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Amir (Amir)
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Post Number: 349
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 11:47 am:   

Rosso,
You are correct in that the grand jury has returned a not guilty verdict. From the same article:
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Tran's family has already filed an excessive force claim with the city, and supporters are hoping federal authorities will begin an investigation into whether Tran's civil rights were violated.

"We're going to seek federal involvement in this case," Asian Law Alliance Director Richard Konda said.
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Doesn't look to me like it's over...
Rosso (Redhead)
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Post Number: 579
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 10:21 am:   

Amir-

quote:

In a town near you, two kids will be going to sleep tonight, missing their mother. She was shot dead by one of your cop friends. Pointlessly, as it turns out. The trial begins soon. Yes, I looked it up--the internet's amazing that way.




Yeah it is! http://www.nbc11.com/news/2597359/detail.html
Guess it is time you use it. He was cleared.

For what it is worth, I am not insecure in anyway, shape or form. But, it is funny how my one or two lines statements seem to send you over the edge. Lets talk about insecurity. Now, get back to the books, so you can graduate one day and become someone finally.

BTW-I did have a great nights sleep! Thank you for the well wishes.
Telson (Pitbull_trader)
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Post Number: 218
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 9:04 am:   

bush liar liar

Just like with the Vietnam war, once again the government is whistling in the dark. Bush sees progress in every terrorist attack. "The more successful we are on the ground, the more these killers react," he said recently. In that case, recent events put the United States on the lip of victory. Suicide bombings killed or wounded more than 250 Iraqi civilians, and a Baghdad deputy mayor was assassinated. Another week like this and the enemy will have had it.

LOL

"Bend it like Cheney

James Zogby
Wednesday October 29, 2003
The Guardian

Polling evidence shows most Iraqis have a negative view of the US-led occupation. Spinning the figures to suggest otherwise won't help."

continued:


http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0%2C2763%2C1073049%2C00.html

CNN

"General: 3-6 GIs die each week in Iraq
Guerrillas becoming more lethal, complex, tenacious, he says

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- An average of three to six Americans are killed each week in Iraq and another 40 are wounded by a foe that has become more lethal and sophisticated since the fall of Baghdad in April, the commander of coalition forces said.

U.S. soldiers are facing 15 to 20 attacks a day, including roadside bombs, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez said Thursday. Seven to 10 attacks a day involve small groups of fighters. "

continued:


http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/10/02/sprj.irq.casualties.ap/index.html



USA Today

Posted 10/22/2003 12:22 PM Updated 10/22/2003 1:50 PM

U.S. commander: Iraq attacks on troops up
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) �

Iraqi insurgents have stepped up attacks on U.S. troops in recent weeks, the commander of American forces said Wednesday, as ambush bombers struck again in this tense Sunni Muslim area west of Baghdad, in the northern city of Mosul and in the heart of the capital.

In Fallujah, witnesses said four Americans were carried away on stretchers after a roadside bomb exploded beside a three-vehicle convoy. The U.S. military in Baghdad had no report on the incident.

After the attack, residents cheered and swarmed over one disabled vehicle, looting its contents and setting it afire. It was the third attack against American troops in the Fallujah area in as many days.

"The number of wounded and the number of engagements in last three weeks have been a little bit higher than we've seen before," Sanchez said. "We've had an average number of engagements from 20 to 25 (daily). We've seen a spike up to 35 in last three weeks."

continued:


http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-10-22-iraq-casulties_x.htm
JohnR. (Rivee)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 8:40 am:   

Unbelievable.

That's all I can say.

How many of you on the left have been to Iraq since we invaded it?

Do you have first hand knowledge on how the Iraqi people feel or think?

I know someone who HAS been there recently and believe me, he saw it first hand, and was throughly impressed with the new infrastructure being built by the AMERICANS!

He said that 95% of the Iraqi people are glad we are there and hope we don't just "Hit and run" like last time. They WANT us there PERIOD!

Haven't you seen the recent video tapes of Sadamm's henchmen and the torturing of their own citizens?

I guess we should have let Sadamm carry on with it.

