashion company, IZZUE, launching a line of clothing featuring Nazi symbols. IZZUE stores have also been decorated with symbols of the Third Reich "from the ceilings to the floors," with one store allegedly broadcasting Nazi propaganda films on a wall with a projector. Deborah Cheng, the company's marketing manager, issued a statement explaining that the designer did not realize that the Nazi symbols would be considered offensive. http://www.adl.org/PresRele/HolNa_52/Hong+Kong+IZZUE_4333.htm Seems not everyone in Hong Kong is as sensitive to the Third Reigh as you are. At least IBM issue was 60 years ago not ONE WEEK AGO! Regards, Jon | ||
| James Lee (Aventino)
Junior Member Username: Aventino Post Number: 57 Registered: 6-2003 |
All I see is a million fillipinos on a Sunday walking around in Kowloon on their day off so I don't know about that. For a 4th world country Ford invested an awful lot to win a 24 hr sportscar race there. And Ferrari France campaigned in endurance racing through the late 70's and into the 80's (BBLM's and F40s) so from an automotive perspective I'm glad the french are about. Don't buy French? What about don't buy German too. They were also vermently opposed to the Iraq invasion. That was conveniently forgotten in the rhetoric about this thread possibly as that would mean giving up on buying BMW and Porsche and M-Benz. And Jon P. maybe you should read about IBM and the money they made designing computing systems for the Nazi's to track the millions they murdered and the property they sent to those very same swiss banks. It was a NY Times bestseller. This thread is sad. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2406 Registered: 10-2002 |
Duly castigated? Fu ck that noise. How about those who didn't even return from from their seaside vacation to bury Grannie but had her stored on ice until they got back? Walk along the harbor in Kowloon on any Sunday. You'll see families walking along proudly arm in arm. Their members range from 104 down to new born. France is a 4th world country. China ain't. | ||
| James Lee (Aventino)
Junior Member Username: Aventino Post Number: 55 Registered: 6-2003 |
I mourn some poor grunt who gets shot in the back of the head wandering into a store in Bagdad. These people haven't had democracy in a thousand years, the whole concept of abiding by majority vote is completely alien to them. Why bother even trying? That is, IMHO, an even bigger waste of life than sunstroke in France. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2661 Registered: 1-2002 |
Surprise, surprise, the death toll unfortunately doubles AGAIN. And guess what? A$$clown in Chief Jacques "Iraq" Chirac was VACATIONING IN CANADA for the same 3 weeks of the heatwave! How convenient for that pencildick hypocrite!!! I mourn the 10,000 who should NOT have died, suspect that the number will grow again, and laugh once again at a "government" that lectures the US on being a civilized country yet loses more to a brief heat wave than many uncivilized 3rd world contries do in a year. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,95334,00.html | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2645 Registered: 1-2002 |
Thanks, Jon. Will do! | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 928 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dave, Pick you this months issue of Grassroots Motorsports. There is a 5 page article on VIR. It's pretty interesting, thought you might be interested since you are doing the Panoz school there. Regards, Jon | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2644 Registered: 1-2002 |
Sadly, it looks like more than 5,000 people died from the heat in France, and not 3,000 as previously thought. And it is possible thatthe toll could go even higher.  Jon, an apt reminder of the Swiss role in the Holocaust... | ||
| Ermin Trevisan (Trevi)
Junior Member Username: Trevi Post Number: 79 Registered: 5-2003 |
jon, and i respect the right to debate any kind of topics in the off-topic section. i'm not criticising the content. it's the civil matter, as you mentioned, that i felt was going some way out of control, at least in my opinion. ..... ok, maybe as an old-fashioned european (;-)) i'm just to sensitive, i have my problems with paroles and prejudices thrown in a round without trying to really discuss issues, if there are any. on this topic for example there are a lot of open questions and issues which could reasonably be discussed in a civil matter, probably one could even try to elaborate some explanations. just my 2c, don't feel disturbed. trevi | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 923 Registered: 8-2001 |
Ermin, I respect your right to criticise this post but this is the "Off Topic" section and it encompasses a wide variety of views on hundreds of economic, social and political issues we all face. I am sure we could all debate these topics on the other forums you talk of...but many of the people (most) on Ferrarichat I consider my friends and I like debating or joking with my friends who all share a love of Ferraris. In this case the death of 3000 people in France is no laughing matter anymore than it is a laughing matter for the 3000 people killed in the US on 9/11. However, we all have our views and baises about things and people. Dave and I both chose to voice ours over France. I think we can all debate or argue about things in a civil matter. I didn't say anything negative about the people who died...I merely stated my resentment for the country they reside in. Regards, Jon | ||
| Ermin Trevisan (Trevi)
Junior Member Username: Trevi Post Number: 77 Registered: 5-2003 |
jon i was not responding to specific posts, i expressed my thoughts about the whole thread. i believe there are enough forums and chatrooms in the internet where this kind of "topics" are widely "discussed". trevi | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 919 Registered: 8-2001 |
