| Author | Message | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 493 Registered: 11-2002 |
Apologies DJ, I'm just really concerned that they are not looking into the future and post Schumacher. Massa is not the right person, Kimi, Webber or Alonso have already shown their talent ... Massa has only shown that he is one scary driver, a bit like Verstapen. As for the control tyre, hmmm, yep I can understand why you want that but part of the interest factor of F1 is the differences between the cars. A control tyre and next we will want a control chassis and engine ... and then we just have very fast Formula Fords and no more technical interest for us engineers  Pete | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1213 Registered: 10-2002 |
"I'd like to see everyone on the same set of tires to see who really has the best setup. " Interesting idea, but besides the point: These cars are built for the tire they drive on. Meaning a Ferrari on Michelins would probably still be even slower than on an inferior Bridgestone. Anyway you guys have all good points and I'm a tad worried about what will happen when they all pack up and leave in 2006. As much as I like Massa, IMHO grooming him as the new MS is probably the wrong move. And as I said before, JPM will be too old by the time MS retires. Their best move would be to get Alonso into the second seat in a couple of years when Rubens' contract expires. | ||
| DJ (Godfather)
Junior Member Username: Godfather Post Number: 125 Registered: 11-2002 |
I recall reading an article on Ross Brawn they have already begun training guys to take over for them. I never stated they should wait to get new people.  How can you say the the GA is not better than last years car? Michael already said its the best car he has ever driven and it was faster than the 2002 on its 1st day out unlike the MP4-18. I'd like to see everyone on the same set of tires to see who really has the best setup. | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 492 Registered: 11-2002 |
So DJ, if you were running Ferrari F1 you would wait until they retire!!, and then have a void. Wrong answer!!!, They need to be training or finding new talent now not waiting until the HEROS retire, and feeding them in. Look at the F2003-GA, not as good as last years car and the opposition is gaining VERY fast. Engineering requires lateral thinking, this only comes from fresh minds ... they need to be motivated and stimulated. Pete | ||
| DJ (Godfather)
Junior Member Username: Godfather Post Number: 124 Registered: 11-2002 |
Scared of what? Sorry but there is no other F1 team that has guys like Michael, Rory, Ross, Paolo, and Jean Todt. The last 3 years prove that along with last year�s total domination. The future begins at the end of 2006 when the new guys take over. No need to change when your still winning. | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
New member Username: Beast Post Number: 5 Registered: 5-2003 |
No tonly do they need to think beyond MS they also need to start scouting engineers to fill the shoes of brawn and byrne and todt. If they dont look at that aspect of the puzzle it may become a return of the lean years like they had prior to MS comming on. I like JPM the first year with his aggressiveness especialy the pass he made on MS at indy into turn one but last year and most of this year i have not been as impressed other than monaco. | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 490 Registered: 11-2002 |
They also need to think passed Schumacher! Pete | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 489 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hmmm,
Correction was ... Nothing ever stays still in motorracing and especially F1 where there are few budget restrictions. Personally I am disappointed that Ferrari has stuck with the same team. Change is a positive thing and Ferrari got back to the top by taking a risk and CHANGING their team. Remember how they stuck with Forgheri (sp?) for so many years and yep they did win a couple of championships with his cars, but the first thing about GOOD business management is change is 100% required because what worked yesterday will not necessarily work tomorrow. Thus Ferrari have done the usual Italian thing and are too scared to change their winning team. Thus they have peeked and this is the start of the decline. You cannot expect a strategy or design philosopy to continue to work. Fresh ideas are required. Look at Barnard, for example, designed the all conquering MP4 McLaren (the first carbon chassis) and then look at his Prosts ... er, the man (who I respect immensely) had become stale and had run out of ideas. He now has a fresh challenge with MotoGP bikes  Look at Adrian Newey, the guy must be bored out of his brain. He wanted to move to designing yachts and McLaren would not let him ... actually I believe that we may see McLaren help with some yachting races to keep Newey and to keep him interested and motivated. Thus Ferrari need to think past Todt, passed Brawn and the others and look to the future and accept that change is the way to STAY at the top ... not the head in the sand, all mightly team, attitude like their road cars (look at Alfa Romeo made the same twin cam 4 cylinder for something like 50 years). Pete | ||
