| Author | Message | ||
| TOM BUCKLEY (Tom_b)
Junior Member Username: Tom_b Post Number: 146 Registered: 6-2003 |
DGS---Well said. James---Well said also. Look , I tend to be passionate about cars and racing and at times I overstate my case to drive home my point. I don't HATE SUV's. Hell, I even had a '94 Suburban, up until a few years ago, that I put 250,000 miles on. It was a great truck that reliably served many purposes. It took me and my son on many fishing trips. It hauled 12 bales of hay at a time when I was putting in my lawn. It took the family on many camping trips and vacations. It towed my race cars and served as the Chevrolet Hilton at the track. It never leaked nor burned a drop of oil. That being said, I must say that most SUV's on the road today are underutilized and usually cleaner than my Mondial !  There are also A LOT of them ! When you've got a 7,000 lb SUV on your bumper and you're in a Mondial and you know, in a panic stop, he will end up driving over you, it can get a little annoying. Let me leave you with my remembrence of a short story in Car & Driver in the '70's. It was called "The Last Sportscar" or something like that. It was about a guy who had an MGB and would sneak out at night to drive it. You see, he was trying to avoid the huge, monster vehicles that the vast majority of unskilled drivers were in . It was the future (Now ?) and these vehicles were so ponderous as to not be damaged in collisions. Well, one night, our hero snuck out and was driving around,when he was attacked by a group of these behemoths, equiped with CB radios. They were deliberately trying to crash into him. Well, he made it back to his garage with only a crumpled fender, vowing never to take the MG out again. THEY had won. Please. If someone else remembers that story and has a copy of the magazine----- could I have a copy ? Funny how that story stuck with me. So..... I'm sorry if I offended anyone. Just like to stir up some controversy now and then. It's good for the soul. Mine AND yours. Tom | ||
| DGS (Dgs)
Member Username: Dgs Post Number: 442 Registered: 5-2003 |
Ground clearance, AWD, visibility, and rear seats: I've got that from the EVO. And that stuff wasn't what I bought the car for. Ground clearance: When was the last time you "beached" a car? Even in snow country, the only car I've had hang up was backing the Alfa Spider out of a poorly designed driveway, and that was an issue of rear overhang, not ground clearance. Rear seats: I've got 'em -- and I don't use 'em. Again, rear seats, "just in case", is just extra weight to lug around. Visibility: The only vehicles I have trouble seeing around ... are SUVs. Don't get caught up in a space race to get the "high ground", or you'll wind up with Space Ball One -- in Mega-Maid transform. (She's gone from suck to blow.)  There are a few people who have a real, recurring use for an off-road vehicle. But most SUV drivers I've seen are afraid of bumps I take at speed in a stiffly sprung sedan. There are excuses to own SUVs, just as there are excuses to drive Ferraris -- and both are based more on subjective opinions than on logic. Neither stand up to realistic evaluations of practicality, for the most part. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2953 Registered: 10-2002 |
DGS My wife's owned her Turbo Cayenne for 2 months. It's got almost 9K miles on it. She drives it off road 5 days a week. We've stuffed 5 + luggage into it several times and driven 600 mile road trips. She's gonna tow her horses. I'm going to tow my race cars. The Ferrari that raced my P4 isn't the same co. that puts it's logo on tic tacs. So what? They still make great cars. Times change. So far they've sold 20,000 Cayenne's. Unlike many new vehicles this one's a great vehicle and a Huge $ maker for P. | ||
| Dale W Spradling (Drtax)
Member Username: Drtax Post Number: 513 Registered: 4-2003 |
