| Author | Message | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1618 Registered: 10-2002 |
PSK, you kept your country clean... Just kidding, I like Superspeedways. Jim, yes, Super Mario is lucky to be still with us. Holy crap! I do agree with you that seing those Indy or Champ Carts at full throttle flying by is an awesome sight, sound and feel spectacle that gives me gooze bumps every time. I remember my first Indy 500 race and couldn't believe. Totally awesome and overwhelming. F1 is different and gets me in a different way. Both is cool I think, but I still prefer a standing start. Funny btw, how my friend whom I introduced to F1 reacted when he saw his first F1 at Indy: He was as much in awe as I was when I saw the Champ cars. ...isssalllgooood Jack, we're getting old. I know what you mean. | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 797 Registered: 11-2002 |
Jim, No Australia does not have any super speedways. Pete | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Intermediate Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 1203 Registered: 3-2002 |
Thanks for the pics, 13. Excellent! I REALLY used to love the standing starts 10 years ago, before all the tracks installed the grid sensors. Remember how the back of the field would start creeping forward in anticipation of the start? That was damn cool. | ||
| Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Junior Member Username: Boxer12 Post Number: 61 Registered: 6-2003 |
One advantage of a standing start, the suckers on the straight get to see the cars in focus for a few minutes at the start of the race....do they get their money's worth? Pete, Are there any superspeedways in your country? If not, I feel bad that you have never experienced the thrill of one of these cars going past at 200 mph...it is unreal. You will have to check it out. About speed antics, I think Mario did the ultimate trick this year at Indy 500 practice...don't you agree Andreas? | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1614 Registered: 10-2002 |
Rick, good point. Seriously I'm just waiting for the ultimate PR stunt where somebody will drive a F1 upside down for a few seconds. We all know it is feasible, but I still like to see it and I'm almost certain somebody will do it eventually. At least I hope so. PS: If somebody has a spare F1, I'll be happy to prove the theory...Got helmet, will travel.  | ||
| rick catalano (Tatcat)
Junior Member Username: Tatcat Post Number: 100 Registered: 9-2001 |
no13 great pics. as for track features, with the massive downforce of F1 cars i'm waiting for the upsidedown loop ala hotwheels. maybe bahrain can be persuaded. FORZA RUBENS!!!! | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1602 Registered: 10-2002 |
Remember Spa a few years ago, when it rained and they decided to start the race with a rolling start behind the safety car? I was pissed beyond belief! I couldn't believe what I was seeing, F1 taking the easy/American way out. Shame on them. I hope I never have to see that again. I believe they did that because of the huge collission they had the previous (?) year right after the start in the rain. Nevertheless, F1 is an all weather series (not like IRL) and should not behind the safety car. | ||
| Vincent (Vincent348)
Member Username: Vincent348 Post Number: 915 Registered: 4-2003 |
Standing starts rule!! they show a whole other aspect of the car. O-60 or 0-100 times are important because of the standing start. Otherwise everyone would be talking about 30 to 100. Ferrari could use better launch control, it seems like they get whooped at the start every time and have to make their way back either through great driving or good race strategy. Did you guys watch this last race? Vincent. | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 772 Registered: 11-2002 |
Interesting and simply demonstrates how we are all different and cannot all be happy ... because I love the drama of a standing start, and find rolling starts hollow. The build up of revs and noise, and watching the flag or lights in anticipation ... goose bump stuff. Plus I hated rolling starts when I was competing at club level. Somebody in front of you always let a big gap grow in front of them ... because they are a dickhead, or something ... and thus you lost out at the start through no fault of your own. Note: I have never been to Indy ... Pete | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 764 Registered: 2-2001 |
Jim, I agree with you. There is NOTHING like the start of the Indy 500. The feeling of speed and power as the 33 cars charge by at full speed is unbelievable. | ||
| Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Junior Member Username: Boxer12 Post Number: 51 Registered: 6-2003 |
The USGP has a nice combination of speed and chicanerie, but there still isn't much passing, which is what made Silverstone interesting. It seemed Ruebens was able to pass almost at will but noone else was able to do much. It is the same thing in Champ car series, and IRL. I think it all boils down to making the cars too even, although there is plenty of passing in NASCAR (at the Indy track, anyway, which is the only race I attend). I guess the NASCAR cars have more of a draft or something, and seem much more variable in speed and handling. I guess if you want excitement, you have to rely on SPEED. I have to say, there is nothing quite like seeing 3 cars abrest going around turn 1 at 200 mph at the Indy 500. It is scary every time they do it. Doesn't happen at USGP because of the chicanes, which render a single file lane of traffic. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 2149 Registered: 6-2001 |
You're probably right. The costs won't come down. However, if they put in a claiming rule, that might do it, but It'd destroy the flavor. Art | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1597 Registered: 10-2002 |
Agree with all except the costs statements: Whether you ban wings, reduce the engine size or mandate, that the engines last more than one race (Mosley's idea), the costs will always go up. Don't kid yourself. This is F1. If you take away the wings, they will spend gazillions in the wind tunnel trying to find that downforce on something else (shape of the car, the suspension, whatever). If you make the engines smaller, yes you loose hp, but he costs will continue to rise trying to get that hp back. And Mosley (what a naive dreamer) with his 'endurance engine' idea, will make it even more expensive: All the big manufacturers will now have to produce something powerful AND reliable. Anyway, personally I never cared much about the cost argument. This is F1 after all. If you don't have the $$$ to play, go someplace else. Drive NASCAR or CART. To me the bottom line is, that the races are entertaining again and banning aeros would be a good step. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 2141 Registered: 6-2001 |
