| Author | Message | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 2169 Registered: 5-2001 |
Hubert, your comment on the phosphoric acid in soda reminds me.....I had a friend that worked in the Safeway bottling plant making soda pop, and recalled spilling some of the phosphoric acid on the concrete floor while adding it into the mix...by the time they got a mop to clean it up, it had eaten right into the floor! Granted, it is much diluted in the soft drinks...but egads...it IS acid! :-) | ||
| djmonk (Davem)
Member Username: Davem Post Number: 469 Registered: 1-2002 |
Hugh. Yeah uh thats what i was trying to say. But seriously folks i sell tanker loads of this stuff an poppa wants a new car. So drink up!! | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1622 Registered: 1-2002 |
djmonk: it's two sided: the Na naturally makes you thirsty b/c it creates and a hypertonic environment in your cells (sucks fluid out), but also caffiene is a diuretic, and irritates your kidneys; hence, promoting urine excretion. So, it sucks out your cellular fluid, and motivates the pump to flush them out. | ||
| djmonk (Davem)
Member Username: Davem Post Number: 466 Registered: 1-2002 |
Jon. The sodium in the soda is what makes you thirsty for it. That an the caffiene. If i have a soda in front of me versus a bottled water guess which one gets finished first. | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Intermediate Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 1143 Registered: 8-2001 |
It never ceases to amaze me how much knowledge is on this board. With the collective wisdom on this board I think we could solve some real world problems. Back to the soda issue. I have at times cut out soda for weeks at a time and I have to say I do feel a bit better so there is some truth to what Will is saying. In my case it's like a habit....similar to smoking with other people. I am not even thristy half the time but if I am watching tv or reading I have to have a coke can nearby. I do drink quite a bit of water, especially when I excercise. I recently started drinking Propel water which is made by Gatorade. It's flavored water but has only 30 calories vs. 150+ for regular gatorade. I have tried tea but I like my tea with sugar (or honey) and milk and most days I just don't have the time to make a cup of tea. I think cutting out soda right now will be tough since I have cut out most of the other bad stuff. I am going to try to cut back...then later cut it out all together. Thanks for all the input folks...I now know more about drinking Diet Coke than the folks at Coca Cola know. Regards, Jon | ||
| djmonk (Davem)
Member Username: Davem Post Number: 464 Registered: 1-2002 |
I used Coke to clean the battery terminals on my Fiat, back in my school daze. Scary thing is it worked. So no its not good for your teeth or stomach. | ||
| Sean Ruckel (Sruckel)
Junior Member Username: Sruckel Post Number: 248 Registered: 10-2001 |
I just went to the dentist about two weeks ago, and had a similar question about sodas and teeth. I switched from Coke to Diet Coke about 3 years ago when I felt like the sugar was rotting my teeth and I assumed that Diet would be no problem. I was a bit surprised when my dentist told me I had "Coke Pits". Here's what I was told about diet soda... Regular soda causes your teeth to go into decay mode for about 30 minutes. Diet soda still causes decay mode, even without the sugar, but only for about 15 minutes. I was told that basically anything carbonated is acidic and potentially harmful to your teeth. The best thing if you drink any soda is to drink some water as well to help wash away the soda. After seeing a worried look on my face, in the end, he said to not stress about it and that my teeth would be fine. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1619 Registered: 1-2002 |
Jon: I work as a molecular pharmacologist, and I commented on the same topic in the "organic food" threa. So, I work in the field, but I can't give you specific medical advice, per se. Phenylalanine (the amino acid said be harmful in art. sweeteners; i.e., aspertame, nutrasweet, etc), has published 30 yr. long chronic studies that have shown no increase in the probability of developing tumors/cancer in various mammals, and human studies; however, everything is dose dependant, and at a high enough concentration anything is toxic -- even water. Further, phenylalanine is a naturally occuring amino acid, and every individuals metabolism is different, so there will always be individual differences in chronic use b/w two individuals. There are metabolic disorders associated with phenylalanine, but none (that I'm aware) that can be associated to the consumption of phenylalanine. At any rate, what would concern me more, is the effect of all the caffine your ingesting upon your kidneys, liver and renal system at large -- not to mention Soda's pretty acidic , and that has an effect on your stomach lining. If anything, I'd lower your intake overall, and try supplementing with water, but the combination of a diuretic (caffiene) and water will send you to the bathroom all day long. Yours, A fellow diet soda junkie. | ||
| Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Intermediate Member Username: Enzo Post Number: 1228 Registered: 2-2002 |
This MR Green is nothing but sour AssPiss.  | ||
| Gary Green (Mr_green)
Junior Member Username: Mr_green Post Number: 63 Registered: 10-2003 |
At least I'm not a name dropper like you! P.S. I bought Frank Stallone car! | ||
| Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Advanced Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 3475 Registered: 4-2002 |
CRAP JON...YOU GOT ME...THOUGHT ANOTHER GREEN POST  DIET DR PEPPER FOR ME........... | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 2161 Registered: 5-2001 |
Jon, I too drink a lot of diet soft drinke; diet Pepsi, diet Coke and my favorite, diet Mountain Dew! Between three and five per day, the greatest risk is from all the caffiene (according to my DR friends), but even that is pretty limited since it takes two (mountain dew) to three cans of diet soda to equal the caffiene in a cup of coffee. Don't worry, be happy. I figure drinking diet soda is better than lugging 20 or 30 extra lbs around on your frame. And remember, meat and grease are not bad, those pesky carbs are! :-) | ||
| Tyler (Bahiaau)
Intermediate Member Username: Bahiaau Post Number: 1142 Registered: 12-2001 |
MrDigital http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blasp.htm Jon, just about anything(including water) is unhealthy in massive quantities. It sounds like you lead a healthly lifestyle. I wouldn't worry to much about it. BobD, right on! | ||
| mrdigital (Mrdigital)
New member Username: Mrdigital Post Number: 37 Registered: 7-2002 |
SORRY THIS IS SO LONG I COULD NOT FIND THE LINK FDA ISSUING FOR COLLUSION WITH MONSANTO Article written by Nancy Markle (1120197) I have spent several days lecturing at the WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE on "ASPARTAME marketed as 'NutraSweet', 'Equal', and 'Spoonful"'. In the keynote address by the EPA, they announced that there was an epidemic of multiple sclerosis and systemic lupus, and they did not understand what toxin was causing this to be rampant across the United States. I explained that I was there to lecture on exactly that subject. When the temperature of Aspartame exceeds 86 degrees F, the wood alcohol in ASPARTAME converts to formaldehyde and then to formic acid, which in turn causes metabolic acidosis. (Formic acid is the poison found in the sting of fire ants). The methanol toxicity mimics multiple sclerosis; thus people were being diagnosed with having multiple sclerosis in error. The multiple sclerosis is not a death sentence, where methanol toxicity is. In the case of systemic lupus, we are finding it has become almost as rampant as multiple sclerosis, especially with Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi drinkers. Also, with methanol toxicity, the victims usually drink three to four 12oz. cans of them per day, some even more. In the cases of systemic lupus, which is triggered by ASPARTAME, the victim usually does not know that the aspartame is the culprit. The victim continues its use aggravating the lupus to such a degree, that sometimes it becomes life threatening. When we get people off the aspartame, those with systemic lupus usually become symptomatic. Unfortunately, we cannot reverse this disease. On the other hand, in the case of those diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis,(when in reality, the disease is methanoltoxicity), most of the symptoms disappear. We have seen cases where their vision has returned and even their hearing has returned. This also applies to cases of tinnitus. During a lecture I said "If you are using ASPARTAME (NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, etc.) and you suffer from fibromyalgia symptoms, spasms, shooting pains, numbness in your legs, cramps, vertigo, dizziness, headaches, tinnitus, joint pain, depression, anxiety attacks, slurred speech,blurred vision, or memory loss-you probably have ASPARTAME DISEASE!" People were jumping up during the lecture saying, "I've got this, is it reversible?" It is rampant. Some of the speakers at my lecture even were suffering from these symptoms. In one lecture attended by the Ambassador of Uganda, he told us that their sugar industry is adding aspartame! He continued by saying that one of the industry leader's son could no longer walk - due in part by product usage! We have a very serious problem. Even a stranger came up to