>>The question I have for Cayenne buyers is how often you have more than your big butt in it?<< DGS, I'm guessing that most people buy a Cayenne or an SUV for the same reason that my wife likes these cars, i.e., they sit up higher so you can see better, they have more ground clearance for when the weather turns bad (in Houston we get more rain than Seattle and flash flooding on the freeways is a major problem), the AWD traction control also works wonders in bad weather, these cars have a real back seat (unlike my E55), they can pull a trailer, and yes, the laws of phyics have not been repealed. One more comment, car guys need to be careful with saying that SUVs should be banned. This is a very slippery slope because guess what's next on the list? Remember, the eco-nazis also hate sport cars. They go too fast, cost too much, and use too much gas. Finally, it is my understanding that Ferrari's profits come first from merchandizing, second from F1 racing, and third from cars. So just like Harley, Ferrari has already whored itself. (I'll never forget when Harley licensed its name to go on a cigarette pack. This showed their true colors.) I just hope that Ferrari doesn't continue to follow Harley's example by focusing more on "branding" than on making the best cars in the world. Just my two cents and some change, Dale | ||
| DGS (Dgs)
Member Username: Dgs Post Number: 440 Registered: 5-2003 |
"At the end of the day, this is how the wheel turns. Porsche is in bidness to make money, not make a bunch of car nuts happy." Which is why a Ferrari SUV would be the end of the world -- or, at least, the end of an era. Ferrari sold cars to fund racing -- to keep a bunch of car nuts happy. The day Ferrari becomes about no more than money, it will be a duller world. And is jumping on the SUV bandwagon such a hot corporate goal? The question I have for Cayenne buyers is how often you have more than your big butt in it? Ford and Chevy are having size wars, until the machines are larger than my first apartment. But I've never seen an example of either one actually carrying cargo. SUVs have caught on with those who continue to believe, despite the evidence, that "big is safer". SUVs cater to the notion that you don't have to know how to drive if your sled is bigger than the other sled. Catering to the "stupid" sales isn't new: Ever hear of the "K-car"? What a fiscal wonder that turned out to be. (Oh, and Sir Buckley, check R&T pg 25, Aug 2001) | ||
| Dale W Spradling (Drtax)
Member Username: Drtax Post Number: 511 Registered: 4-2003 |
Can I hijack this thread, again? (Does this make it to the 4th power?) According to the latest issue of Panorama, demand for 911s fell by almost 7% worldwide and demand for Boxsters fell by almost 13% worldwide. Due to the Cayenne, though, overall sales are up 20% to 65,000 cars. So while we gripe about stinkin SUVs and so forth and so on, Porsche continues to make money to live another day. At the end of the day, this is how the wheel turns. Porsche is in bidness to make money, not make a bunch of car nuts happy. Would Enzo have built an SUV? Who knows, but my guess is that Mr. Ferrari would have done whatever it took to keep his company going. If that meant building a SUV, you can bet that it would have been one hell of an SUV, kinda like the Cayenne. But I think all of you are missing the real problem. Porsche is blowing it with the 911. Instead of making the Boxster a 360 eater (imagine a Boxster with 400 hp) and the 911 a 575 muncher (say 500 hp), Porsche is still screwing around trying to protect the 911 franchise. With a 911 C2 going for $80k and a Boxster S going for $60K, no wonder sales are falling. I just hope somebody at Porsche is paying attention. Dale | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 7467 Registered: 8-2002 |
Tom, congratulations, that's awesome...! | ||
| Michael Chan MD (Mikechanmd)
New member Username: Mikechanmd Post Number: 4 Registered: 9-2003 |
A letter I wrote to the editor of Cavallino written about the "Daytona Issue" #61 was published in Cavallino #62. I was ecstatic! | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 3180 Registered: 1-2002 |
Alright, alright, I get the picture... Hey, I add new material just as soon as I encounter it. It's not my problem if it has appeared on the web before. After all, I am an ancient 42 years of age--not much of what I do is cutting-edge!   | ||
| Nick (True)
Junior Member Username: True Post Number: 65 Registered: 6-2002 |
I also think that Dave needs to calm down with the images or get some new/original material. Everytime he posts, I have to wipe a layer of dust off his pics. | ||
| TOM BUCKLEY (Tom_b)
Junior Member Username: Tom_b Post Number: 144 Registered: 6-2003 |
Ed, Thanks very much. And now, since this thread has gotten out of control, I bid all a "good night". Tom | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 3171 Registered: 1-2002 |
