| Author | Message | ||
| Ryan Alexander (Ryalex)
Junior Member Username: Ryalex Post Number: 159 Registered: 8-2003 |
Kenny - I had two interviews this Spring to spend the summer with BMW NA in NJ... but they wanted more of a computer programming/IS student with engineering experience, preferably automotive engineering. I don't know who the guy is that fits that description, but I hope he enjoyed his summer! In the end, I had more fun relaxing and travelling, and I ended up having to assume the lease on my apt in July anyway. | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member Username: Doody Post Number: 2002 Registered: 11-2001 |
well, some thoughts on resume submittals. with the advent of the internet, the flow of information about available jobs went through teh roof. so responses also went through the roof. i've advertised all sorts of jobs over the years, and initially it was policy to respond to each one with a thank you, we'll let you know if we're interested. but when you get 1,000 responses to one job offering, it becomes infeasible (other than automated email replies). when it comes to totally unsolicited resumes (ie: no job posted) i think it's excessive to expect any sort of response. doody. | ||
| Kendall Kim (Kenny)
Member Username: Kenny Post Number: 571 Registered: 9-2001 |
Thanks, I've applied before to those places in the past with an undergraduate degree, but I've never so much as got a response or a postcard from them saying they even got my application.. | ||
| Ryan Alexander (Ryalex)
Junior Member Username: Ryalex Post Number: 158 Registered: 8-2003 |
Kenny - I'm not sure what they have now, but I met a guy in '99 (at a friend's) who was finishing his MBA and had done an internship and accepted a job with BMW's finance dept. Don't know much more than that other than it was possible! | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 998 Registered: 10-2001 |
James, I hear this everyday from great candidates that send resumes into major corporations. I don't know why so many resumes never get acknowledged? Sometimes its just a matter of speed. If they get a huge response it can take 6 months to hear back from some companies (companies are still watching the economy and stringing candidates along slowly). Other companies get so many resumes from non-qualified candidates, that they miss the good resumes as they try to sort through the pile. As a Headhunter it's nice to get someone directly on the phone, but even then it can take up to 3 months for people to get back to me. Job market is still over saturated. But things are looking better every day. James, I can't help you since you are already in their system (locks me out as a Headhunter). But if I where you.... I'd get my resume into the hands of one of your trusted contacts at FNA. | ||
| James Dunne (Audiguy)
Member Username: Audiguy Post Number: 358 Registered: 6-2003 |
Mark, I sent a resume to HR at FNA last week after reading their ad for Area Sales Mgr in Automotive News. Not so much as a thank you for submitting it in return. And this after working at FoDallas for three years, 17 years with BMW, 8 of it as general manager, working with BMW marketing and advertising teams, being most knowledgable BMW specialist in North America for 5 years in a row and being featured in numerous newspaper and magazine articles. Now don't get me wrong. I was just testing the waters to see if there was any interest at all but was completely blown away that the HR dept would not even achknowledge the fact that they had received the resume. I guess the people I know at FNA don't get to talk to the HR guys. | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
Member Username: Beast Post Number: 439 Registered: 5-2003 |
Mark; You got mail......... Rob Guess "The Other Rob" | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 996 Registered: 10-2001 |
Jim, I think its funny also. But NASCAR is so HUGE it has dumped a lot of jobs on the market. (engineering, marketing, business) No matter how hard I try. I just can't get away from the Moon Shine series. Have you heard...this years Presidential election will hinge on "NASCAR dads" instead of "soccer moms". Give me a break.  | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 995 Registered: 10-2001 |
You can see Mfg., Dealer, and Supplier help wanted ads at - www.automotivenews.com (Sorry posted with spelling error in my original post) | ||
| Jim Muise (Writerguy)
Junior Member Username: Writerguy Post Number: 208 Registered: 9-2003 |
HAHAHAH AAHHAA race engineer in NASCAR is the guy with the slege hammer who makes suspention modifications by beating a rubber wedge in to the coil springs HHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHHAHAAHHA sorry just couldn't help that one.... | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 994 Registered: 10-2001 |