Dr. Espisto (one of my speakers) and myself and said, 'Could you tell me why so many people seem to be coming down with MS? During a visit to a hospice, a nurse said that six of her friends, who were heavy Diet Coke addicts, had all been diagnosed with MS. This is beyond coincidence. Here is the problem. There were Congressional Hearings when aspartame was included in 100 different products. Since this initial hearing, there have been two subsequent hearings, but to no avail. Nothing has been done. The drug and chemical lobbies have very deep pockets. Now there are over 5,000 products containing this chemical, and the PATENT HAS EXPIRED!!!!! At the time of this first hearing, people were going blind. The methanol in the aspartame converts to formaldehyde in the retina of the eye. Formaldehyde is grouped in the same class of drugs as cyanide and arsenic DEADLY POISONS!!! Unfortunately, it just takes longer to quietly kill, but it is killing people and causing all kinds of neurological problems. Aspartame changes the brain's chemistry. It is the reason for severe seizures. This drug changes the dopamine level in the brain. Imagine what this drug does to patients suffering from Parkinson's Disease. This drug also causes Birth Defects.There is absolutely no reason to take this product. It is NOT A DIET PRODUCT!!! The Congressional record said, "It makes you crave carbohydrates and will make you FAT". Dr. Roberts stated that when he got patients off aspartame, their average weight loss was 19 pounds per person. The formaldehyde stores in the fat cells, particularly in the hips and thighs. Aspartame is especially deadly for diabetics. All physicians know what wood alcohol will do to a diabetic. We find that physicians believe that they have patients with retinopathy, when in fact, it is caused by the aspartame. The aspartame keeps the blood sugar level out of control, causing many patients to go into a coma. Unfortunately, many have died. People were telling us at the Conference of the American College of Physicians,that they had relatives that switched from saccharin to an aspartame product and how that relative had eventually gone into a coma. Their physicians could not get the blood sugar levels under control. Thus, the patients suffered acute memory loss and eventually coma and death. Memory loss is due to the fact that aspartic acid and phenylalanine are neurotoxic without the other amino acids found in protein. Thus it goes past the blood brain barrier and deteriorates the neurons of the brain. Dr. Russell Blaylock, neurosurgeon, said, "The ingredients stimulate the neurons of the brain to death, causing brain damage of varying degrees. Dr. Blaylock has written a book entitled EXCITOTOXINS: THE TASTE THAT KILLS (Health Press 1-800-643-2665). Dr. H.J. Roberts, diabetic specialist and world expert on aspartame poisoning, has also written a book entitled DEFENSE AGAINST ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE (1-800-814-9800). Dr. Roberts tells how aspartame poisoning is escalating Alzheimer's Disease, and indeed it is. As the hospice nurse told me, women are being admitted at 30 years of age with Alzheimer's Disease. Dr. Blaylock and Dr.Roberts will be writing a position paper with some case histories and will post it on the Internet. According to the Conference of the AmericanCollegeofPhysicians, 'We are talking about a plague of neurological diseases caused by this deadly poison". Dr. Roberts realized what was happening when aspartame was first marketed. He said, "his diabetic patients presented memory loss, confusion, and severe vision loss". At the Conference of the American College of Physicians, doctors admitted that they did not know. They had wondered why seizures were rampant (the phenylalanine in aspartame breaks down the seizure threshold and depletes serotonin, which causes manic depression, panic attacks, rage and violence). Just before the Conference, I received a FAX from Norway, asking for a possible antidote for this poison because they are experiencing so many problems in their country. This "poison" is now available in 90 PLUS countries worldwide.Fortunately,we had speakers and ambassadors at the Conference from different nations who have pledged their help. We ask that you help too. Print this article out and warn everyone you know. Take anything that contains aspartame back to the store. Take the "NO ASPARTAME TEST" and sendus your case history. I assure you that MONSANTO, the creator of aspartame, knows how deadly it is.They fund the American Diabetes Association, American Dietetic Association, Congress, and the Conference of the American College of Physicians. The New York Times, on November 15, 1996, ran an article on how the American Dietetic Association takes money from the food industry to endorse their