Ooh, spanky, now I see you have modified your post, wherein you used multiple iterations of •••• & •••• to berate me for using cuss words in my post. Too funny! Have a nice evening. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 3170 Registered: 1-2002 |
Ed, thank you for expressing your opinion so maturely. Spanky, looks like I really have struck one of your many close-to-the-surface nerves in your delicate, fragile house-of-cards personality. Better lighten up--this is supposed ot be fun, and now you have been    By the way, this is a FERRARI message board. Don't you think it is just a bit odd for you to be posting Sterno-induced gibberish on it such as this: "Ferrari-driving blowhard" ????? | ||
| Ed P. (Ebp)
Member Username: Ebp Post Number: 303 Registered: 12-2002 |
By the way... Tom, Congrats on your letter. I remember my dad getting "published" for his testimonial in a Nordic Track advertisement. I think he bought about 100 copies... lol | ||
| Il Commenadatore (Ilcommenadatore)
New member Username: Ilcommenadatore Post Number: 48 Registered: 8-2003 |
Thanks for making my point for me Dave. | ||
| Ed P. (Ebp)
Member Username: Ebp Post Number: 302 Registered: 12-2002 |
Dave, He's right. You really do need some new material. Sorry! | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 3169 Registered: 1-2002 |
Hey, spanky, opinions are like sphincters: everyone has one, and now we've unfortunately seen yours. They day I post to suit your fancy is the day Bill Clinton is canonized by the Pope as the next saint. You don't like my posts, ignore them, spanky. Otherwise, STFU. And I mean that in the nicest possible way. Capisce?    | ||
| Il Commenadatore (Ilcommenadatore)
New member Username: Ilcommenadatore Post Number: 47 Registered: 8-2003 |
My point is that you should quit posting pictures that pre-date Homo Sapiens until you either: A. Find some (relatively) current pictures. B. Go couch fishing and spend the money on a Photoshop class at your local community college so you can create your own. I have noticed that don't say a lot in your posts; you just post those ridiculously tired pictures. I think you should follow the example of MarkPDX, do you see him whoring his pictures in every ••••••• thread on this message board? No, of course you don't. And that's all I have to say about that. Il Commenadatore | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 3167 Registered: 1-2002 |
What's your point, spanky? Do you have one?     | ||
| Il Commenadatore (Ilcommenadatore)
New member Username: Ilcommenadatore Post Number: 45 Registered: 8-2003 |
See, that's the •••• that I'm talking about. It's not like I haven't seen that picture about 20 billion times, ••••; I was on another messge board where that picture was posted for the first time ever--which was a long ass time ago-- so that picture (like all the other ones you post) is played like Sega Genesis. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 3166 Registered: 1-2002 |
Hey, spanky, better up your Paxil drip and  | ||
| Il Commenadatore (Ilcommenadatore)
New member Username: Ilcommenadatore Post Number: 44 Registered: 8-2003 |
God damnit Dave, when will you stop posting those stupid pictures that have been posted all over the internet like two years ago. Not only that, most of the pics you post have absolutely no ••••••• relevance to the thread in question, it seems that you post them just for the sake of posting. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way, it's getting very very irritating when I can't read one ••••••• thread without you posting your "OWNED", and assorted stupid old-ass pictures. They stopped being funny a long time ago. Cut that •••• out. | ||
| TOM BUCKLEY (Tom_b)
Junior Member Username: Tom_b Post Number: 142 Registered: 6-2003 |
DAVE, Well said. We're all car guys with preferences and dislikes. "Vive la diferance" Luv you all !!!!! Tom | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 3163 Registered: 1-2002 |