Working for the race teams. I think I saw a Masters Degree or something offered by USF (university of south FL in tampa)... for- Masters in Race Engineering? That was aimed at people that wanted to get jobs at the race department of NASCAR, CART, and IRL I wonder what level of Engineering degree you need to get into a pit crew now a days? | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 993 Registered: 10-2001 |
Kenny- As a Headhunter I mainly find engineers with 3 or more years experience, or I find business people with 8 or more years experience. If you are asking about education,MBA,or hiring for College Grads... companies don't pay Headhunters so the best source of information is the BMW, MB, VW web site career section. Usually very helpful. I got out of Michigan and 100% automotive recruiting about 2 years ago. But the best automotive recruitment agency in Detroit is Bryant Bureau 810 772-6452 I now work on Medical, Bio Med, wireless, and electrical engineers as my core business. (But still do a little work on the side for car companies like Honda just so I can keep my eye on NSX developments) Also, since I'm opening a office in NJ at the end of the year I thought doing a little work with Ferrari on the side might be fun. (probably have to do the first one for free to get my foot in the door but would be fun just for experience). I use to enjoy automotive recruiting, but American business was becoming too mature and consolidating to too few players. German companies look like great opportunities from an employment point of view. Let me know if you end up finding something. I'm always willing to make a call to a company if you find a match. Sometimes it helps get past HR pile of web submitted resumes. ( I can't help if you've already submitted a resume..once your name is in system it locks out Headhunters from being able to represent you). | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 976 Registered: 2-2002 |
My brother was contacted by Ferrari a few years ago. They wanted him to run their Communications Dept. Pay was lousy and there was definitely the feeling that you should be happy to take less for the glory of working for Ferrari. he turned them down. | ||
| Jim Muise (Writerguy)
Junior Member Username: Writerguy Post Number: 206 Registered: 9-2003 |
Just had a brain bubble go off There was a guy in Toronto who packed up and ended up working as a race enginer for Ferrari. He was Swirvin Irvine's side and I don't remember when he came back to this side of the pond. One of the places to inquire would be through Morry at Collectors Studio Motorsports Gallery in Toronto he has a close working relationship with Sheui (the reason he has such wondrful things in his shop) he may, if you are nice and don't harrass him, be able to point you in some "OL boys" circles to go with the other ideas posted here. Drop a note to me and I will forward info to Morry. | ||
| Kendall Kim (Kenny)
Member Username: Kenny Post Number: 568 Registered: 9-2001 |
Hey Mark- Would you know of any positions for the MBA management programs at some of these companies like BMW NA or Mercedes NA etc.? | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
Member Username: Beast Post Number: 437 Registered: 5-2003 |
Mark; Send myself an E-mail telling me what you need and i will get the information to you ASAP. [email protected] Rob Guess "The Other Rob" | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 983 Registered: 10-2001 |
Rob Guess If your a match for the Tech training job...drop me a note and I'll talk to FNA for you. I still do a lot of Headhunting for the auto industry. It always helps to get your resume introduced to the company, instead of...just sending resume into career web-site. Gets lost in the huge pile of paper. | ||
| Ryan Sabga (Sherpa23)
Junior Member Username: Sherpa23 Post Number: 214 Registered: 5-2003 |
Atta boy, Ryan. | ||
| Ryan Alexander (Ryalex)
Junior Member Username: Ryalex Post Number: 154 Registered: 8-2003 |
Doody - Porsche is ranked among the best places to work in Europe, too. Jordan - I also sent my resume in to their online database and even cold-called FNA with no luck. But then I realized I would rather own them than just work on them! | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
Member Username: Beast Post Number: 435 Registered: 5-2003 |
HMMMM That Tech Training Job sounds right up my alley since this is what i currently am doing right now... Dang where did i put that resume at. Rob Guess "The Other Rob" | ||
| Vince (Manatee)
Member Username: Manatee Post Number: 392 Registered: 6-2002 |
Maybe you can try FNA first. Just get your foot in the door by taking on any job. Work hard and impress your boss. Then when you learn the politics of the organization, you can try and move on to the factory. don't get discouraged if things don't happen as fast as you'd like. Good things take time. The days are long gone when racing teams were 'low budget' operations and one could just walk right in the door and help out with any chores they had available. But I wouldn't know anything about that. | ||
| Augustine J. Staino (Azzuro328)
Member Username: Azzuro328 Post Number: 606 Registered: 4-2003 |
