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| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2981 Registered: 1-2002 |
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| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 7073 Registered: 8-2002 |
Dave, my older-yet-still-somewhat-naive friend (  ), i'm just leaving the office, been busy most of the day, probably won't see a computer 'til i get back on Monday, so - if it's okay with you, Mr. Texas - this is gonna have to wait until then... Sorry, buddy, i know you were lookin' to rip me a new one before the weekend officially set in, but time just won't permit it... All my love, big guy... | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2978 Registered: 1-2002 |
Art, I stand corrected. My apologies--it does not and should not always be us and them. It appeared to me (incorrectly, it turns out) that your objection to an FBI corruption probe of a big city mayor was partisan related. If I was wrong, I was wrong. DES, still awaiting your answer, my young non-voting friend. Also, BTW, Mr. Street has awarded huge airport maintenance contracts to relatives, including his brother (a la the Daleys in Chicago) as well. He is as corrupt as they come, regardless of party. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Advanced Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 2712 Registered: 6-2001 |
Dave: If it were a republican, I object as well. Why does it always have to be us vs. them? Art | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2977 Registered: 1-2002 |
Your silence on the question I posed you, Art, speaks volumes. | ||
| Thomas I (Wax)
Member Username: Wax Post Number: 536 Registered: 7-2003 |
"as opposed to the no-bid contracts given to Haliburton and Bechtel by the White House (Republican)which is o.k." As opposed to Secrets traded to China (Communist) for donations to Clinton-Gore (Democrat). | ||
| Mark (Markg)
Member Username: Markg Post Number: 624 Registered: 2-2001 |
From some articles today it may have been centered around Mayor Street's (Democrat) giving out no-bid municipal contracts to some of his cronies, which is bad, as opposed to the no-bid contracts given to Haliburton and Bechtel by the White House (Republican)which is o.k. Dave Maranelloman..."Typical of Democratic big city machine mayors, it seems"....does, doesn't it! Daily, Street, some say Willie Brown....etc. America hasn't been this divided since Viet Nam, and the War Between The States before that. | ||
| Nebula Class (Nebulaclass)
Member Username: Nebulaclass Post Number: 678 Registered: 11-2002 |
News Flash! Telson Does Not Exist! (AP) Friday - It was discovered early Friday morning that the user known as Telson (Pitbultrader) on the famouns FerrariChat is not really a user. Like the previous rumors that DES, the inhouse conspiracy theory nut, was a computer program, some users of F-chat were a little suspicious of Telson's posts. After a long investigation, it turns out that Telson is nothing more than an incredibly sophisitcated computer program, utilizing a bizarre form of Artificial Stupidiy, also known as A.S. The developers of the program, who have asked to be kept anonymous, do confess that their work was funded by Lyndon LaRoush, Al Sharpton, and Carrot-Top. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2756 Registered: 10-2002 |
Art As someone who's Dad made Nixon's list I'm aware of abuses that occur. That's what the press does best. Expose these abuses if they are in fact abuses. There have been some terrible abuses in the US. That said the seris of checks and balances has worked as well and continues to do so. | ||
| Telson (Pitbull_trader)
Junior Member Username: Pitbull_trader Post Number: 103 Registered: 8-2003 |
Dave: I have also posted that I was not really in favor of this Iraqi adventure. Oops. Dave, I guess I really owe you an apology then on this, as you can see I haven't been here long enough to know exactly who held what positions here. As for Bush, I really believe that he is incredibly evil, incompetent and stupid, a dangerous combination at the best of times. My support will be for Wesley Clark (Oh God, now he's probably really going to get the bashing of his short political career here by some, lol), a man who was not a personal coward but walked the talk, and understands national security. OK. Now I'm really out of here, have a great weekend all ! | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2975 Registered: 1-2002 |
"Dave if it's so "routine", why are pols of BOTH parties so upset then? [perhaps because they are also under investigation? corruption knows no political boundaries, in my observation] Btw, good Republicans really have nothing in common with the neoconservative right wing extremists around Bush, that's probably why." I agree. I am not registered in either Rep. or Dem. party, because I do not like either of their powerful extremes. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2974 Registered: 1-2002 |
lol, Telson, divert, digress, just anything to not have to answer for your lies & partisan spin. Telson, your bitterness at our president knows no bounds. More importantly, You should be ashamed of yourself for comparing him with the mastermind of one of history's greatest genocides. And you should apologize for demeaning the memory of all those tens of millions murdered by Hitler's regime just to satisfy your petty, partisan, selfish ego-stroking. As for the WMD's, I don't know. I sure hope they are found, AS I HAVE POSTED MANY TIMES. I have also posted that I was not really in favor of this Iraqi adventure. Now, I will ask you 2 questions: are you a US citizen? if so, do you vote? | ||