Can all y'all lighten up, please? Aren't we here because we all love Ferraris, and well-made, performance cars in general? Geez. Brian Kennedy is right. I do not like the Cayenne (although it has a SPECTACULAR interior)...so I choose to not buy one. Period. If others do, so be it. The Kubang will be a Ferrari SUV regardless of the Maserati badge. Maserati is Ferrari, especially after a version of the Maser V-8 ends up in the Modena. Just like AMG is Mercedes. The Mondial is a fine car, as is a Daytona and a 911. Some girls doubtlessly will be attracted to a Mondial; some to a Cayenne; some to a 550; and some to a Daytona. But this does NOT determine whether one is better than another. I think Porsche's future will be determined by the success of the 911 & its successor over the next 4-5 years. Porsche refuses to lower prices...and practices options-extortion to an extreme. This may be their undoing, especially after the novelty of the Cayenne wears off (there are already aggressive lease specials on the Cayenne S around the country; I predict them on the Turbo within 6-9 months). Tom, nice letter...but Enzo will probably turn over in his grave if/when the Kubang is produced. OK, y'all, flame away!     | ||
| TOM BUCKLEY (Tom_b)
Junior Member Username: Tom_b Post Number: 141 Registered: 6-2003 |
Il, I have no trouble getting all the "tang" I want. Even without a Supra. Tom | ||
| Il Commenadatore (Ilcommenadatore)
New member Username: Ilcommenadatore Post Number: 43 Registered: 8-2003 |
Seems like everyone is having their way with poor Mondy-Ya`'ll Tom. I bet teenage girls love the Mondy-Ya`ll, right Tom? Guess not. Maybe you should buy a Supra if you're really interested in pulling some high-school `tang. Il Commenadatore | ||
| TOM BUCKLEY (Tom_b)
Junior Member Username: Tom_b Post Number: 140 Registered: 6-2003 |
Taek-Ho-Kwon, I don't know what kind of car Rijk has. If you want to talk solely about speed--- who cares ? I was an SCCA licensed driver for the last 25 years. Driving at speed on the Autobahn or at a "track" event is one thing. Driving at those speeds within inches of 40 other " lunatics" is quite something else. I was a REAL racer. I slept in the back of a Chevy Suburban when and gone out and won the next day. So don't try to impress me with "Autobahn antics". Tom | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 2244 Registered: 11-2002 |
Tom, The majority if not all of the girls I know well would pick a ride in a Cayenne Turbo before a Mondial, let alone ownership. You bought a Ferrari because of the badge on the nose? That opens another argument altogether! And I do concur that the Chevy Trailblazer sucks and should be avoided at all costs. But it's no Cayenne Turbo, that's for sure. >>As far as you and Rijk sh*tting your pants---- probably.<< You're kidding right? Rijk has what is widely regarded as one of the fastest and most competent cars in automotive history (contemporary comparisons, of course, since you mentioned the Mondial was 15 years old). Jim has cars that fall asleep from boredom at speed under 165nph among his other more "mundane" offerings. Cheers | ||
| TOM BUCKLEY (Tom_b)
Junior Member Username: Tom_b Post Number: 139 Registered: 6-2003 |
Andrew, Andrew, Andrew, It may be hard for you to believe , but I was once a teenager myself. And yes, I knew a lot of teenaged girls myself. As for being silly --- I like to be silly. The world is a pretty silly place. If you don't know that -- you need to lighten up. As for teenaged girls not recognizing the Mondial as a Ferrari --- believe me , they know. Exposure to a 360 ? I haven't seen one on the road in two years so I doubt their exposure is reality. Tom (card carrying curmudgeon, and proud of it ) | ||
| Andrew Wanamaker (Androza)
Junior Member Username: Androza Post Number: 61 Registered: 2-2003 |
Pointing towards his spelling is kind of silly, as that has no real bearing on the argument. Besides, I think he knows how to spell it, considering I seem to remember him buying one for his wife... Being a teenager myself, and knowing a bunch of teenage girls, I know a good deal of them would rather be in a Porsche SUV. Girls love trucks. A Ferrari that old may not even be recognized by most girls, as their exposure is mostly limited to 360s and their ilk. Now if its a cabrio, thats a different story... | ||
| TOM BUCKLEY (Tom_b)
Junior Member Username: Tom_b Post Number: 137 Registered: 6-2003 |
Mr. Green, Now that was uncalled for. Jim and I are both fine looking gentlemen whom any attractive woman would be proud to be seen with . As long as it's in a Mondial ! Tom | ||
| TOM BUCKLEY (Tom_b)
Junior Member Username: Tom_b Post Number: 136 Registered: 6-2003 |