How do you know that there wasn't a connection between Sadamm and terrorists? Because you haven't seen any proof? Do you think our government should show YOU all our intelligence?

When was the UN going to act upon it's threatening of Sadamm? After the 18th resolution? Or maybe the 46th one?

What bothers me more than anything is that the press like "Newsweek" has no business printing garbage like they have done here. If you have differences with the administration that's one thing. But to be a professional journalist you're supposed to be "open minded" and print the truth, not your own personal attacks against a wartime president. This garbage serves only one purpose that I can see, and thats to attempt to derail the current president.

Wonder what our troops think of this as they're risking their lives so that scumbag magazines like NEWSWEEK can have the freedom to print what they do.

Telson (Pitbull_trader)
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Post Number: 214
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 7:43 am:   

Bush endless war


Kiyoharu: "1. Stop defending everything that Israel does to the Palestinians or it's neighbors.

2. When a UN resolution condemning Israel or ordering Israel to stop it's actions on Palestinian civilians or their neighboring countries, don't veto it.

3. Stop with the so-called pre-emptive actions against sovereign nations (particularly neighbors of Israel) over some dubious or shady intel that has yet to be proven true by a third party.

4. Stop imposing your will over countries that you don't agree with.

5. Stop proclaiming yourselves as the good guys trying to save the world and everyone else as the bad guys trying to ruin it. We're not buying this 'Good vs Evil' shiznit."

========================

Amir: "there was no connection between terrorism and Iraq. No more than Sweden has a connection with terrorism. Noone has a problem with fighting terrorism. It's the selling of the invasion of Iraq as a fight against terror that rubs us the wrong way. Evidently, you buy into this. Most people don't.

What makes you think that invading Iraq would positively affect America's battle with Al Qa'eda? If anything, it will have a negative effect. I hear hundreds if not thousands are streaming into Iraq to fight against the Americans. And I hear that thousands of Iraqi youth are getting embittered and vowing to take up arms against Americans. People who bore no ill-will against America before the invasion."


Exactly !

Hai ! Honto ni so desu nee !

As for the crazy "doctrine" of pre-emptive wars based on nothing but lies, just look at Russia going absolutely crazy right now, it's only half a year ago or so that Putin released his new military doctrine that reserves the right to military pre-emptive strikes, with the justification that if this is the norm in the day and age of George W. Bush, that then Russia reserves the right to the exact same strategy.

Add in Russias new nuclear weapon plans, any amount of tin pot dictators who will welcome this new "doctrine" as well, a USA totally over extended in its Iraq quagmire, Al Qaeda left to its own devices as Bush chose to ignore a very real threat and go off on a private family vendetta, and, hey, it's welcome to a brave new world !


Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 7:23 am:   

Of course MFZ you could also add that arab countries need to leave the 14th century
politically and socially. Malaysia included.
luciano favero (Ontogenetic1007)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 3:03 am:   

Horsefly (Arlie)

>So tell me Art, how many Iraqi citizens have the American occupation troops detained and murdered,

entire generations - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22iraq+sanctions%22+children



>NEVER to be seen again by their relatives and loved ones? I believe the number was in the THOUSANDS
>under Saddam's government. What good is food on the table when it may be your LAST SUPPER?

Arlie, the avg Iraqi eats better than the avg North American (apologies, your country is nameless).

http://www.obesity.org/education/global.shtml



>American efforts to liberate them from tyranny and torture

http://www.mcdonalds.com/warm/compassionate/smiles



Paul Loussia (Bumboola)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 2:00 am:   

Right on.
Amir (Amir)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 1:57 am:   

Words to live by.
MFZ (Kiyoharu)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 1:54 am:   

How the US should fight terrorism

1. Stop defending everything that Israel does to the Palestinians or it's neighbors.

2. When a UN resolution condemning Israel or ordering Israel to stop it's actions on Palestinian civilians or their neighboring countries, don't veto it.

3. Stop with the so-called pre-emptive actions against sovereign nations (particularly neighbors of Israel) over some dubious or shady intel that has yet to be proven true by a third party.

