| Author | Message | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Intermediate Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 1054 Registered: 6-2002 |
Hey Rob- There was an XJ220 at the Mallya collection, awesome car! It is SO HUGE I could not fit it in the frame! http://www.dreamns.com/ferrarichat/mallya/ for my lousy attempts. I also got to sit in the (looks like standard Jag) V-12 equiped, XJR-15 distant cousin! This car was ALL carbonfibre, some of the best I have ever seen. I WANT IT BAD. She even had DOT legal slicks. I swear it's legal, officer... Best! Ben. | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 989 Registered: 2-2003 |
Andrew, thanks for that bit of news! Praise the JDHT, they are providing an invaluable service to owners and mechanics of older models, and special models it would appear. I wonder if its possible for a specialist in Don Law Racing to become sick of looking at the XJ220.... nah!  | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 434 Registered: 9-2002 |
sunny, the Jaguar heritage organisation now has all the tooling and spares for the xj220, in the article in this months classic & sportscar, the specialist interveiwed (Don Law Racing) claims to get a reliable 700bhp out of the engine as well as servicing and repair of 60+ 220's!! | ||
| MarkPDX (Markpdx)
Intermediate Member Username: Markpdx Post Number: 1010 Registered: 4-2003 |
Marconi Museum They are open M-F 9am to 4:30pm, it says by appointment so I would suggest giving them a call first. Don't even bother going by on a weekend, there is a big wall around the place and you can't see anything through the gates. The first time I just showed up and didn't have any problem getting in. The second time I called ahead and scheduled a tour. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Intermediate Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 1352 Registered: 8-2001 |
Good man.. Take a bunch of shots of the Ferrari FX (please). | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 2162 Registered: 12-2002 |
Of course, Ill send you the pics for your forums as well. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Intermediate Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 1351 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jordan, bring a camera! | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 2161 Registered: 12-2002 |
Ah, the Marconi collection! I literally live 5 minutes away from it and I have NEVER BEEN!! Whats wrong with me...Maybe this saturday is a good day. | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 980 Registered: 2-2003 |
TWR was going to provide the powerplant and engineer the powertrain while it was going to be a V12. Due to the excessive weight faced with a V12 and 4WD, 4WD was dropped and the budget crunch ended up with a twin turbo V6 and further reduced the weight. TWR did modify this power plant but were not responsible for its design and engineering. Aside from influences on the powertrain, credit goes to Jaguar designers and engineers. Most notably, Geoff Lawson, who has recently passed and is responsible for creating Jaguar's post-1984 styling. TWR is out of business aside from what they do on a personal level... Parts that will likely either be found in Renault (or someone said Rover) parts bins or fabricated. Fun, eh? Sunny | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6523 Registered: 12-2000 |
Sunny, I heard that TWR did the cars for Jag and that they're are out of business. Thanks for all the info! | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 7044 Registered: 8-2002 |
Tyler, that's correct... A doctor i believe, in Arizona; drives it fairly often from what i remember reading... | ||
| Tyler (Bahiaau)
Intermediate Member Username: Bahiaau Post Number: 1086 Registered: 12-2001 |
The 220 is just a beautiful car. Such pretty lines. If I remember right there is an F-chatter who owns one. | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 430 Registered: 9-2002 |
There is a great article on them in this months classic and sportscar (and pic on the cover) Would have been great if they had built the V12 rather than the six, but the six does have a fantastic motorsport heritage, it was based on the same Rover engine as the Metro 6R4 Group B rally car (at one time the fastest accelerating road car in the world)  | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 978 Registered: 2-2003 |
And he owns a Superbird too... wow... | ||
| MarkPDX (Markpdx)
Intermediate Member Username: Markpdx Post Number: 1002 Registered: 4-2003 |
Only met him very briefly. Both times I have been to see his museum there weren't any other visitors. The last time I was checking out the Pantera when he walks through the building and hollars at me to go ahead and open up the engine bay to get a better look. Very cool. I saw him later in the parking lot where he was getting into a real Orange County exotic............... a very dirty Dodge pickup truck. Apparently he has a bunch of property and those exotic cars aren't always practical. I posted a bunch of my other pics here. | ||
| MarkPDX (Markpdx)
Intermediate Member Username: Markpdx Post Number: 1001 Registered: 4-2003 |
You can go see it any time you want. The Marconi Museum is open weekdays, $5 admission. Lots of other interesting cars to see as well. It's in Tustin, CA just a couple blocks off the 55 IIRC. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Intermediate Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 1348 Registered: 8-2001 |
Has anyone met Marconi? He seems like a helluva guy to open up his cars to the public like that.. | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 908 Registered: 3-2002 |
Kool Kats ! | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 976 Registered: 2-2003 |
Thats a TWR modified one! Awesome! I know someone who knows someone who would be interested in purchasing that car. Seriously. Sunny | ||
| MarkPDX (Markpdx)