Why was this thread moved to "off topic" ? It had Ferrari content . Rob ?????? Tom | ||
| TOM BUCKLEY (Tom_b)
Junior Member Username: Tom_b Post Number: 135 Registered: 6-2003 |
Taek-Ho Kwon, My wife has a Chevy Trailblazer and I refuse to drive it. I'd rather walk. Oh, and by the way, she's really pissed about my letter in Autoweek. | ||
| Gary Green (Mr_green)
New member Username: Mr_green Post Number: 35 Registered: 10-2003 |
Neither of you! | ||
| TOM BUCKLEY (Tom_b)
Junior Member Username: Tom_b Post Number: 134 Registered: 6-2003 |
Jim, Now you've done it . Got me all riled up and me having skipped my medication. First of all, learn to spell what you are attempting to defend. It's CAYENNE. Secondly, A Mondial 3.2 is a "mediocre Ferrari" ? I think not. It's a 328 with two extra seats. Very practical. As far as you and Rijk sh*tting your pants---- probably. And you know what ? IT'S STILL A TRUCK AND THERE WILL NEVER BE A FERRARI BADGED TRUCK !!!! And another thing. You in a Cayenne and me in a Mondial. I wonder who would get a squeal out of a teenaged girl ? I rest my case . | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 2243 Registered: 11-2002 |
Cayenne is far from selling out. Need we all be reminded that a Porsche has won the Paris-Dakar race? Oh yeah, that was in the 80's too, way before the Cayenne. They've always been into off roading. Including their early rally participation and subsequent wins. As for them making an SUV and Ferrari not...I agree that the Kubang is as much a Ferrari as it is a Maserati. Although I don't particularly like SUVs I don't think there's anything wrong with them. You can't exactly pull a trailer, seat five comfortably, and slosh around snow in a sports car. I think we should all be thankful that at least the Cayenne lives up to it's badge. Better lap times than a Carrera 2? YOWZA!! The Cayenne Turbo kicks ass. As a Porsche guy I'd definitely buy one should the need arise. I'm happy it's out there because now I know that if I ever need an SUV there's one available that would suit a sports car nut. Cheers | ||
| Il Commenadatore (Ilcommenadatore)
New member Username: Ilcommenadatore Post Number: 42 Registered: 8-2003 |
Owwwwned! Glickenhaus: 1 -- Mediocre Ferrari Boy: 0 Il Commenadatore | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2936 Registered: 10-2002 |
Tom "Porschephile"? No someone who likes great cars and great trucks. Do you really think Rijk or I " would s**t their (our) pants at those speeds." ? On the autoban people reach that speed in Turbo Cayannes every day. The Turbo Cayanne is a great truck. The Mondial is a mediocre Ferrari. Selling out? At least P doesn't put it's name on tic tacs. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 6475 Registered: 5-2001 |
The reason why people like myself get "confused" and turned off by the Porsche SUV is simple: They tarnish their sportscar image! Ferrari bought Maserati to do different things but will not build it under their well established Ferrari brand. Audi bought Lamborghini so they can build a high end sports car. Can you imagine a $ 300,000 Audi Sports Car? No and yes, I know they have some racing heritage but still you would not fork that over under the Audi brand. Ford bought Jaguar to have a high end luxury brand. Who would pay $ 80,000 for a Ford XJR? Lexus is Toyoto yet Lexus is not associated with mass transportation cheap cars as toyo is or Hondo/Acura or Nissan/Infinity. Porsche was 911, now it is grocerygetter Boxer and Soccermom SUVs. I would not want to buy a $90,000 car from a company that builds grocerygetters. I think Porsche will soon be bought when sales are rapidly falling from their sportscar core business. Give them another 5-10 years to ride on their name and then it is history! Just as Maserati has killed their name with poor built quality in the 80s. | ||
| Dan Gordon (Ferruccio)
Member Username: Ferruccio Post Number: 292 Registered: 2-2003 |
In my honest opinion Porche whored themselves out. The fact is the company cashed in A LOT of its reputation for A LOT of money. Cars with that kind of reputation should stay pure. And on the right track. (Although the new Porche GT kind of made up for it) | ||
| Lee Pierce (Leepierce)
Junior Member Username: Leepierce Post Number: 224 Registered: 1-2003 |