| Telson (Pitbull_trader)
Junior Member Username: Pitbull_trader Post Number: 101 Registered: 8-2003 |
Dave if it's so "routine", why are pols of BOTH parties so upset then? Btw, good Republicans really have nothing in common with the neoconservative right wing extremists around Bush, that's probably why. | ||
| Telson (Pitbull_trader)
Junior Member Username: Pitbull_trader Post Number: 100 Registered: 8-2003 |
lol, Dave, divert, digress, just anything to not have to answer the only relevant question: WHERE are the WMD's your Fuhrer was promising in amazing abundance ? | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2973 Registered: 1-2002 |
Ah, Art pipes in. I wonder if you would feel the same way if Street were a Republican, Art. Somehow, I doubt it. Again, your desire to quash an ongoing FBI investigation (which they routinely don't discuss to reporters or US Senators, whom they also investigate) into a big-machine Democrat speaks for itself. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2972 Registered: 1-2002 |
Um, Telson? "Besides, the scale is totally different, and Bosnia was not only justified but also had the world acting together." You are a very poor liar. The UN opposed US action. France opposed it. Germany opposed it. In fact, nearly ALL of the countries in "civilized" western Europe would rather have allowed the genocide to continue than to get involved...and when the US did, they opposed it! So don't you DARE lie to me otherwise. To quote you, your argument is NOTHING but SPIN, LIES AND DECEIT. And, justified? How so? And how was it any more justified than any other US military operation? And I think we all see your invoking Ted Kennedy as a role model as something that speaks for itself. You are a VERY bitter little man, Telson. Get help before you hurt yourself or someone close to you. Have a nice weekend. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Advanced Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 2708 Registered: 6-2001 |
To those of us old enough to remember, Nixon used the FBI to harass his enemies. In this instance, Street was told this was not about him. Before the Patroit Act, the government had to provide notice to those who they tapped, who were not the subject of the investigation. Seems Ashcroft (sp) is using the act for a good many purposed unintended by congress. Spector also called for an investigation. I think we indeed need such an investigation, and I would appoint a special prosecutor if I had anything to say about it. Art | ||
| Telson (Pitbull_trader)
Junior Member Username: Pitbull_trader Post Number: 98 Registered: 8-2003 |
PS, funny how pols of both parties are extremely upset about what happened, whereas here its quite the opposite. Tells you sthg, that does. | ||
| Telson (Pitbull_trader)
Junior Member Username: Pitbull_trader Post Number: 97 Registered: 8-2003 |
Why, Dave, lol, it's not about Clinton anymore, haven't you noticed. Besides, the scale is totally different, and Bosnia was not only justified but also had the world acting together. We are currently in the extremely unhappy position of having a rightwing extremist war criminal in the White House, a personal coward that has never taken a risk or made a sacrifice for the sake of his country, and whose business career is a story of murky deals and insider privilege, and who has started a war that has severely compromised the security of the US based on nothing but lies and deceit. Bush claimed that Saddam was behind 9/11, had ties to Al Qaeda, and posed a HUGE and IMMINENT threat to, not only his neigbours, but, ROFLMAO, the USA itself. And all of those allegations were never PROVEN because they were UNPROVABLE as they were based on NOTHING but SPIN, LIES AND DECEIT. But, of course, you're really just engaging in a bit of old rightwing SPIN yourself, anyway, going round and round and round, totally misunderstanding the fact that the burden of proof was on the side of the rightwimng extremists that committed this atrocity of a war, not those who claimed all along that Saddam was NOT behind 9/11, did NOT have ties to AL Qaeda, and did NOT pose a HUGE and IMMINENT threat. Nobody can be blind enough to not see that this war was a fraud perpetrated in Texas, as Kennedy famously and accurately remarked. Bush needs to be impeached for trying to turn this country into a police state where judicial due process and civil liberties are becoming increasingly irrelevant, and for being a war criminal who started a war based on nothing but lies. And please, before you come up with an answer, just answer one thing, the only relevant issue: WHERE are the WMD's ?? lol | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2753 Registered: 10-2002 |
This is what the FBI does. They investigate criminals. They get court orders which they did and gather evidence. They get warrants and seize evidence which they have in this case. They turn their findings over to DA's who deceide whether or not to bring charges. If charges are brought a trial ensues. This is what happens in America. It is somewhat different in Iran. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2970 Registered: 1-2002 |
