| Author | Message | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1509 Registered: 10-2001 |
LOL @ Taek , im sure its the same as a 996 TT , the car is only lighter because its 2WD and not 4wd. I would like to "experience" this in a VW Phaeton ..One less in the world  | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 2207 Registered: 11-2002 |
Andrew, I don't know the crash worthiness of that car. If it's the same, then GT2 it is! Although it might bring me to tears... Cheers | ||
| MarkPDX (Markpdx)
Member Username: Markpdx Post Number: 903 Registered: 4-2003 |
I will second that. I have told the story of the time I totalled my Mustang before, it was a convertable and I was going 75+. Wearing a seatbelt probably prevented me from being thrown from the car. Only suffering a broken arm when the car landed upside down was luck, or something. | ||
| Dave Quick (Davequick)
New member Username: Davequick Post Number: 35 Registered: 5-2003 |
To see many wrecked 360s (and other Ferraris)... http://www.wreckedexotics.com/360/ -dq | ||
| 89TCab (Jmg)
Member Username: Jmg Post Number: 585 Registered: 9-2001 |
Survival is both a feature of safety and luck...and while a car can help improve the odds, I believe it is a function of luck. To wit, Senna is dead from the suspension entering his helmet, not the impact. (Yes the impact broke the suspension but its trajectory is what caused the death.) In a case much close to home, my 92 Mondial T Cab was wrapped around a tree and while the passenger side door was pushed in 2 feet, the fuel tank ruptured and a branch the "size of my wrist" (according to the police officer on the scene) missed my wife's head by about 2 inches - she was out of the hospital within a 6 hours with a body of pain but no broken bones and no permanent injuries.  Was it the car being safe, the driver being skilled (yeah right) or just plain old dumb luck? As for Snyder and Di, they helped create their own back luck by a)driving outside of safe conditions and b)not wearing belts. - JMG | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1505 Registered: 10-2001 |
Taek why not a GT2 ? | ||
| TC (Houston) (Tec)
Member Username: Tec Post Number: 272 Registered: 2-2002 |
Taek, If you're going to crash the TT in the wall I'd skip the X50. The standard engine can get you to 80 just fine. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 2206 Registered: 11-2002 |
Omar, Agree about those BMWs too. I was raised with them. I've seen my mom climb out of a 635 CSi after he car was smacked off the road. Car fell about 10 meters before it hit the ground nose first. My mom was shaken but walked away from the car. A friend of mine flipped a Z3 in Spain and walked away too. 7 Series would definitely be my second choice. Cheers | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1503 Registered: 10-2001 |
What did MBZ say back then ? I dont remember anything ??? | ||
| Tyler (Bahiaau)
Intermediate Member Username: Bahiaau Post Number: 1079 Registered: 12-2001 |
Kds, I have a similar story. A friend who was involved in an off set head on collision. Two lane road, raining, an idiot with his lights off tried to pass a semi-truck, my friend could not see him behind the wall of water the truck was throwing up. He swerved slightly before the impact, both cars hit at over 60 mph. My friend was driving an S500. The idiot was driving a pick-up truck. My friend and his passenger had bruises from the seat belts tightening, that's all. They walked away, while the other guy left in a body bag. A couple years later I had friend who was broadsided by a drunk driver going about 50(in a 30mph zone). He was driving an S320. He walked away also. S-class cars are bank vaults. Taek, I've heard that P-cars are safe, but don't know of any stories about them. | ||
| LionsFan54 (Lionsfan54)
New member Username: Lionsfan54 Post Number: 29 Registered: 3-2003 |
"Unfortunately, No one will ever make a vehicle that can withstand an 80 mph crash" Huh? many cars, from many manufacturers protect their occupants in 80 mph crashes all the time. There are so many factors involved in any crash that the raw MPH can be a major, or minor, piece of the equation. Maybe it hit just right but I find a car tearing in half at 80 mph to be a poor testimonial to the crash worthiness of that vehicle. It's not like the guy crashed in a Geo Metro. This was a car designed to travel at triple digit speeds all day long. All things being equal (and that's my qualifier) that car should have protected those belted occupants better. PS, Priness Di would still be alive today if she had just worn her seatbelt, same for Derrick Thomas, etc etc. Wear those belts people. | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Intermediate Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 1064 Registered: 9-2002 |
Hey now, the 7 series are just as well built as the S. They were the first to have head airbags, along with a few other things. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 2205 Registered: 11-2002 |
I'm sold on Porsche's safety. God forbid I should ever be in a position to choose a car to smack a concrete wall at 80 mph, it would be either a Cayenne Turbo (not the S, but that's because I'm vain like that ) or a Porsche Turbo X50 (ditto). Cheers | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 2204 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>i never read MerceDES Benz's statement with regards to their cars' safety and Princess Di's death but it almost seems a little offensive that they would do that... Sort of gives me the impression: "yeah, we kinda care that she's dead, but we're more concerned with the fact that some of you will stop giving us your money 'cause of what happened. Look at what happened, it wasn't MB's fault, our cars are safe and reliable... Please continue to give us your money..."<< DES, The PR mind would think...Death and injury occur in the safest of cars, even the Mercedes Benz flagship, which is legendary for it's remarkable build quality and safety features. Many high profile people who have every option at their disposal opt for the Mercedes Benz, and they all place great value on their own safety and that of their family's. Please drive safely, it is the only way to avoid this sort of unfortunate accident. A car is only as safe as it's operator. Cheers | ||