What's the disagreement here? Of course the Cayenne is an SUV. I respect anyone (like Porsche) who looks at something not done particularly well (SUV's) and says "We're going to make one of those that is absolutely AMAZING...". There's the marketing spin, of course, and trying to target a certain demographic, blah, blah, but the point is that Porsche, an company that makes high-performance AUTOMOBILES, decided to take on a new challenge, and they did it beautifully from what I hear. It's an SUV. A damned fine one, well worth $80 or $90k or whatever they are. Ferrari won't build a Ferrari SUV, but the "Maserati" SUV will have a Ferrari engine in it. Doesn't affect my love of the marque. Oh, and congrats, Tom, on the publication! | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 1608 Registered: 3-2001 |
BTW, this is a pretty good issue of AutoWeek... has the new 612 Scaglietti on the cover, a write-up & pic of the next NSX and the new C6 Corvette (in wraps) at Nurburgring. I've been subscribing for 20+ years, still the best auto magazine IMO! | ||
| Erik (Teenferrarifan)
Member Username: Teenferrarifan Post Number: 412 Registered: 2-2003 |
Thanks Tom. Good letter. Congrats again. Erik | ||
| stephen c. darrah (Tiger)
New member Username: Tiger Post Number: 2 Registered: 9-2003 |
I need some help/advice. I am building a new home with a 1400 sq. ft. 3 car garage to keep a 550,360, and a '92 NSX.I would like to do the floor in a checkerboard pattern in a durable, glossy tile but have been unable to find a reasonably priced material.Griots has an alternative but is "off the charts" for a garage of this size.Anyone have any suggestions/ideas? Thanks. | ||
| Brian Kennedy (Kennedy)
Member Username: Kennedy Post Number: 596 Registered: 3-2002 |
And Lamborghini produces tractors. Big deal! As long as they don't build their cars like their tractors (oh, that's why the Murci weighs sooo much! ). Porsche building an SUV to take money out of the pockets of soccer moms so that Porsche can continue to build better 911's and supercars like the Carrera GT is fine by me. Just as Ferrari selling dumb-a$$ merchandise and sponsorships to cancer-breeders to help fund F1 racing and the sportscars that I love. Get a Porsche-nut on here trashing Ferraris and I'll happily throw the SUV embarassment at them. Get a marketing discussion going, and we might debate whether the SUV doesn't lessen the Porsche brand. But insulting the company for trying to make money selling something they are capable of building... that's silly. The Cayenne hasn't injured the 911. And the Cayenne will fit some people's needs/desires. Afterall, its not like I can argue my owning a 360 is sensible... compared to the Cayenne it only seats two and carries very little and can't even make it down some of the same roads. Its not about sensibility... its about how you want to have fun. | ||
| TOM BUCKLEY (Tom_b)
Junior Member Username: Tom_b Post Number: 132 Registered: 6-2003 |
Jim, Methinks you want to start a shouting match. I don't usually bite as I choose my battles very carefully these days. But I think I struck a nerve. Porschephile ? An SUV doing 165 MPH is a ridiculous image. The overwhelming majority of Cayenne owners would s**t their pants at those speeds. As for "leaving a Mondial in the dust" --- it's not the theoretical top speed of a vehicle that matters, it's the skill of the person behind the wheel. Besides, i'm driving a 16 year old vehicle. Give me a break-- please . Putting "Mondial" and "SUV" in the same sentance isn't silly. A sports car company producing a truck and making it sound like something it's not is silly. Any way you slice it ---- it's still a truck. Tom | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2932 Registered: 10-2002 |
Andrew/Tom Maserati is Ferrari just as Chevy is Pontiac. They're the same Co. When it suits them they badge an Enzo as a Ferrari. When it suits them they badge an Enzo as a Maserati which is what they're doing as we chat. They are making an SUV. Pretending they're not because they're calling it a Maserati is delusional. As for the Turbo Cayanne. Anyone who is driving one likely can afford to drive anything they want. They can certainly afford a Mondial. Unlike a Mondial when you step on this puppy something happens. If you have to get somewhere in a hurry it's 165MPH top speed will leave a Mondial Far behind. If you have to take 5 people and luggage from Paris to Dakar it unlike a Mondial will make it. It's great that you enjoy your car. It's a fine car. A turbo Cayanne is a completely different vehicle. Putting it in the same sentence with a Mondial is silly. | ||