4. Stop imposing your will over countries that you don't agree with.

5. Stop proclaiming yourselves as the good guys trying to save the world and everyone else as the bad guys trying to ruin it. We're not buying this 'Good vs Evil' shiznit.

I bet I'd get flamed pretty bad over these suggestions.


Amir (Amir)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 1:37 am:   

Well, here's the problem with what you are saying, John...there was no connection between terrorism and Iraq. No more than Sweden has a connection with terrorism. Noone has a problem with fighting terrorism. It's the selling of the invasion of Iraq as a fight against terror that rubs us the wrong way. Evidently, you buy into this. Most people don't.

What makes you think that invading Iraq would positively affect America's battle with Al Qa'eda? If anything, it will have a negative effect. I hear hundreds if not thousands are streaming into Iraq to fight against the Americans. And I hear that thousands of Iraqi youth are getting embittered and vowing to take up arms against Americans. People who bore no ill-will against America before the invasion.

I don't understand why you keep referring to the left. It's not a left/right or Republican/Democrat or dove/hawk issue. I don't think anyone has a problem with fighting terrrorism. I certainly don't. Invading a country under false premises, though, I do have a problem with. As do most people who can see that it was all done on the basis of a very expensive and carefully orchestrated and pointless lie.

It's a lie that's getting soldiers killed needlessly. And bogging America down into a mess just like Israel.

The Iraqis are not better off today. They are worse off. Only Halliburton and a few others are better off. And no, we didn't go in there to free Iraqis. So stop bringing that up. This is not related to the war on terror except in Bush's mind. Since you seem to agree that it is part of the fight against terror, tell me how? It's a bit absurd to keep bringing up the war on terror in the context of Iraq unless you can cite some evidence. Can you?

Also, I apologize about the name-calling earlier. But what on earth are bluechips???!!!
JohnR. (Rivee)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 1:20 am:   

It's amazing how brilliant the left can be.

Here's how the "intellectually superior" left would fight terrorism in 5 easy steps:

1. Pull out of Iraq because it's too expensive

2. Bash Bush so the terrorists can see how much smarter the left is and will run away.

3. Sit down and just "Talk" to them in a peaceful manner.

4. Open our borders to show them that we care, and welcome them in.

5. Provide them with government assisted medical care, assisted housing, welfare, medicare, social security benefits, medical leave benefits, paid maternity leave, minimum wage, unemployment insurance benefits, free prescription drugs, promises of large settlements in frivolous lawsuits, and more.

So what's the problem?

1. Pull out of Iraq will definately scare the terrorists away.

2.Bashing Bush won't help, but just feels too good to pass up.

3. I've heard that if you can sit them down and tell them to just stop the terror, it may just work.

4. Opening our borders will show them that we are definately in good faith.

5. Why not? The rich will pay for it!

It's a brilliant plan I must say. Although I haven't heard any of them actually say it, or anything else that made sense, for that matter, about how to fix terrorism. All I've heard is what we're doing wrong, day after day after day.
Amir (Amir)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 1:07 am:   

John, I thought I would be polite and edit it out. I did this before you posted your reply.

MFZ, sorry to put you in this position. I had called him a moron in my post at first. And I suppose he feels grossly insulted and is now focused on that instead of on the crap that he wrote.

John, I am not chicken. Decided the name calling was a knee-jerk reaction and too offensive. So I edited it out. It's quite funny how you are taking it. What are bluechips?

JohnR. (Rivee)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 12:44 am:   

MFZ, he edited his post!!

Too much.....

Hey amir, what happened to your post? Where did the "Moron" part go? You little chicken sh--.

No Balls?, No bluechips!
Randall (Randall)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 11:39 pm:   

Gabe-
I didn't realize those were Iraqi soldiers flying planes on 9/11. You should call the CIA and let them in on your intel.
Amir (Amir)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 11:25 pm:   

Hey Rosso,
is it possible that *you* don't know everything?
Is it just remotely possible that it makes you feel horribly insecure?
Is it remotely possible that your insecurity causes you to try and lash out at anything I post?
Is it remotely possible that you end up looking like a fool every time you do?
Is it possible that you are wrong in thinking that I think I know everything?
Is it possible... the mind boggles.

