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Ron (Easy_rider)
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Post Number: 802
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 6:05 pm:   

Nebulaclass is correct. I used to be the CFO at 6 auto dealerships and we had a guy come in twice per week and spray the cars down with this water. It does not leave spots when drying.

You see some mobile detailers with this also in a big tank on the back of their truck.
Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
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Post Number: 1246
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 5:07 pm:   

Beware:

Deionized water will 'suck' metalics/ions off various surfaces like an acid! It will corrode your engine, your paint, it will suck electrolites from your blood streem. Stay away, unless you have a particular need for this stuff.

Distilled water will not, it has just enough ions to stabilite its PH to neutral.
Horsefly (Arlie)
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Post Number: 1567
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 8:18 pm:   

"no aluminum cookware - the aluminum can cause Alzeimers,"

I've heard this statement before, even from a friend of mine who is a doctor and his family did away with their aluminum cookware. But I think it's a bunch of bunk. Here's why. I have an aluminum cooking pot that I have used every other day for the past 23 years. I always fill it to the same point inside the pot. Before I started using it, when I was a kid we used it to make tea with. We filled the water to the same point every time. So all totaled, this aluminum cooking pot has well over FOURTY YEARS of continuous use and there is no sign whatsoever of any ridge or corrosion to indicate that any signifigant amount of aluminum has been eroded away from the walls of the pot into the material being cooked. Anybody knows that an aluminum cylinder wall will develope a ridge as it wears away and there will be a noticeable erosion along the sides of the cylinder. But this ancient aluminum cooking pot shows no signs of any aluminum being eroded away after 40 years of use. In my opinion, the aluminum cooking utinsel danger is nonsense.

Kevin Butler (Challenge)
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Post Number: 226
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 7:22 pm:   

Guys, Mr. Clean now has all this stuff built right into a new hose nozzle. I saw it on Speed. (no kidding)
Nibblesworth (Nebulaclass)
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Post Number: 805
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Monday, October 27, 2003 - 12:05 pm:   

Telson, the DI process removes a lot of the crap that causes water spots, like calcium and iron and chlorine and what-not.

With regular tap water, the water beads evaporate, but the impurities remain and dry onto the surface of the paint.

With DI water, all the crap that doesn't evaporate is removed from the water, so when the water beads on a car do evaporate, nothing is left over, thus removing the eater spots.
Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
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Post Number: 922
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Monday, October 27, 2003 - 10:55 am:   

As long as you start with water that is remarkably pure, it is no problem. But also, if you start with remarkably pure water to start with, you would not need the deionizer in the first place.

I am not arguing that deionizing does not remove stuff, it is just it does not do most if not all of the things people are told it does. Esp that bead thing.

And that is another good point. In Thailand they had to dry the car instantly with leaf blowers. Or the soot in the air would collect around the water beads.


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Telson (Pitbull_trader)
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Post Number: 202
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Monday, October 27, 2003 - 10:40 am:   

When I sold F-cars, the porters used a DI system to wash the cars on the lot. Didn't touch them with a rag after hosing them down, and never once did any water spots appear after drying.

How is that suposed to work ?

Wouldn't just normal dust thats everywhere in the air get into the drying water and leave spots ?

Never heard / never seen any method where you just let water dry by itself on cars without water spots appearing.
Nibblesworth (Nebulaclass)
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Post Number: 803
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Monday, October 27, 2003 - 10:36 am:   

Drstrangelove - it ain't BS, at least when used to wash cars, it ain't BS.

When I sold F-cars, the porters used a DI system to wash the cars on the lot. Didn't touch them with a rag after hosing them down, and never once did any water spots appear after drying. We also used one at the Ford store I worked for.

It may not make the water "pure", but it gets rid of all the "hard water" elements that can plague a car's paint.
Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
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Post Number: 921
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Monday, October 27, 2003 - 8:43 am:   

What? Resin beads can in now way strip all impurities out of water. For example, if you have dioxin in the mix, running over resin beads is not going to help you. Nor would it remove supersaturates like fluoride and chlorine. Some one has sold you a pack of BS, trust me. If the bead theory worked at all, you would see mass distillation plants use them as opposed to the current methods.

Deionising is actually the last step in reverse osmosis. Nenumerous electrically charged impurities or "ions" (i.e.; calcium, magnesium, silica) which will cause problems if allowed to deposit inside the turbine or pipes if not removed.

Nika is right though about reverse osmosis, it is how we purify water in the Corps. And that stuff is so pure you have to add ash to keep the acidity down.

But and this is important, just deionising the water will not help you. Unless it is extremely pure to start with. If you are using well water, or your city water has high levels of salt or fluoride or chlorine, deionising will not remove these items in and of it self.

Here is a chart of a RO device, not that deionizing is last.

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Racer Nika (Racernika)
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Post Number: 93
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Monday, October 27, 2003 - 7:32 am:   

The water sterilizer works by causing the water to evaporate and go thru a series of filters. Basically it's distilled water after.

yes - she's a registered nurse but trys natural ways to cure things.....no aluminum cookware - the aluminum can cause Alzeimers, careful with lead inks in newspapers...no pop tarts or anything with red food coloring. It was tough as a kid.

I can't remember the last time I had antibiotics. BUT I can tell you when I tweeked my knee recently she put some compress on it that made it much better....I just learned to never ask what the ingredients are!
Dave Janes (Sparetireless)
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Post Number: 184
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Monday, October 27, 2003 - 12:58 am:   

The DI (Deionized) tanks run the regular tap water over a resin bead bed and all the ions are stripped out, the net result is pure water, it leaves no spots so you don't have to wipe it down. It keeps total ion count below 50 parts per million.
Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
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Post Number: 913
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 8:43 pm:   

Holistic nurse? Frightening!!! Ever take an antibiotic?

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Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
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Post Number: 446
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 7:58 pm:   

You've never had a pop tart?! Crazy talk.
Racer Nika (Racernika)
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Post Number: 91
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 7:52 pm:   

Dave I have a water sterilizer for home use......it works great and ensures I have safe drinking water. What can I say - my Mom was a holistic nurse and I never did try Kool Aid or a Pop Tart.
Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
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Post Number: 912
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 5:30 pm:   

If you had put "to wash my 348" in the title it would not have been. As it is, I thought you wanted to drink it.

But also, how does "de-ionizing" water not leave spots? Only water that is only 100% h20 will guaranteed not leave a spot. Which would basically have to be distilled h20.

DrS
Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
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Username: Ralessi

Post Number: 444
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 4:51 pm:   

A lot of people who keep saltwater fish tanks do this. I think a cheap one runs about 100 or so if you assemble it.
Dave Janes (Sparetireless)
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Username: Sparetireless

Post Number: 182
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 3:46 pm:   

Seems like my thread got moved to this section, De-Ionized water is used by detailers and car dealers to wash the cars and you do not have to dry them off. It leaves no spots. Does anyone have this set up at home to wash you car with? If so how did you do it and what did you spend?
PeterS (Peters)
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Username: Peters

Post Number: 1656
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 1:02 pm:   

Check out http://www.aquaticreefsystems.com/Reverse_Osmosis_Water_Treatment.htm
Dave Janes (Sparetireless)
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Username: Sparetireless

Post Number: 181
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 2:21 am:   

Is this affordable to get the bottles for home use? What is the cost and sizes to get etc??

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