| Rijk Rietveld (Rijk365gtb4)
Member Username: Rijk365gtb4 Post Number: 322 Registered: 1-2002 |
Who said anything about a compromise  | ||
| TOM BUCKLEY (Tom_b)
Junior Member Username: Tom_b Post Number: 131 Registered: 6-2003 |
Greg, Andrew said it best. The Kubang (they have to change the name) is a Maserati. As to why I think Ferrari will never make an SUV ---- because they don't have to. They deliberately limit their production to 4000 cars / year to achieve exclusivity and all the benefits that it entitles them to. They are leaving the mass marketed exotic cars and SUV's to Maserati. Pretty shrewd. They get the best of both worlds. And let's be honest. Isn't exclusivity one of the reasons we all own Ferrari's or aspire to Ferrari ownership ? Why else woul we put up with their tempermental nature and exhorbitant repair costs ? There are much faster, better handling , and far cheaper cars out there. But they aren't Ferraris . Tom | ||
| TOM BUCKLEY (Tom_b)
Junior Member Username: Tom_b Post Number: 130 Registered: 6-2003 |
I'll try again. Wish me luck.  | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1789 Registered: 10-2001 |
Maserati..not Ferrari. | ||
| Greg (Teflon)
Junior Member Username: Teflon Post Number: 75 Registered: 5-2003 |
Why do you think that Ferrari would never make an SUV? They didn't have the Maserati Kubang at the Detroit show for giggles. Greg A | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 2138 Registered: 5-2001 |
someone should post the letter here.... | ||
| John (Cohiba_man)
Member Username: Cohiba_man Post Number: 338 Registered: 1-2003 |
What does the letter say? | ||
| TOM BUCKLEY (Tom_b)
Junior Member Username: Tom_b Post Number: 128 Registered: 6-2003 |
Skip, I'm not on RENNLIST. What are they saying about me ? Porsches ----- THE TEUTONIC PLAGUE. Tom | ||
| Skip Williamson (Darolls)
Junior Member Username: Darolls Post Number: 177 Registered: 7-2003 |
Tomster- The people on the Rennlist luv ya!! Skipster | ||
| Lee Hamner (Tennlee)
Junior Member Username: Tennlee Post Number: 250 Registered: 2-2002 |
Congrats! | ||
| MarkPDX (Markpdx)
Intermediate Member Username: Markpdx Post Number: 1140 Registered: 4-2003 |
Congrats, It's cool to see your name in print. About a year ago an email I sent to Forza got published. IIRC William (CountachXX) had a letter in Sports Car International a year or two ago. | ||
| TOM BUCKLEY (Tom_b)
Junior Member Username: Tom_b Post Number: 127 Registered: 6-2003 |
Could someone upload a scan of the letter ? I've been trying to do it for Eric and others who don't get Autoweek but it keeps saying i'm exceeding the size limit. No matter how small I make it. Thanks. Tom | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 1606 Registered: 3-2001 |
Even got highlighted with a pic of the Cayenne... cool! Congrats on the publication! | ||
| Alex Lee (Alxlee)
Junior Member Username: Alxlee Post Number: 233 Registered: 4-2002 |
Congrats, I just read that about 10 minutes ago and was wondering if it was someone from Ferrarichat. | ||
| Paul Loussia (Bumboola)
Junior Member Username: Bumboola Post Number: 225 Registered: 3-2003 |
Very cool. I noticed that letter yesterday. About 5 years ago I was "published" in Autoweek in response to the question of "who is the greatest race car driver in the world." My response: "Michael Schumacher is to other race car drivers what filet mignon is to Spam." | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Intermediate Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 1512 Registered: 3-2002 |
That's too damn funny! I read that one first, and wondered immediately if it was from a FChatter. Well said. Well said, indeed. Nice to know others feel the way I do. | ||
| Erik (Teenferrarifan)
Member Username: Teenferrarifan Post Number: 411 Registered: 2-2003 |
Nice!!! Congrats that is awesome man. I would buy like 40 of them. What was your letter about? Erik | ||
| TOM BUCKLEY (Tom_b)
Junior Member Username: Tom_b Post Number: 126 Registered: 6-2003 |
Well, it isn't exactly the great American novel, but guess whose letter is highlighted on p.18 of this week's Autoweek ? |