Jordan, Firstly, I, for one, would sell or give a testicle for this opportunity. I've dreamed of doing this same thing and I never cared what the salary or working conditions were. They'd be fine, I'm sure. I have read that most employees in the factory have been given a push by a family member who also works there. I have a great book, Inside Ferrari, which shows the factory throughout the years. Many of the employees are profiled in the book, and one in particular stands out. I forget his name but his uncle, who had worked there for years, got him a job working on the F40 production line. He was one of only 22 people that got to do this. This is the kicker; he was only 17 years old!!! Talk about a dream job at 17. Anyway, if you want to do it bad enough, go for it! Hell, if you are successful, I might drop this racket and follow you. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member Username: Peter Post Number: 3178 Registered: 12-2000 |
Some local Ferrari owners recanted their story to me of their recent trip to the factory and have had the experience of meeting some of the factory staff, out in a restaurant in Modena and having long conversations with them. What amazed them (and me) was the fact that the factory workers told them THE WORKERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SIT IN THE CARS (obviously if its their job to install internal components and you have no other choice but to, then its permited, but only for the job). They said if anyone was caught sitting in any car for fun, they automatically got fired... | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 2287 Registered: 12-2002 |
Good information guys, thanks! | ||
| Thomas I (Wax)
Member Username: Wax Post Number: 625 Registered: 7-2003 |
Chris Horner wrote: "...there is no shortage of people that would sell a testicle..." How much are testicles going for these days? I'm - I mean, my friend is in SoCal. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 981 Registered: 10-2001 |
COME GROW WITH US... Ferrari, the world's most prestigious sports car company, is seeking performance-driven individuals for the following positions: CERTIFICATION AND COMPLIANCE ENGINEER In this position you will assist with regulatory analysis, certification, compliance, enforcement and reporting responsibilities associated with emissions and safety-related matters for Ferrari and Maserati vehicles in the U.S. Duties include analyzing and interpreting regulatory requirements, preparing/reviewing certification documentation while maintaining close contact with regulatory agencies. You will also be involved in preparing, reviewing and monitoring safety-related mandated reports, documentation for safety-related recall campaigns, enforcement responses and requests for technical information. To qualify you must have a Bachelor's degree in Mechanical, Electronic or automotive Engineering, plus 3-5 years experience in automotive safety regulations. In addition you must have the ability to establish strong working relationships with government representatives as well as with our factory in Italy. Bi-lingual Italian is a plus. TECHNICAL TRAINING SPECIALIST You will be responsible for conducting on-going classroom training to our Ferrari/Maserati dealers, Technical Managers and Service Technicians. You will develop and maintain the technical training curriculum, play a vital role in the assessment and implementation of technical training requirements and provide our dealership network with on-site technical education and support. The ideal candidate will have a Bachelor's Degree in Mechanical, Electronic or Automotive Engineering plus a minimum of 3 years experience in a teaching/training environment. Must possess excellent technical knowledge of automotive technology with at least 3 years experience as a "rated" technician. You must also possess excellent communications skills in order to be able to make effective presentations and work in a strong environment. Both positions require strong computer skills. We offer a superior compensation and benefits package including a company vehicle, 401K and health insurance. Qualified candidates may send their resume and salary history to: Drop me a note if you're skills are a match. Mark | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 980 Registered: 10-2001 |
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| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 3379 Registered: 2-2001 |
Doody its probably bcus everybpdy is so motivated by the racing arm & every1 is extremely committed + the food in Italy is pretty good too | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 979 Registered: 10-2001 |
