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PSk (Psk)
Junior Member
Username: Psk
Post Number: 154
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 19, 2003 - 1:14 am: | |
Will be very interesting to see what happens when MS retires, along with all the top members of the team, ie. Todt, Brawn, etc.
I'll just enjoy it while it lasts, and I do hope it continues post MS.
Pete
BTW: In my opinion Ferrari stagnated or stuffed up with Irvine that year, because they did not believe he had the goods. People raise their game when they really believe it is possible ... |
Sean F (Agracer)
New member
Username: Agracer
Post Number: 11
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 3:03 pm: | |
"Ferrari are building fantastic cars, but MS's testing and continual strive for perfection are part of that. Look what happened when he broke his leg ... the car stagnated. "
The car did not stagnate. Ferrari did. Twice they screwed up Ervine's race in the pits. One he would have finished second (at worst third) but wound up 7th at the Nurburgring and at Silverstone, he could have won. This would have given him and extra 8 -points minimum at the last race and a 3rd place finish in Japan would have given him the title. He finished the title only 4-points behind MH.
MS is a great driver, but the cars he's had have been pretty good too. |
les brun (Labcars)
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Username: Labcars
Post Number: 30
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 7:37 am: | |
Gents, IMHO, F1 is a series where competitive advantage is measured in tenths, if not hundredths, of a second. All the teams, even the back markers, spend all they can in CAD/CAM engineering, carbon fibre manufacturing, and other VERY EXPENSIVE endeavors looking for that next tenth or hundredth. I looked real hard at buying a significant minority interest in Arrows two years ago, and was astounded that their annual budget was over $120 million a year. Ferrari's is, by all accounts, over $300 million a year. The way the rewards are set up in F1, the teams that do best get the most money, which in turn, gives them a continuing edge in their ability to spend more to get that next tenth advantage. It's sort of self fulling prophecy that they will again do better than those teams with less resources. If you put the fastest car in the front, granted with the best driver, it should most often win. If the equipment were equivalent, you could then argue that the best driver should/could win. So long as the situation remains as it is, then F1 will remain a procession for ferrari, and no matter how good MS is, some will always rightly speculate about whether it's the car or the driver. For better or worse, only BMW, Mercedes, and Toyota can spend as much as Ferrari, so if they step up, we may have four eight cars really racing, rather than the twenty four which F1 was intended to have. Yes, whoever wins could give those who own their street cars bragging rights, but bragging about what - that its team was able to outspend the others? I would prefer to see equally spec'd cars, ex of some modest tweaking, within a range, so that I could brag about my great driver, driving for my brand put it to the others on any given sunday. All that being said, I sure am looking to March to hear 18,000rpm going by! |
Gene Agatep (Gagatep)
Junior Member
Username: Gagatep
Post Number: 220
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 2:17 am: | |
Psk,
MS is special
so is Tiger for Golf
Kobe for Basketball or MJ
Let's enjoy their performance while it lasts
they do show the world what man is capable of
when they retire,
a newer and better breed will come - its just a matter of when |
Gene Agatep (Gagatep)
Junior Member
Username: Gagatep
Post Number: 219
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 2:12 am: | |
Mr D, I partialy agree with you that this type of dominance is not good for the sport but it is very very good for Ferrari's marquee (sp?)
this type of excellence is what makes us appreciate our cars even more - our street cars from the same genes of its thoroughbreds
looking back at the whole Ferrari racing history
from 1950's to now, there was a very large gap from late 70's to 90's that Ferrari was not in contention
i say let's enjoy these few years of dominance while it lasts - we all know its not going to last forever
though F1 may not be as exciting with Ferrari dominating, it is good for the sport that this type of Ferrari performance should be treated by the other mfg's as a goal to beat and race their bar of performance
F1 is road racing at its fastest form - don't tell Ferrari to slow down - tell the other teams they better speed up |
PSk (Psk)
Junior Member
Username: Psk
Post Number: 135
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 11:17 pm: | |
MS will retire one day and then the level playing field will return IMO. He, and his incredible dedication and work efforts, have helped raise Ferrari to this standard. There currently is no other driver that can give that to any team, no matter how well they drive.
Ferrari are building fantastic cars, but MS's testing and continual strive for perfection are part of that. Look what happened when he broke his leg ... the car stagnated.
Yes the rest are lacking, but they also don't have the drivers that motivate a team to break themselves for that win. MS works hard and wins for the team, thus the team work hard for him ... the other drivers are off chasing women and parties, thinking they are so cool as they have made it to F1 ...
F1 needs REAL racing drivers MORE than anything else, not these play boys that just circulate.
Pete
ps: Even Barrichello as fast as he is, goes to sleep halfway through the race ... this is where MS usually beats him. |
Mr. Doody (Doody)
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Username: Doody
Post Number: 756
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 4:18 pm: | |
if nobody can give ferrari a run for their money this year, i think it'll start to really hurt F1. while ferrari clearly has it's act together and then some, it's not in the sport's best interest to see ferrari dominate year after year. people will lose interest, imo.
doody. |
Gene Agatep (Gagatep)
Junior Member
Username: Gagatep
Post Number: 216
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 3:01 pm: | |
looks encouraging for another F season
it would be more interesting though if another team steps up and contends |
Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member
Username: Matt_lamotte
Post Number: 174
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 1:52 pm: | |
Today they tested the new car for this year and on it's first day out Michael Schumacher broke the Fiorano track record by half a second. I have the feeling it's going to be another one of those seasons whether they change rules or not. Personally Ferrari's domination doesn't bother me one bit though. I think the other teams need to step up this year and improve there cars as which I am sure they too are doing. |
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