And yes my airconditioner is turned on ! Currently 68 degrees F. Jon | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 918 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kurt, As my friend Art on this board would attest to most of my posts on this "Off Topic" forum are of a reasonably intelligent nature backed up by facts (read any post on Iraq or other Economics/Politics issues). When it comes to the French and their recent behavior towards the US my "reason" goes out the window. If Ermin was responding to Jeff's prior posts about FROGS and not my post I will retract my statement about his country but if it was in reference to my post than he has a lot of nerve judging me or my views on the French. Sorry ! Jon | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 556 Registered: 3-2003 |
Trevi, well said! Its realy under the level of this community. I`m also watching speekless this thread since a couple of days. Maybe, the ultra hot summer all over the world and no airconditioner (thanks KURT) let this happen. What`s up gents??? Regarding the threads with Matt & Tattooss. Please lets go back to our beloved passion - FERRARI! Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Kurt Kjelgaard (Kurtk328)
Junior Member Username: Kurtk328 Post Number: 210 Registered: 3-2001 |
Jon, turn on your airconditioner and cool down. | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 916 Registered: 8-2001 |
Ah Yes ! The Neutral Swiss....telling us all how to act. Since you are so offended by our posts here I won't make a comment on certain GOLD TOOTH FILLINGS or anything about your countries BANKS!!!!!!!! Jon | ||
| Ermin Trevisan (Trevi)
Junior Member Username: Trevi Post Number: 75 Registered: 5-2003 |
even if it is off topic, i hate this kind of childish crap. i had a very good impression of the ferrarichat community, before this thread started. IMHO this is under the level of this community and it does not even produce any progress in whatsoever. let's be mature again trevi | ||
| thomas daniels (Castex)
Junior Member Username: Castex Post Number: 80 Registered: 6-2003 |
Oh, and she's a 365:D | ||
| thomas daniels (Castex)
Junior Member Username: Castex Post Number: 79 Registered: 6-2003 |
I'm British, just living and working here. I like it. People are generally friendly, great food and wine, nice roads. I like the language. Nice weather...As you say, Jon, the weight of popular opinion around here seems to be bearing down on me and any lurking froggies I don't mind, but I will continue to defend a country and people I've rather taken to, or in fact any group of people I feel are being unfairly persecuted. Bien cordialement, Thomas | ||
| Jeffrey Wolfe (86mondial32)
Member Username: 86mondial32 Post Number: 441 Registered: 5-2003 |
Thomas.. Please understand. We are not really happy about the deaths. Most here feel badly for the families. But after the way France behaved towards the US you must expect backlash. Perhaps if your country acted more like an ally we would voice concern. As long as your countrymen act as if France is the equal of the US and raise voices against us just to protect YOUR interests then you should expect us to laugh at you as often as possible. | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 915 Registered: 8-2001 |
Thomas, I see you currently live in France though your name sounds British and you are seen driving a RHD 512 in your profile picture. While I have several friends who are French and harbor no ill will towards them personally, I think you will find that most people on Ferrari Chat that frequent this "Off Topic" section have little sympathy for a country and it's people that in the past 30 years have continually thumbed their noses at us, called us barbarians, and done little to help us in international matters except to use their one little puny UN vote to portray themselves as a country 10 times bigger and more important on the world stage than the really are. While I did not support the war in Iraq it was for reasons of principle. The French people didn't support us because we chose to ignore their opinion on the matter. The French government opposed the war not becasue as they say "they didn't want to see a friend and ally make a grave mistake" which is utter bullshit but because: 1) Iraq owes France billions of dollars 2) France has the rights to develop nearly 23% of Iraq's oil reserves 3) Before the sanctions in 1991 France received billions of barrels of oil from Iraq 4) France would stand to lose over $10 billion a year in business to Iraq 5) And lastly....because Chirac is friends with Saddam and the only western leader to still have ties with him after the Iran/Iraq war. I have lived in Europe for half my life and spent three summers in France. While most of the people in the French countryside are very appreciative of our help in two world wars, most of the population which resides in Paris don't appreciate what we did for them and continually mock us. I have no respect for the French government and what it represents.....namely a bunch of hypocritical cowards who cry wolf everytime something bad happens to them. They had no problem opposing us in the war with Iraq for the WRONG reasons, but as soon as things in Liberia got out of control and their French troops who are trying to keep peace there got in harms way they of course said we shold go over. You'll find little sympathy on this site form the majority of us here especially in light of recent evidence in the past two months that shows the French government to have created fake EU passports so half of Saddams family and his crony's could flee to Seria, Jordan and utlimately to Europe. I am not sure anyone PRIOR to your post was laughing at the French nor would that be the right thing to do in the wake of so many deaths . I am not laughing at them but I also don't give a sh*t about them either. As I have said before, next time Germany goes real estate hunting again our phone line is BUSY!!!! Regards, Jon | ||
| thomas daniels (Castex)
Junior Member Username: Castex Post Number: 78 Registered: 6-2003 |
