| Author | Message | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 893 Registered: 4-2002 |
All they have to do is institute a rule whereby each driver has to consume a standard dispensation of whatever the is the sponsers product the morning of the race. Beer = 6-pack Cigs = 1-carton Spirits = 1-litre Phone = 60 minute phone call from fan Computer = 2 hrs of video games ....... Then we can see who is the real ........ | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
Junior Member Username: Beast Post Number: 101 Registered: 5-2003 |
ER to the FIA that is!!! | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
Junior Member Username: Beast Post Number: 100 Registered: 5-2003 |
Andreas; We need to get him to join our little get together at the USGP. Get him Ripped then have him sign it in to law!!! LOL I agree if it makes sense then it cannot be a good thing. Rob | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1568 Registered: 10-2002 |
Rob, we need to talk to Bernie: You about your sponsorship idea and I about the reversed grid.  What you're proposing makes a lot of sense to me. Therefore it will never make it... | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 861 Registered: 4-2003 |
Beck's & Jaguar F1 | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
Junior Member Username: Beast Post Number: 99 Registered: 5-2003 |
Andreas; The way i look at this is lost marketing opportunity when the countrys tobacco laws prohibit the display of a tobacco product at a race. Phillip Morris is part of the Altria Group They also Own Kraft Foods. Why dont they just say OK at the races that you cannot display our Tobacco product on the car place "Kraft" or "Nabisco" on the car in its place. Makes more bang for the sponsors buck and also prevents the blank billboards that are running at almost half of the races. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1566 Registered: 10-2002 |
Rob, thanks for the explanation. That makes sense. Well some. I just hate those white blobs on the car. It'd be funnier if they'd put on a 'Be on Edge' or 'Kimi' kind of thing. | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Intermediate Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 1153 Registered: 3-2002 |
The situation with alcohol sponsors wasn't an F1 rule, but more of a gentleman's agreement. Team owners felt it improper to sponsor cars with alcohol. I thought Bitburger sold beer with alcohol as well, but I'm probably wrong. Hope I never drank it in the past and thought I was getting a buzz! | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
Junior Member Username: Beast Post Number: 94 Registered: 5-2003 |
Aaron; I know it is a wierd law. I just wish Ferrari could be allowed to place different sponsorship on their car to break up the void. | ||
| Aaron Williams (Aawil)
Member Username: Aawil Post Number: 257 Registered: 8-2002 |
Rob, thats the same explanation I heard during the 1st USGP at indy. | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
Junior Member Username: Beast Post Number: 90 Registered: 5-2003 |
Andreas; The reason the Ferrari does not cary the marlboro sponsorship at the USGP is due to the fact that Team Penske is sponsored by Marlboro also. From how i understand it tobacco sponsorship is OK in the US in only one form of sport series I.E. Penske has the sponsorship in IRL and no team in Cart, WC, Formula 1, Busch, SCCA can also carry that brand sponsorship. This is why Ferrari is blank here in the US. Rob | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1563 Registered: 10-2002 |
Talking about weird regulations: How about the US GP, where tobacco ads are banned for tobacco products actually sold in the US. That's why Ferrari drives around with white blobs where Marlboro used to be, but Mc Laren can use their sponsor West (a cigarette not sold in the US). Makes a lot of sense (nott!), since the people actually watching the race on site are a very small fraction of the global audience. Go figure. | ||
| Anthony_Ferrari (Anthony_ferrari)
Member Username: Anthony_ferrari Post Number: 336 Registered: 11-2002 |
Jaguar have beened sponsored by Becks since they first started. I don't think there has ever been a ban on using alcohol money for sponsorship. Tobacco branding is banned in some countries. At the British GP this weekend there will be no Mild Seven, West, Marlboro, Lucky Strike, or Benson & Hedges. The wierd thing is the French GP where they ban the advertising of tobacco and alcohol! The Jaguars replace Becks with Bests and even the Champagne bottles have the labels removed!!! | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1560 Registered: 10-2002 |
On an almost related note: I don't think tobacco or alcohol sponsorships and advertisements through eg. sports events like F1 are habit forming. I think they might influence somebody's choice on what to drink or smoke. Just like I 'support' Red Bull and now Budweiser. But I don't they start me drinking or smoking, just influence me when picking what brand. I think other influences like e.g. movies where cool heroes smoke or drink are habit forming and *might* start somebody to smoke or drink. But nobody bans movies. So why this hysteria about banning tobacco ads for racing? | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1559 Registered: 10-2002 |
Never heard about an alcohol ban. Would be kinda weird to ban alcohol and run your race team on the fumes of tobacco. My personal memory goes back as far as about 79 and I recall taking pictures of the Arrows in Warsteiner (German beer) livery. So the Bitburger on the Benetton wasn't first. However you might be right, that they had the ban after 79. And technically the Bitburger didn't break it, because 'ein Bit' is a German non alcoholic beer. So the Bud ad might be the first real alcohol ad. Personally to me that whole ban on any kind of ads is nothing but hypocracy (sp?). I don't smoke, but am happy that Marlboro's millions make 'my' Ferrari go faster. At least they pay for Michael's salary and that's good for me. | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Intermediate Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 1141 Registered: 3-2002 |