| Kds (Kds)
Member Username: Kds Post Number: 257 Registered: 5-2003 |
Jim Avery... I'd put myself in an "S" class Mercedes-Benz any day if I had to hit a wall at 80 mph.....I wouldn't give my choice of cars a second thought either. Here in Calgary a few years ago a doctor drove his S500 into one of the concrete abutements on one of our major highways at about 130 kmh.....he was "sitting" beside the car when EMS arrived. | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 419 Registered: 9-2002 |
If your going to crash a heavy collection of plastic and metal into a house the inertia is going to have a huge affect on you irrespective of crash perfomance, so it doesnt really matter that he was in a Ferrari, if any statement is made it should be to the effect that Ferrari do not condone people doing 100+mph in a residential area MBZ's statement about Di was just good marketing, in the Sunday Times the day she died (they went to press about 2 hours after the crash) there was a 1/3 page MB add saying how safe an S-class was and it would protect your family in an accident............ but then again if she had been wearing a seat belt she would have survived | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 6951 Registered: 8-2002 |
DL, as far as i know, no user has the ability to uproot a topic and change it's location, however administrators have that power... Maybe Rob or Wayne can move it or you could just re-post... i never read MerceDES Benz's statement with regards to their cars' safety and Princess Di's death but it almost seems a little offensive that they would do that... Sort of gives me the impression: "yeah, we kinda care that she's dead, but we're more concerned with the fact that some of you will stop giving us your money 'cause of what happened. Look at what happened, it wasn't MB's fault, our cars are safe and reliable... Please continue to give us your money..." Ironically, if Ferrari released a statement on safety because of this most recent accident, i wouldn't see it the same way; in my mind's eye, almost everyone seems to know that sports cars in general are not known for their safety, so if Ferrari released a statement, it would almost make sense to me, but i we're talking about two completely different animals here... i guess what i'm trying to say is that i don't want Ferrari to do it, just 'cause MB did it... i don't think all automakers should do this every time someone famous bites the dust in one of their cars, ESPECIALLY when it wasn't the cars' fault... On another plane, if they're going to release safety statements when celebrities kick the bucket, why not release safety statements everytime ANYone dies in a car-related accident... Only seems fair to me, you know what i'm sayin'...? | ||
| DL (Darth550)
Member Username: Darth550 Post Number: 429 Registered: 7-2003 |
DES, I believe Ferraris to be safe, as I do MBZ. I was approaching the issue from a PR standpoint. MBZ issued their statement immediately after the crash in Paris. While I realize Snyder was not as large a figure, this is making national news. MBZ's statement was issued to avert any question about the safety standards of their vehicles. Whether or not it was openly questioned, the preception was there. I believed at the time, that it was as brilliant as it was necessary. Ferrari is becoming more of a large scale producer of cars. They are actually gaining market share by way of the championships and becoming more accessible. I am, and have always been Tifosi. I care about my favourite marque. I just do not want them to lose any traction....so to speak. DL ps. How does one move a topic? | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 6944 Registered: 8-2002 |
DL, i'm not sure why you think Ferrari should issue a statement of their safety standards- the cars either meet or exceed requirements or they wouldn't be on the road... The rest is up to the driver... Now while i'm saddened by the demise of the gentleman in question, i don't think his death should result in a safety concern; why do you...? By the way, this is a great topic of discussion - irrespective of my viewpoint - and should really be posted in General Discussion for a wider range of views and replies... | ||
| Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Member Username: Boxer12 Post Number: 317 Registered: 6-2003 |
Unfortunately, No one will ever make a vehicle that can withstand an 80 mph crash. Even if they did, the secondary collision would get them. R.I.P. Snyder | ||
| Rosso (Redhead)
Member Username: Redhead Post Number: 469 Registered: 12-2001 |
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=ap-thrashers-snyderdies&prov=ap&type=lgns Sad to hear. May he R.I.P. | ||
| DL (Darth550)
Member Username: Darth550 Post Number: 428 Registered: 7-2003 |
I just heard that Dan Snyder (Atlanta hockey player and passenger in the 80 mph, 360 Spyder crash) died of massive brain injuries. May he R.I.P. While I feel for him, I am curious to see if Ferrari will issue a statement with regard to the (high) standards of safety in their vehicles, such as MBZ did, immediately after the death of Princess Di. They should. DL |