| Author | Message | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 644 Registered: 3-2002 |
Andreas, it would be interesting to see how blatant an incident would have to be for a punishment to ensue. As we know, racing incidents are always open for interpretation, of which there is always multiple opinions! You are right about MS having established a pattern of run-ins, but don't forget also that this was still on the (relative) heels of Senna's death. We all know how F1 reacted (chicanes, car construction, etc.), and the last thing they were going to tolerate was any on-track recklessness. Even though it was pretty toothless, it sent a firm message. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 606 Registered: 10-2002 |
The reason they came down hard on MS, was the questionable move he made on Hill before. He kinda established a pattern for being a bully and they don't like that. For the exact same reason the FISA (predecessor to FIA) came down hard on Senna. The year after the Prost incident, the situation was reversed and Prost in a Ferrari. Senna plowed right into Prost and even later on admitted it was a deliberate attempt to take revenge on Prost. The FISA made him (the proud superstar from Brazil!) appear in 'court' in Paris and handed him a suspended penalty. So he had to behave for a while. BTW: Nobody commented on this, but are you guys aware, that since early last year there is a ban hanging over any drivers head who causes a start collision? After what happened in Melbourne and Interlagos last year, the FIA imposed strict race suspensions if somebody would cause another start accident. Ever since F1 races have started without a hickup. That rule is still in effect as far as I know. ...kinda spoils all the fun  | ||
| Bart Boonacker (Sharky666)
Junior Member Username: Sharky666 Post Number: 221 Registered: 9-2002 |
I believe Andreas is completly right, it was at the Spain Gp, Jerez. Also in 1997 Jacques Villeneuve Micheal Schumacher and Heinz Harold Frentzen all qualified with the exact same lap time down to 1000's of a second on a 2.752 mile long circuit in a time of 1 minute 21.072 seconds at Jerez. The one thing I can't figure is why MS was disqualified, while (if memory serves me right) Prost drove Senna off in the chicane thus becoming WC, with out penalty. Senna did drive on after a push start by marshalls but was disqualified for that later. (i'm just 19, so I haven't got a memory on the Prost, Senna part but I believe that's what happend.) | ||
| MFZ (Kiyoharu)
Junior Member Username: Kiyoharu Post Number: 91 Registered: 2-2003 |
I think Hill could've been champion in 1994, but MS made sure he won't (which Andreas has explained). As for his 1996 season, yes, he was finally in a car that could turn anyone into a champion, unfortunately, Jacques Villeneuve was his teammate, and Frank Williams isn't really fond of giving team orders. Jacques lack of experience was probably what handed Hill his championship in 1996. Oh, and the Jacques vs. MS incident happened in 1997, not 'the following year' as written by Andreas. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 601 Registered: 10-2002 |
F1 history, right up my alley. But as always my dizzyclaimer: This is just from my (leaking) memory. Rosberg won in the year, when Gilles Villeneuve (Jacques' father) died in his Ferrari and when his team mate Pironi was seriously injured and had to give up F1. So Rosberg was the third guy in line with just enough points to take the title. He won just 1 race. That says it all. Hill was very fast when in the lead, but made a lot of mistakes when under pressure (by MS e.g.). He happened to sit in the best car at the right time and clinched the title, but not by too much. Of course these are my personal (b_ull) opinions. In the WC fight MS vs Hill, Damon had to pass MS to clinch the title and MS didn't let him through, they collided and the title race went to MS. People didn't like that, but nothing happened. The following year a similar situation with Jacques vs MS. When Jacques attacked and clearly got the lead (and WC), MS in desperation drove into him. Heat of the moment. It didn't stop Jacques from finishing the race and winning the title and it threw MS out of the race. He was stripped of his WC points for that. A slap on the wrist really. Interesting point is, that all the MS statistics that are being tossed around (most wins, titles, points whatever) always discount this fact and give him his officially lost points. So much for that. Sidenote: MS was also disqualified and banned (I believe) from F1 racing for using illegal fuel on his Benetton. That gave him the nickname Schummel-Schumi (German), which means the cheater. | ||
| Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
Junior Member Username: Ralessi Post Number: 63 Registered: 5-2002 |
I'm not too keen on F1 history, and some questions came to mind from another thread, so I was wondering if some of you guys could fill me in on a couple of things... First would be Hill/Rosberg - why were they lucky to be champions, and next, what was the deal with MS when he was disqualified from the championship - what happened exactly? |