Which brings me to another issue. Was there a specific point in time when team owners dropped their agreement against accepting alcohol sponsorships? I remember they used to shun liquor branding out of a social conscience (cough, cough), and the first I recall seeing was Benetton's Bitburger branding. Hmmm, aliteration! | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Intermediate Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 1140 Registered: 3-2002 |
I'm sure when negotiating the deal, 90% of the talks went towards the logo on the car. Some boob from Bud was probably pushing for a NASCAR-style scheme, with those BUD-WHY-ZER frogs slapped across the bodywork. Good thing European discretion won the day. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1551 Registered: 10-2002 |
I think Pitpass.com is missing something: Sure it is small and to some degree in the wrong colours (although Bud uses white and blue on its cans as well), but this is an ad in a prominent location and more important than that it will most certainly give them the rights to use the F1 Williams for its advertising. Something HP is already doing on a fairly big scale in the US. Therefore it makes even more sense to sponsor Williams. Aside from the Ferrari, the Williams is becoming probably the most recognizable F1 car in the US. In addition its driver Montoya is VERY popular in the States. So all in all not a bad deal I would say. Personally I'm tremendously happy about this as it will help F1 grow in the States. Now if only Coca Cola could strike a deal with Ferrari... | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 847 Registered: 4-2003 |
I was told the deal is for $50m, not �50m. Jack | ||
| Anthony_Ferrari (Anthony_ferrari)
Member Username: Anthony_ferrari Post Number: 335 Registered: 11-2002 |
From Pitpass.com: "Come on admit it, if you blink you'd miss it, indeed if you weren't looking for it you probably wouldn't even find it. This is the Budweiser logo that adorns the WilliamsF1 FW25s this weekend and for the next five years at a (rumoured) cost of �50m, that's �10m a year. If this little logo - which isn't even in Budweiser's corporate colours - is worth �10m a year then one shudders to think what Allianz, NiQuitinCQ and HP are forking out. Yes Williams has done well to secure this deal, particularly at a time when sponsorship is so hard to come by. However there are teams out there that would have changed their cars to resemble bottles of Bud for this kind of money and team bosses that would have given their right arm for such a deal, and such a well known brand as 'partner'. We're not questioning the fact that WilliamsF1 got �50m for this, if they can ask for this sort of money and get it good luck to them. However one does have to question Budweiser and ask if such a small ad - even on a potential championship winner - is the best value it could get for its corporate dollar."  | ||
| DGS (Dgs)
Junior Member Username: Dgs Post Number: 188 Registered: 5-2003 |
Does this mean we now get a commercial of Ralf and Juan getting hammered in the stands, as they race their remote control cars? | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 4199 Registered: 9-2001 |
a few years back Mc donalds was considering entering F-1 - prop only a matter of time | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
Junior Member Username: Beast Post Number: 87 Registered: 5-2003 |
Andreas; Thanks for the spelling correction. I guess that is what i get for not utilising my second language to the fullest the last 25 years. Rob | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1535 Registered: 10-2002 |
Those clown shoes already exist. They cost about $ 150 and are from Fila. Each to his own I suppose. | ||
| Anthony_Ferrari (Anthony_ferrari)
Member Username: Anthony_ferrari Post Number: 327 Registered: 11-2002 |
Michael and Rubens might find it difficult to drive with those clown shoes on! When they come in for a pitstop will they have to stop at the window 1 to place their order for fuel and tyres and then go on to the next window to collect them? I'll stop now because this is getting silly! | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1533 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ferrari and Mc Donalds? Hmm, I see a couple of golden arches replacing the entrance gate at Maranello... Speaking of Bud: It is a great soft drink. Unfortunately mislabeled as 'beer'. Budweiser, das ist Wasser. Correct. | ||
| Anthony_Ferrari (Anthony_ferrari)
Member Username: Anthony_ferrari Post Number: 326 Registered: 11-2002 |
They are keeping the blue & white colour scheme. I hope the fact that Bud have gone to Williams doesn't mean Ferrari have McDonalds sponsorship when tobacco advertising is banned!  | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 736 Registered: 11-2002 |
Red is an unlucky colour for Williams. Look how pathetic the team was when they had Winfield sponsorship. This was when Zanadi was with them, they went through a very, very bad year. Pete | ||
| Vincent (Vincent348)
Member Username: Vincent348 Post Number: 850 Registered: 4-2003 |
Cool, some major american interest in F1!!! This can only be good. Vincent. | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
Junior Member Username: Beast Post Number: 83 Registered: 5-2003 |
I can just see the bud signs at the German GP stating "Budwieser Thas is Waser" (SP) in other words "This is Water" and no i am not knocking Bud. I am just stating a quote from a german friend of the family after he tried Bud for the first time when i lived in Germany. http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/7214/ | ||
| Trevor Ely (Bmwm3n528)
Junior Member Username: Bmwm3n528 Post Number: 73 Registered: 4-2003 |
i'd have to agree...perhaps im biased though... | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 4177 Registered: 9-2001 |
bud finally enters f-1, wonder if they will change the colors of the car to red though I am an Ferrari fan, I think Williams has the best paint scheme. |