Member Username: Markpdx Post Number: 1000 Registered: 4-2003 |
D.ick Marconi has one in his museum. It's a very nice looking car.     | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 975 Registered: 2-2003 |
540bhp/475lbs with 200lbs at tickover. Top speed 223mph and it weights around 3250lbs. The V12 concept car develops around 525bhp/400lbs torque. It is 16.1 ft long, 7.2ft wide!, and 45 inches tall. Its a 3.5L V6 twin-turbo engine is partially based off of a Renault design which is not a very well known fact unless you've worked on both. Hold onto something tight when the turbos kick in. The V12 was dropped for economical reasons and weight balance. Beyond that, the scope of the project changed midway during its development and they lost a notable chunk of deposits with some deft legal manuevering by the prospective owners. Keep in mind that Jaguar was capable of producing a 450bhp/380lbs torque 5.0L V12 to race Le Mans in 1966/67, so putting focusing their efforts would have made a very refined high output monster 6-6.5L V12 to put in the XJ220 instead. The TWR modified versions, which one of has appeared during the Symbolic Motors day at the races, owned locally here in So Cal, is reported to output close to 680bhp and 535lbs torque with additional aerodynamic downforce and stabilization. As of two years ago, there were several XJ220s still in their shrinkwrap at the factory in storage, unsold. The sticker price on the car new is $659,000. $160k is for a beater XJ220, most sell in the $225-250k range. Jaguar is still alive and kicking, so no, the company that built them is very much alive. There are several specialists in the trade, usually British-American, with 30 to 40 years (or more) in the business who know how to modify and maintain XJ220s, one of which my own specialist in Sherman Oaks for my beater's regular needs. If Norwood needs technical advise, I can give you the number to my specialist off list. He makes house calls to local So Cal XJ220 owners. In fact, he tipped me off to an XJ220 that had a small engine fire and needed $30-35k to be mechanically and cosmetically perfect, owned by one of his clients. He showed me pictures that same morning when I was turning in my car for service. The asking price was going to be around that of late model pristine 348tb, and having not only a specialist to maintain it that I trusted, but one that knew the entire history of the car and one that was driven almost daily (I hate garage queens), I was ready to sell my soul and could have rounded up funding. But the owner decided to keep it and that was that. *sigh* One opportunity I will never forget. The XJ220 has supercar performance, looks, and Jaguar luxury in one package. It is a dual purpose car that was built to satisfy its designers, as a project, not at all designed to compete in the supercar market. It managed to stir up limited market appeal and is only now truly appreciated for what it is. It was in the development stages before the McLaren and set the top speed record for a production car from a major manufacturer before the McLaren made its debut. I love it even more for that history! I will own one, likely after I add a "Dino" of some sort to the garage. The longer I wait to do that, the closer I get to saying F-it, I'll be patient and go for the gold. Here is me crouched next to one from the Newport Beach Concours this last Sunday.  | ||
| Rosso (Redhead)
Member Username: Redhead Post Number: 477 Registered: 12-2001 |
http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/21/317581.html?1065455869 Figure you have seen this Rob, but on this last weekend's drive we got to see one as well..parked..but...still..as well some other beauty's Enjoy | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6522 Registered: 12-2000 |
That's what I was really taken back by, was just how awesome it looked in person. It is very wide and long. How much HP do they have? I was told they start at about $160k. | ||
| david charles (Supraboytt)
Junior Member Username: Supraboytt Post Number: 116 Registered: 10-2001 |
that car looks so so so nice in person- i have seen an f40 an f 50 even a race ready mac f1 and the 220 is my favorite- the imperial palace has an auto museum with a silver one - simply scrumptious! | ||
| Kendall Kim (Kenny)
Member Username: Kenny Post Number: 555 Registered: 9-2001 |
It was originally meant to be a V12, but Jaguar ran out of money, and had to do with a twin turbo 6... There was an article a few months back in CAR magazine talking about the car and the top speed run Johnny Herbert did for them back when it was introduced.. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2741 Registered: 10-2002 |
They are very pretty. They are also WIDE. I think they would have sold better with a 12 but those were strange days. Except for the parts prob. they are a lot car for the money today. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6519 Registered: 12-2000 |
Everyone knows I only know and love Ferrari, but this was one hot car. Very pretty car and the details of the suspension and engine layout make me think it's more race car than street car. I guess that's what the super exotics should be. However, I think the looks alone blow away any of the Lamborghini's, much less the mechanicals. Heard it can go 220. Just a little V-6, but twin turboed. Independent rear suspension with cross drilled rotors and I think 2 calipers with 2 pistons each on every rotor! The seat is even more of a cockpit feel than the Lambo, Lotus, or Viper. This one has a blown head gasket at only 400 miles. The company that built them is no longer around and there's no tech documentation on the car at all. Norwoods is going to remove the engine and hopefully just a simple head gasket swap. I really do like the car. Better looking than the Lambos and I think more of a pure race car. Trunk is just a CD changer. I will wait until I see a Mclaren F1 before I decide which non-Ferrari exotic super car is my favorite. |