No, Telson, I would not agree. Unlike you, I do not take as patent fact everything I read in extreme left leaning publications. I am open to a variety of points of view--left, right, center, extremist, some that I agree with and others that I don't--and then am able to draw my own conclusions. You ought to try it sometime. As for your "war criminal" comment, you should be ashamed of yourself. Pursue Mr. Clinton for shamelessly bombing Bosnia & Sudan as a war criminal, and Arafat as a war criminal for openly advocating & funding attacks specifically on civilians, and then we can talk. Otherwise,  DES, do you really oppose FBI investigation of corrupt politicians? Or do you just oppose it if they fall into one particular political slant? And how on earth can you criticize a government that you refuse to participate in electing or unelecting by voting? Is that not called hypocrisy? Food for thought. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 7072 Registered: 8-2002 |
Disgusting... but not surprising at all. What else can you expect from the government...? | ||
| Telson (Pitbull_trader)
Junior Member Username: Pitbull_trader Post Number: 96 Registered: 8-2003 |
Ah, but nothing as compared to a lying, neoconservative extremist war criminal who's running the country, wouldn't you agree. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2969 Registered: 1-2002 |
Street is as crooked as they come. Typical of Democratic big city machine mayors, it seems. | ||
| Telson (Pitbull_trader)
Junior Member Username: Pitbull_trader Post Number: 95 Registered: 8-2003 |
Look what starts happening when you get rightwing, neoconservative extremists running the country: "Pa. Leaders Ask FBI to Explain Bug By DAVID B. CARUSO PHILADELPHIA (AP) - Pennsylvania politicians from both parties demanded that the FBI explain why it apparently planted secret bugging devices in the offices of Philadelphia's mayor just weeks before he is up for re-election. ``I think given this extraordinary situation with four weeks to go in the campaign, it is incumbent upon the FBI to say why they planted the device,'' Gov. Ed Rendell said Wednesday. Mayor John Street, a Democrat, is locked in a bitter rematch against Republican businessman Sam Katz, and the campaign has been marked by charges of intimidation and race-baiting. Rendell, a Democrat, and U.S. Sen. Arlen Specter, a Republican, were among the politicians who called on the FBI to tell the public what it knows about the eavesdropping equipment. That list also included Katz, who called the discovery ``breathtakingly shocking.'' The FBI made no such public disclosure, and it was unclear what federal prosecutors revealed to Street about the investigation in the two days since the bugs were discovered. Three federal law enforcement officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, acknowledged that the FBI was responsible for the bugs, but refused to provide any details about the nature of the probe. Street late Wednesday said one of his advisers had been told by the U.S. Attorney's office that the mayor was not the target of an investigation. ``I never believed that I was the target of any investigation,'' Street said. ``I'm happy to confirm that tonight.'' The U.S. Attorney's office in Philadelphia did not acknowledge responsibility for the bugs but said it had been in touch with Street. ``We have stated very clearly to both Mayor Street and his attorney the mayor's status in this matter,'' spokesman Richard Manieri said Wednesday night. He would not elaborate on what federal prosecutors told Street. FBI spokeswoman Linda Vizi declined to comment on the devices, other than to say they were not connected to campaign espionage. The devices were found Tuesday by police conducting a routine sweep of Street's City Hall office suite. Street's campaign suggested the bugging was instigated by Republicans. ``The timing of the discovery of these listening devices seems incredibly strange, seeing that we are four weeks out of the election, and we have a Democratic mayor ahead in the polls,'' said Frank Keel, the Street campaign spokesman. Keel went on: ``Do we believe that the Republican Party, both at the federal level and state level, is pulling out every stop to get Pennsylvania in 2004? Absolutely. Is the Republican Party capable of dirty tricks? I think that is well documented.'' U.S. Attorney Patrick Meehan, the top federal prosecutor in Philadelphia, denied politics plays any role in prosecutors' decisions. Election Day is Nov. 4. ``The U.S. Attorney's office in the Eastern District of Pennsylvania has a long and proud history of doing its work without regard to partisan politics. That was the practice of my predecessors, and it is my practice as well,'' he said in a statement. Philadelphia Police Commissioner Sylvester Johnson said the security sweeps of the mayor's office have been going on for decades. Police said a similar sweep done in June found nothing suspicious. An aide to Street, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that more than one microphone was found and that all were within the mayor's office suite. Officials would not say how long the equipment was believed to have been in place. Street beat Katz four years ago by fewer than 10,000 votes in this city of 1.5 million. Polls also show a neck-and-neck race in this year's campaign, which has been marked by ugly words and an act of violence. In August, someone tossed what may have been been an unlit firebomb through the window of a Katz campaign office. An aide to Street and a former city employee were charged with making threats after getting into a confrontation the same day. Supporters of Street, who is black, and of Katz, who is white, have accused each other of race-baiting. A debate between the two was scheduled for Thursday. Associated Press reporters Curt Anderson in Washington, D.C., Marc Levy in Harrisburg, Pa., and Maryclaire Dale in Philadelphia contributed to this report." www.cnn.com |