products.Therefore, they cannot criticize any additives or tell about their link to MONSANTO. How bad is this? We told a mother who had a child on NutraSweet to get off the product. The child was having grand mal seizures every day. The mother called her physician, who called the ADA, who told the doctor not to take the child off the NutraSweet. We are still trying to convince the mother that the aspartame is causingthe seizures. Every time we get someone off of aspartame, the seizures stop.If the baby dies, you know whose fault it is, and what we are up against.There are 92 documented symptoms of aspartame, from coma to death. The majority of them are all neurological,because the aspartamedestroys the nervous system. Aspartame Disease is partially the cause to what is behind some of the mystery of the Desert Storm health problems (Gulf War Syndrome). The burning tongue and other problems discussed in over 60 cases can be directly related to the consumption of an aspartame product. Several thousand pallets of diet drinks were shipped to the Desert Storm troops.(Remember heat can liberate the methanol from the aspartame at 86 degrees F). Diet drinks sat in the 120 degree F. Arabian sun for weeks at a time on pallets. The service men and women drank them all day long. All of their symptoms are identical to aspartame poisoning. Dr. Roberts says "consuming aspartame at the time of conception can cause birth defects". The phenylalanine concentrates in the placenta, causing mental retardation, according to Dr. Louis Elsas, Pediatrician Professor - Genetics, at Emory University in his testimony before Congress. In the original lab tests, animals developed brain tumors (phenylalanine breaks down into DXP, a brain tumor agent). When Dr. Espisto was lecturing on aspartame, one physician in the audience, a neurosurgeon, said, "when they remove brain tumors, they have found high levels of Aspartame in them". Stevia, a sweet herb, NOT AN ADDITIVE, which helps in the metabolism of sugar, which would be ideal for diabetics, has now been approved as a dietary supplement by the F.D.A.For years, the F.D.A. has outlawed this sweet food because of their loyalty to MONSANTO.If it says "SUGAR FREE" on the label-DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!! Senator Howard Hetzenbaum wrote a bill that would have warned all infants,pregnant mothers and children of the dangers of aspartame.The bill would have also instituted independent studies on the problems existing in the population (seizures, changes in brain chemistry, changes in neurological and behavioral symptoms).It was killed by the powerful drug and chemical lobbies, letting loose the hounds of disease and death on an unsuspecting public. | ||
| Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Intermediate Member Username: Enzo Post Number: 1224 Registered: 2-2002 |
Pop can cause havoc on your teeth over a great period of time. Don't ask how I know but my DDS is sitting on a beach somewhere buying drinks on me. | ||
| Mark (Marvellous_mark)
New member Username: Marvellous_mark Post Number: 50 Registered: 12-2002 |
isn't drinking that much coke pretty bad for your teeth? Not sure about other health issues though... | ||
| Ryan Sabga (Sherpa23)
Junior Member Username: Sherpa23 Post Number: 226 Registered: 5-2003 |
Dan, I had heard of that. That was why I stopped drinking soda 10 years ago. | ||
| Dom Vitarella (Dom)
Member Username: Dom Post Number: 520 Registered: 11-2002 |
Oh boy, I can use my "expertise" as a toxicologist... Nutrasweet is a controversial subject. When I was in graduate school, I attended a series of lectures by a scientist named Dr. John Olney, who is very very much against nutrasweet and MSG (they are actually very similar in that they are both excitatory amino acids). He claimed that they caused lesions in the brain. However, in hindsight, I believe he may have been a little biased. Yes, both nutrasweet and msg contain excitatory amino acids that will destry brain cells, HOWEVER, they do not readily cross the blood brain barrier, and therefore are not really of major concern to most adults. My issue with these compounds is with administration to children. The blood brain barrier is not fully developed until about 3 years of age. So, when you give your kid a bowl of cambells soup (MSG), and a diet coke (nutrasweet), you MAY be at higher risk. Dom | ||
| Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
Member Username: Drstranglove Post Number: 930 Registered: 4-2003 |
If its bad, Im a gonner....... DrS | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 3434 Registered: 2-2001 |