| DJ (Godfather)
Junior Member Username: Godfather Post Number: 123 Registered: 11-2002 |
I agree, no doubt I'm sure Michael has input on who's going to be his teammate. But the fact remains Ferrari is now the class of field and I'm sure JPM wants to be part of it. I don't believe he's worried about being classified #2 because he really feels he can beat Michael given the same equipment and that could lead to turmoil in the team. I think that�s the only stopping JPM from being on that team. Regarding Alesi it wasn't a smart career move but a genius business move. Last I read he amassed a fortune of $400 Million being an F1 driver. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1207 Registered: 10-2002 |
No team will ever sabotage its number driver (although Ferrari came very close to that in 99). But racing has a lot to do with self confidence and feeling at ease. That is something the #2 driver behind Michael will rarely get. OTOH JPM is one of those guys who doesn't give a damn about anything (one of the reason I luv this guy), so he might be doing not so bad. Many drivers have even chosen Ferrari just for what the team is, even when they sucked. Case in point: Alesi, who ruined his career this way. But aside from all that, there might be another reason, why JPM and MS will never team up (although that would be the ultimate fun): MS' contract might prohibit that explicitly or indirectly by giving him the last word in the #2 choice. F1 contracts (although Anthony rightfully says they don't really seem to exist) are books, not a couple of pages. And MS' written under Mr. 20% guidance is certainly one of the thickest books out there. | ||
| DJ (Godfather)
Junior Member Username: Godfather Post Number: 122 Registered: 11-2002 |
I don't know, i find it very difficult for any top F1 driver to turn down a drive at Ferrari. Everyone wants the BEST car in the field. Do you guys feel they will sabotage the 2nd driver? Since Michael extended his contract this is JPM's only chance ever to drive there. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1203 Registered: 10-2002 |
The difference is, that the team is built around MS. That's one of the reason why they got so successfull. MS did the same thing with and at Benetton. There is no room/air for the second driver. That other person just has to deliver points for the Constructor's title, but otherwise has not much to say. Though, but efficient. Montoya would never accept that. Williams is probably one of the most egalitarian teams out there, that gives both drivers a fair chance (even to the point of eliminating each other). | ||
| DJ (Godfather)
Junior Member Username: Godfather Post Number: 121 Registered: 11-2002 |
I think Montoya in Ruben's car will give Michael a good run. Why wouldn't he take the seat? Montoya and Ralf don't get along and Williams is just fine, what would be the difference at Ferrari? | ||
| Anthony_Ferrari (Anthony_ferrari)
Member Username: Anthony_ferrari Post Number: 294 Registered: 11-2002 |
I know what you mean. There is no mention of Rubens in the press release. The latest thinking is that Massa will drive for Sauber next year and then join Michael at Ferrari in 2005. Rubens' current contract runs till the end of 2004. Buttt, this is F1 and in F1 there appears to be no such thing as a contract. Massa may be driving for the team as early as 2004. Whatever happens it now looks pretty clear that we won't be seeing JPM in a Ferrari. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1197 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hmm, should I be happy about this or not? I guess on the overall scheme for Ferrari this is good news. As a Montoya fan this is probably sad news. And I don't think JPM would ever get/accept Ruben's #2 seat. And by 2007 Montoya is probably getting a bit too old for the game himself. C'est la vie. | ||
| Anthony_Ferrari (Anthony_ferrari)
Member Username: Anthony_ferrari Post Number: 293 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ferrari today sent out the following press release: Ferrari announces that Jean Todt will continue in his role as Managing Director of the Gestione Sportiva to the end of 2006. Also continuing to report in to him up to that date will be Technical Director Ross Brawn, Engine Director Paolo Martinelli, Chief Designer Rory Byrne and head of engine design Gilles Simon. Furthermore, Ferrari announces that it has extended its agreement with the driver Michael Schumacher to the end of the 2006 season. |