In a town near you, two kids will be going to sleep tonight, missing their mother. She was shot dead by one of your cop friends. Pointlessly, as it turns out. The trial begins soon. Yes, I looked it up--the internet's amazing that way. Sweet dreams, my grammatically-challenged friend.
Gabe V (Racerxgto)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 10:37 pm:   

The demos at Newsweek are at it again.

You should be asking, "Is 87 billion enough?"

What do the terrorist attacks cost us so far? Where are the bean counters, the investigative journalists out there trying to get us an accurate cost on 9-11? What's that total cost compared to how much we have to spend? I mean we spent $20 billion alone in help for New York City. One of the costs of 9/11 is the bankruptcy and near bankruptcy of the airlines. There's been a loss of tax revenue because of economic slowdown, the loss of businesses, the cost of homeland security has gone sky high. That power failure just a few months ago had A range of 5 and $8 billion. I'll bet the war on terrorism has cost a lot more than that, you know, if you want to put this in economic terms, is $87 billion, too much? You ought to look at 87 billion, compared to what we spend, the aggregate total on social programs in this country, I mean it's ridiculous, the reaction this figure has gotten.

Do you remember the Farm Bill?, the farm bill had this provision in it to handle disasters when they happened, like droughts and this sort of thing. Yeah, the farm bill and everybody was talking about how expensive that was, you had Tom Daschle defending it tooth and nail, 80 billion for the farm bill. Where was NEWSWEEK's coverpage on the "Does America need the Farm Bill?" These Dems are acting like this $87 billion is going to break America. I see nothing but extensive bickering and hatred for Bush, the man that is in all reality, defending this country. Your last leader couldn�t zip up his pants and focus on the real threat when he had the chance! The libs are out of control here, they don't want the 87 billion to be spent, they don't want the war on terror to succeed, they want us out of Iraq. I mean, in all that they're saying and doing I still don't see or hear anything inspirational, motivational, can-do, positive. It isn't there. They offer nothing of that sort.

Rosso (Redhead)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 10:03 pm:   

Hey Amir,

A-I won't call you a little prick or a moron. How am I to know either of you.

B-You always need to act like you know something we do not. Well, so be it. That was the point I was enlighting John on.

C-I knew the instant that I posted it, you would tear apart the punctuation in that, hence the lil'. Is it proper, maybe,maybe not, and your reply post was as expected.
God bless this country where I can mis-spell words and not give a flying .

Have a great night!
Cheers:-)
Horsefly (Arlie)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 10:02 pm:   

"We aren't providing them as well now, are we?"

So tell me Art, how many Iraqi citizens have the American occupation troops detained and murdered, NEVER to be seen again by their relatives and loved ones? I believe the number was in the THOUSANDS under Saddam's government. What good is food on the table when it may be your LAST SUPPER?

"If he (Saddam) was so bad, why hasn't someone turned him in to us? Surely someone would have done that by now, if he was so bad?

You're assuming of course that he is still alive. I suspect Saddam will turn up at a Tekrit music store after Elvis releases his next CD.


arthur chambers (Art355)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 9:21 pm:   

Average Iraqi? Change in government probably didn't effect them. Upper class Iraqi, maybe. Average guy, just wants food on the table, no crime, medical care. Saddam probably provided those pretty well. We aren't providing them as well now, are we?

If he was so bad, why hasn't someone turned him in to us? Surely someone would have done that by now, if he was so bad?

Art
Horsefly (Arlie)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 9:17 pm:   

"so daring with other people's lives. I consider that a shame, lives are precious, and they shouldn't be wasted on BS."

So are we to understand that the lives of the Iraqi people who were horribly oppressed under Sadam Hussein's regime are NOT precious and that our American efforts to liberate them from tyranny and torture are defined by Newsweek magazine as a "mess"?