Jon, I also drank Diet Coke for years despite the naysayers. Recently I started getting a nauseous feeling like a pinched nerve down my left leg. I thought it was from my 11 yr old back injury I got while skiing or rather falling I have been going to a chiropractor for a while now. I asked him about Diet Coke & he said he was surprised the FDA approved nutrasweet & that it affects a lot of people. Some people get headaches instantly. Other people like us seem to get symptoms later. A Dr friend of mine said it might cause Lupus which is when the body breaks down its own tissue. So ever since i stopped drinking Diet Coke that nauseous feeling in my leg has gone away. Try a week or 2 without it & see how you feel. To replace it drink water or try Arizona Iced Tea which uses Splenda which is a natural sugar that the human body doesnt accumulate like regular sugar. Good Luck, | ||
| DanPic (Danp)
Junior Member Username: Danp Post Number: 57 Registered: 2-2002 |
Jon, While I do not have an answer concerning the Nutrasweet (or other replacement sugars in diet soda), I can (sort of) point you in one research direction that shows sodas are bad. Do a google search, or search within a specific medical journal, on soda carbonation and the health risks assocaited. This is the area I am aware of this is "bad" for you. The carbonation apparently causes some sort of of blood/oxygen/enzyme/calcium combo-problem (I'm not a medical person at all) that over time can greatly increase the risks of all sorts of bone related fraility issues and other problems. All said, this hasn't stopped me from drinking them regularly. - Dan | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 1616 Registered: 3-2001 |
Diet Coke has aspartane... supposedly it has some health risks (but what doesn't???). We no longer do Sweet n Low or Equal at our house. We're using something called Splenda. I'm sure they'll eventually find that Splenda causes cancer in mice when they take 700 hits a day. We've moved from Diet Coke to Diet Rite (remember that?). Diet Rite uses Splenda and we really like the taste! Diet RC also uses Splenda. BTW, you guys who are not drinkers of alcohol are taking a serious health risk. It's proven that two glasses of red wine at night is the healthiest thing you can do! | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 994 Registered: 2-2002 |
Jon, I'm with you. Diet Coke is my vice. No drinking or smoking. But I don't think it's going to kill you. I doubt that you'll get diabetes with your lifestyle because you have cut out most sugar and sweets and don't overeat, etc. Watch the carbs and you should be okay. | ||
| Ryan Sabga (Sherpa23)
Junior Member Username: Sherpa23 Post Number: 225 Registered: 5-2003 |
Jon, The biggest concern with drinking diet coke are the artificial colours and added gook. We were always told by the nutritionists at the Olympic Training Center to stay away from brown soda although since I never drank soda, I forgot the reason why. At any rate, the caffeine is a problem because in such high amounts it can cause a slowing of the metabolism (in some people) and the sodium in the drink can cause you retain much of the junk in your system. | ||
| fanatic (Fanatic1)
Member Username: Fanatic1 Post Number: 553 Registered: 2-2003 |
Jon, Why worry........enjoy life....it sounds like you have very few "vices".......If you like diet soda drink it.....last I checked were all gonna die around 70 - 80........no ones living forever.....sounds like you have a healthy lifestyle......when it's your time, it's your time. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 3214 Registered: 1-2002 |
I would suspect that any chemical, taken in large amounts over a long period, can be harmful. Why not try some tea? However, congrats on losing weight! I'm sure that will really help you in the new Torque Monster race car of yours! | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Intermediate Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 1142 Registered: 8-2001 |
Ok folks I am posting a "Gary Green" question. I don't drink alcohol, smoke, or eat much sweet (read sugar) stuff and I recently lost 20 pounds and have cut out most of my bad stuff (anything with grease or meat). The one think I can't seem to cut out is my soda. I don't drink coffee or tea so soda is my morning coffee. Problem is I drink tons of the stuff. I whip through a 24 pack in two days easily and am starting to become concerned about it. I have been drinking soda pop for the past 15+ years. All of it Diet stuff with Nutrasweet. Some doctors have told me that it's not really healthy in the case of nutrition but that it isn't really bad for you. Others swear it causes cancer, diabetes leading to blindness and all sorts of other conditions. For those of you who are medically informed, or just have an opinion...... Do I need to worry about this??? Please no stupid jokes about dead brain cells.....I already have plenty of those! Regards, Jon P. Kofod 1995 F355 Challenge #23 www.flatoutracing.net |