This summer has been extraordinary. I live in the north of France, and the flat has been like an oven. While we might have had the option of getting out and going for a swim in a cool river, many don't. Worse, and apparently key to the tragic effects of this tide of heat was the fact that it just didn't cool down at night. Air conditioning is so rare in Europe - just not needed most of the time. If you're confined to your bed in some hospital in Montpellier, and getting someone to open a window results in a hairdryer-blast of further discomfort, then things don't look good. I passed a thermometer saying 48deg.C. My previous hottest memory was 37deg.C. in Rome, '79. Such a heat, if you are not used to or prepared for it, can induce panic. If it's every day for about two months in a country used to summers of short bursts in the low to mid thirties, then is it any wonder things have gone wrong? Those who could conceivably have acted faster to limit the death toll have been duly castigated; so why don't just we leave it there, Gentlemen? | ||
| Jeffrey Wolfe (86mondial32)
Member Username: 86mondial32 Post Number: 438 Registered: 5-2003 |
let's see... 5000 dead and out door toilets in 104 temps. And most of the dead were left at home by Frogs that went to the beach..... ROFL... can you imagine what France smells like right now.Opps.... thats right... they usually just cover it with cheap perfume | ||
| Tyler (Bahiaau)
Member Username: Bahiaau Post Number: 964 Registered: 12-2001 |
Mark, LOL! Jon, great site, thanks. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 2360 Registered: 7-2001 |
LMAO at Mark! | ||
| MarkPDX (Markpdx)
Member Username: Markpdx Post Number: 277 Registered: 4-2003 |
I did a little research and it looks like the ideal environment for Frogs is 70 to 80 degrees and humidity around 60%. Frogs have thin skins and will dry out if left in direct sunlight for too long. For more information check out Froggyville, they even have a discussion board.  | ||
| Lou B (Toby91)
Member Username: Toby91 Post Number: 275 Registered: 4-2001 |
"Thomas, my point is NOT that we can 'withstand high temperatures better" Didn't some black football coach get in deep s--- for saying the samething about black players? | ||
| DL (Darth550)
Junior Member Username: Darth550 Post Number: 108 Registered: 7-2003 |
!REVEREND! | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 2357 Registered: 7-2001 |
Thomas, my point is NOT that we can 'withstand high temperatures better'. My point is that there is NO reason to lose 5000 people because the temperature is 104. There's no reason to lose even 1. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2612 Registered: 1-2002 |
Mark, you are correct: it is NOT a laughing matter. What IS a laughing matter is that the French government sees fit to lecture us about not being a civilized country, yet they allow 5,000+ of their citizens to perish just because the temperature hit 104 F. That is laughable, pathetic, and hypocritical, and is emlematic of a 3rd world country that thinks it is better than all the first world countries. | ||
| thomas daniels (Castex)
Junior Member Username: Castex Post Number: 77 Registered: 6-2003 |
Lame, Lamer, and Lamerer. The point of this is what? US citizens are harder, withstand high temperatures better? Impressive stuff. Some other clown says 'nice family values'...Of course, you always take mom and pop on holiday, right? I don't want to have a scrap with anyone here; this site's better without the vitriol, IMO, but this thread is dull, and wrong. | ||
| Mark Langfield (Ferrari_co_uk)
Junior Member Username: Ferrari_co_uk Post Number: 72 Registered: 4-2003 |
Sorry guys, but I don't really think the death of 5000 people is a laughing matter... | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2610 Registered: 1-2002 |
Jon, LOL! As I said, the French redefine "hypocrisy" every time I turn around. | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 808 Registered: 2-2003 |
Hahaha! All of you are a riot! Sunny | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 912 Registered: 8-2001 |
Maybe someone started a rumor the German's were invading again and the French didn't want to get bogged down with the old folks so they got a head start. Jon | ||
| IamA (Ski_bum)
Junior Member Username: Ski_bum Post Number: 146 Registered: 12-2002 |
"The government has said many of the deaths were among elderly people left at home by family members who left on holiday." Nice family values. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 2344 Registered: 7-2001 |
"Earlier this month, parts of France suffered in temperatures of 104 degrees and higher, but temperatures have since cooled to more normal levels." Damn, earlier this month in TEXAS we suffered from temperatures of 104 degrees and higher and temperatures have also returned to normal. Normal is 104 degrees and higher. We didn't lose 5000 people. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2597 Registered: 1-2002 |
Jon, that is a GREAT site! Thanks!! I especially liked the one that points out how Diane Feinstein has a concealed carry permit. If true, her hypocrisy will actually have exceeded Barbara Boxer's... | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 904 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dave, Go to: http://www.flashbunny.org/content/frenchmagazine.html Lot interesting stuff for us conservatives! Regards, Jon | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2595 Registered: 1-2002 |
Jon, I am ROTFLMMFAO!!!!!! Priceless! | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 903 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dave, Check these out:   | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2590 Registered: 1-2002 |
And these goofballs have the gall to lecture us about how what it takes to be a "civilized" country? When was the last time 5,000+ people died here during a heat wave? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,94988,00.html   |