I wonder if the average Iraqi, who no longer has to bow down to Saddam Hussein and his pack of thieves, would consider our efforts a "mess"?

Sounds like Newsweek, in typical liberal media fashion, has their usual (Democratic) agenda first and foremost in mind.

arthur chambers (Art355)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 9:14 pm:   

Dave:

You and I both know that the elections move in cycles. There are times that the right gets elected, and times when the left gets elected. Depends upon the circumstances, and the positions that they take. Both ends of the spectrum can get a little crazy, and if the party follows them, they lose.

For the last 8 years or so, the dems were middle of the road, and the repubs were controlled by the far right. The demos won a lot of offices because of that. Last election, the dems moved to the left, the repubs to the middle. repubs won. It now looks like the reubs are pandering to the right wing of their party, and their poll numbers are decreasing. Who knows which way they'll go before the 04 elections?

Cheers,

Art
arthur chambers (Art355)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 9:07 pm:   

Rive:

The toys are mine, and they were earned, not given to me. As for the screwing, you bet. I screwed everybody who damaged my clients, I did it with glee, because we were right, and they were wrong.

I don't care if your daddy served, my point is that those who haven't served, who haven't had to deal with those issues, are the ones who are so daring with other people's lives. I consider that a shame, lives are precious, and they shouldn't be wasted on BS. That's my complaint here. Let not get into personal insults, its not appropriate and it detracts from your logic, if any.

Art
MFZ (Kiyoharu)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 7:48 pm:   

Wait wait wait, Amir simply stated "Only problem with your logic is that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. It's sad that you think the money and lives have not been wasted.

And noone is bashing the soldiers. "


But you said "AMEX, I mean AMIR,

A Misguided Moron?

Our first date and you call me a "MORON" because I happen to disagree with you? You don't know how much that hurts me...."


I don't see him calling you a MORON anywhere.

William H (Countachxx)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 7:22 pm:   

Winston Churchill was invloved in WW1 I believe, Abe Lincoln was a soldier. Dont know about FDR
Amir (Amir)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 7:06 pm:   

Little prick Rosso, here's some tips for you...
It's don't, not dont, proved not prove, and the s in so should be capitalized, and the parentheses removed. Also, you need a period at the end of the sentence, and there's no need for a blank line after the salutation. Don't worry, though, I won't call you a moron.
JohnR. (Rivee)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 6:55 pm:   

arther, An Attorney>


Should have known....................

Are those really all your toys you listed and show in your profile?

Sure you didn't miss any?

That's a lot of screwing
Dave (Maranelloman)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 6:53 pm:   

Oh, I am sure that the leftists wil find some way to try to blame Mr. Bush for the savagery shown on Saddam's torture tapes, John... ;-)

By the way, good post to Amir. The lefties always prattle on about tolerance, but they are, BY FAR, the least tolerant folks when it comes to a point of view different from their own...and they are always the first to resort to name-calling.

And they wonder why they keep losing elections...
JohnR. (Rivee)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 6:50 pm:   

arther,

When did I serve?

What does that have to do with this discussion?

My Father served his country in 3 wars to protect our right to be free. Did he whine about it? Or expect every one above him to have served in the milirary? NO, and to this day never denounces his country for sending him to war. He did what had to be done at the time and is still alive today to talk about it.

I guess the video tapes shown recently from Sadamm's henchmen aren't alone worth the effort to free the Iraqi people?

Then what about the mass graves? Or the stashes of weapons easily obtainable by terrorists? Or the feelings of 98% of the Iraqui people. Or the fact that every human being has the right, given to them by God, to be FREE?

Do you not think that this world is a better place without Sadamm?

BTW, Was FDR in the military? What about Winston Churchill? Abraham Lincoln?

The only present day draft dodging person that I can think of who put Americans in harms way was Bill Clinton.
Rosso (Redhead)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 6:36 pm:   

JohnR-

Amir is always right. Dont worry...he prove you wrong. (so his lil' mind thinks)
JohnR. (Rivee)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 6:31 pm:   

AMEX, I mean AMIR,

A Misguided Moron?