3 steps to Italy, for someone that is not born there. Start your quest by lusting after New Jersey. You get to NJ by moving to Michigan. I'd learn German first, then Italian. I've seen ads in the trade magazines (www.automotivenwews.com) for marketing and business executives to join the team at Ferrari North America in NJ. After putting in a few years at FNA I bet you could transfer to Italy. Otherwise those jobs at Ferrari Italy go to the locals...passed down by generations. Usually the job requisites at FNA, look for someone that has reached impressive levels in the car industry at other manufacturers. The last two ads I saw were for 10-15 year experience guys. Right out of college, your most successful strategy would be to go for an entry-level job with VW/Audi and then work my way up on the business side at corporate headquarters. VW seems very aggressive and impressive. If I was hiring from Ferrari, I'd be most interested in guys from VW headquarters in Michigan. (.. besides Ferrari might just come to them one day anyway.) In USA, seems 80% of "tier 1" suppliers are German companies. Most of the electronics in FORD,GM come from German company Siemens. And when you look at the BIG 3 it now means (USA, Germany, Japan)the auto industry is sick for American Mfgs, but MB, BMW, VW....seem to be doing as well as the Japanese. So most of European auto world is easyer to advance in if you are schooled in American Business but know how to speak German. The German's are always looking for bright American workers to help them further grab market share in the worlds most profitable counrty. The straightest line between two points is not always the obvious short-cut. P.S. expect a low salary offer if you ever get to Ferrari. They will pay less because you get the status of putting their name on your resume. And a lot of guys want that. You can get started today. Just go to the VW web site and start looking at the kind of job openings they are posting for college grads. | ||
| Chris Horner (Cmhorner17)
Member Username: Cmhorner17 Post Number: 332 Registered: 4-2002 |
Just to play devils advocate and pass on a rumor that I heard - that when working for Ferrari you get treated like you are lucky enough to be there and you should be happy with that alone, and that you get to put FERRARI on your resume. Made sense to me, because let's face it - for everyone there if they leave there is no shortage of people that would sell a testicle for the chance to work around Ferraris all day. Not trying to stir the pot....just passing along what I heard. | ||
| Nibblesworth (Nebulaclass)
Member Username: Nebulaclass Post Number: 767 Registered: 11-2002 |
At first it will seem cool, after a month, it'll seem like any regular job. At least, that what I got after selling F-cars. It seems like a total dream job and all, but in reality, it is just another job. Not really worth packing up and moving, in my opinion. And I'm a Ferrari nut....just my 0.02. | ||
| Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
Member Username: Ralessi Post Number: 421 Registered: 5-2002 |
I've always wondered about this as well. Although engineering/math/science or whatever has never been my forte, being a Jean Todt/Ross Brawn type (not just for Ferrari really, but anywhere) is very appealing. I wonder how they get there? Also would an American have the benefit of our education system? I figure that most of them go to schools in Europe while we have the elite Ivy League/MIT types here. Although I guess those jobs don't really come until later, and emphasize performance over schooling - it might be helpful however to get a foot in the door. Any thoughts? | ||
| Adnaan Rasool (Adnaan)
Junior Member Username: Adnaan Post Number: 95 Registered: 4-2003 |
Its true. they are number 1. Apprantely the benefits are great(not just the cars). | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member Username: Doody Post Number: 1974 Registered: 11-2001 |
Ferrari was just voted #1 place to work in Europe really? i'd like to see that survey. i find it hard to believe that a CAR FACTORY would end up on top. doody. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 3377 Registered: 2-2001 |
Ive been to the factory, its like any other factory excet for the end product. I would recomend you learn Italian after that, it depends on what you are interested in. Do you want to build cars on the assembly line ? Design cars ? Engineering ? work with the racing team ? Keep in mind that the jobs building the cars have become jobs passed down through families also Ferrari was just voted #1 place to work in Europe so competition to get in must be fierce. Find something you like very much and become as good at it as possible. Good luck | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 2275 Registered: 12-2002 |
Has anyone here ever had any experience working for Ferrari in Italy? After I finish my college education Ive been seriously considering packing up, moving to Italy, and working for Ferrari. Im sure I could also find some orchestra work in Italy to keep me occupied in music as well so I might be able to get the best of both worlds! I just have a lot of questions though...Whats the workplace like in the factory? Pay/Benefits? What kind of experience do they need a person to have in order to hire them for any variety of jobs in the factory? |