Our first date and you call me a "MORON" because I happen to disagree with you? You don't know how much that hurts me.

Whatever happened to the "tolerence and diversity" garble people like you always spout? Not applicable when it comes to issues you don't agree with?

I can't believe that a LIBERAL (the guru's of righteousness) would stoop so low as to name calling.

If you disagree with me then thats fine because you have that right and the freedom in this country (thanks to the sacrafices of previous generations) to be an uninformed idiot.

But please, take your name calling talent and use it on your Grammer School buddies. Maybe they can "tolerate" it.

BTW is amir your first or last name?
Middle Eastern maybe?
arthur chambers (Art355)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 6:23 pm:   

Rivee:

When did you serve? I was in the Army 69 throuh 74. I never bashed the soldiers, I bashed the draft dodging pieces of crap that put them at risk. All of the brave people who would put these young guys at risk have never seen combat. Tells you something doesn't it?

Amir's right, 9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq, other than provide Bush with cover. The government has admitted there was no connection, any comments elsewhere is just another lie.

Art
Amir (Amir)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 5:48 pm:   

Only problem with your logic is that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. It's sad that you think the money and lives have not been wasted.

And noone is bashing the soldiers.
JohnR. (Rivee)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 5:37 pm:   

I guess we could sit back and do nothing like the previous administration and have lots of 9-11's.

What the hell are we supposed to do? Pull everyone out so the radical factions can then seize power and end up with something worse than what was there previously? Then they would have an entire country to recruit more terrorists from.

FYI 60+ billion is going to pay for OUR American soldiers who are over there risking their butts off, so you sit on yours and vocally bash them for protecting the very same ass.
Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 4:31 pm:   

Here is a prediction:

We have already spent $50B
We are trying to spend another $87B

The tab for the whole fiasco will be in the neighborhood of $500B over 5-9 years. $87B is only the second down payment!
arthur chambers (Art355)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 2:10 pm:   

If calling a spade a spade is bias, then so be it. However, if telling the truth, even when it hurts, is good journalism, then why are the conservatives bashing those who tell the truth? Maybe because they don't want to hear anything that differs from their own pre-conceived reality. Not a good way to run a railroad, if we want our lives to get better, and our kids to have a better world than we have, is it?

Art
DL (Darth550)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 11:56 am:   

Gotta be a scapegoat in there somewhere. Stay tuned for Cheney's STAGED heart attack and resignation.

Giving bad advice can be a b!tch.

DL
William H (Countachxx)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 11:47 am:   

I have a feeling this whole mess wont go well for Bush Jr
John A (Jarends)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 8:44 am:   

Amen brother,
I'm planning to write Newsweek and let them know just what I think of them and their bias.

They'll never print though.

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JohnR. (Rivee)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 8:35 am:   

And to think the right wingers keep saying that there's bios in the media! How ubsurd.
Telson (Pitbull_trader)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 6:47 am:   

newsweek

"Newsweek

Nov. 3 issue

By Howard Fineman
NEWSWEEK

What Will Iraq Cost Bush?

Even administration insiders are starting to worry about how the war will affect the president�s re-election chances. In New Hampshire, the omens aren�t reassuring.

Nov. 3 issue �

Hilary Cleveland of New London, N.H., goes way back with the Bush family.

Her late husband, James Colgate (Jimmy) Cleveland, was a Republican in Congress, where his paddle-ball partner in the House gym was George H.W. Bush.

Hilary served on the Andover board with Barbara Bush and was finance chair of Bush�s primary campaign in New Hampshire in 1980. She organized locally for George W. in 2000.

But the other day, upset over the war in Iraq, she left the Republican Party, changing her registration to �undeclared� so she could vote for Dr. Howard Dean in the Democratic primary in January.

�You don�t go to war without valid reason,� she said, �or international support.� Bush�s call for $87 billion in new spending on Iraq offended her Yankee sense of thrift: �I believe in fiscal integrity and balanced budgets, and spending so much doesn�t seem sound.�

continued:


Full Article:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/985284.asp?cp1=1

87 billion, will blow



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