As I see it, the biggest change in F1 has been the aerodynamics. It has made them much faster. I don't know that you can eliminate the trick entirely, but a complete ban on wings, skirts, etc. should make them much, much slower. A simple rule should be enough, say no wings period. Do what you want with the chassis, but no skirts, and 3"s of ground clearance. The net effect is that this would reduce the cornering to about 1.5 Gs, lengthen the braking, and in general slow the cars down. That would make a big difference in the racing, we'd have a lot more passing, and the cost would be drastically reduced. Art | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1596 Registered: 10-2002 |
Some more great shots No 13! Still can't get over the fact, that you got pictures of that uncovered Ferrari rear. Really cool. Love those Sauber details as well. Keep it going! | ||
| No13 (No13)
New member Username: No13 Post Number: 26 Registered: 3-2003 |
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| No13 (No13)
New member Username: No13 Post Number: 25 Registered: 3-2003 |
Thanks Andreas. Some more from other pits     | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 764 Registered: 11-2002 |
Vincent, That is sort of what we have at Hockenheim, ie. cars setup with rediculous and boring straights, thus they slide around in the tight little complex before the start finish line. Pete | ||
| Vincent (Vincent348)
Member Username: Vincent348 Post Number: 904 Registered: 4-2003 |
CRAZY IDEA!!!! What if between two straights they included one banked corner. Then, the cars would reduce their wings in order to take advantage of the speed and thus make the rest of the corners much more exciting. It would place an emphasis on car development as well as driver excellence. (I'm ducking, so go ahead) Vincent. | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 759 Registered: 11-2002 |
I would like to see them reduce the engine size. 3 ltrs is too big, and hardly an inspiration for the motoring world, when most road cars are under 2 ltrs. Dropping them to 2.5 ltrs would keep them above most road cars and reduce the power to around 600 - 750 hp. I would also like to see a ban on aerodynamic grip, but then it would not be F1, but just another racing circus. One of the biggest technology gains has been the aero thingy, and in the end real drivers can pass. MS did not do this much at Silverstone because he was worrying about WC points ... remove that stress and he would have been carving them up like RB. But be wary of changing the tracks too much to suit the cars ... because then we will end up with similar tracks OR God forbid ... boring Ovals. I must say that Imola has been completely ruined by the chicanes on what used to be the best passing point ... Senna would be so pissed off. These guys are supposed to be racing drivers, don't change the track for safety, change OFF the track to make the accident safer. Pete | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Intermediate Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 1197 Registered: 3-2002 |
Art, stop using common sense, dammit. We're talking F1 here! Andreas--you're right, except they don't need chicanes to make tracks safe. Tamburello wasn't dangerous--the runoff area was. Look what they have done with Paul Ricard. MODERN runoff areas with graduated levels of abrasion. I would LOVE to see the wings come off the cars. I seriously question whether they will ever ban the drivers' aids, and this would be a great way to re-accentuate the driving. Won't happen? Damn right it won't. | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 900 Registered: 4-2002 |
"I wouldn't reduce the HP, but I'd sure lower the grip: say less wing, smaller tires." The only rule change needed is to ban aerodynamic devices: wings, diffusers, spoilers,.... all of them. Institute a rule whereby the whole car in all 3 dimensions needs to conform to the notion of a convex hull. The classical 1966 lotus F1 car has a 3 dimensional convex hull Acceleration distance goes up by 3X-5X Braking distance goes up by 4X-6X Cornering speeds goes down by 3X (from 4.5 Gs to 1.5 Gs) Cars can be driven sideways Passing will happen Teams no longer need a wind tunnel to be competitive The difference between 600 HP and 800 HP engines is irrelevent, the tires are limiting you from using that much HP. Braking technology becomes irrelevent (its already way better than would be necessary) as the brakes have greater time to disipate the heat. A new level of investigation into mechanical traction wuld insure that race car technology culd migrate into passenger automobiles. It just wouldn't be Formula One......... | ||
| Jim Avery (Boxer12)
New member Username: Boxer12 Post Number: 49 Registered: 6-2003 |
Geez, every time I see this garage scene, I am amazed at how imaculate they keep the place while working on the cars. That car looks new, BTW, are you sure this is not some staged event? Silverstone proves the point that fast tracks are the way to go for good racing. Fast turns, etc., and the risks be damned. It is about racing, not spectating. Although the popularity of slow turns for spectating is proven by Stand H at USGP. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1591 Registered: 10-2002 |
The whole chicanerie deal started as a means of slowing down the cars to prevent fatal accidents like Senna's. For the same reason grooved tires were introduced. Turbos were banned for similar reasons plus to keep costs down (yeah right). So to keep it all relatively safe and interesting, we'd have to slow down the cars. Arthur is quite right about less wing. Probably even smaller tires, maybe no slicks. I with Jack and his characterization of the tracks. But just taking out the chicanes won't do it. The risks would be back. So a combined effort of slowing the cars down and given the tracks their flow back would be ideal. Making the tracks wider with huge run off areas would also help. Thinking of Sepang, but then again I think that track lacks character. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 2108 Registered: 6-2001 |
If you want to see more passing, more excitment, there's a simple solution: slow the cars down. The current speeds are such that the road, no matter how wide, becomes very, very narrow. To someone like Michael, or Montoya, the actual roadway may only be inches wide because any larger deviation in their path will drastly slow them down. Making the cars slower would change that. I wouldn't reduce the HP, but I'd sure lower the grip: say less wing, smaller tires. Art | ||
| Vincent (Vincent348)
Member Username: Vincent348 Post Number: 883 Registered: 4-2003 |
Jack. You're right on! It's not a rule problem as much as a track problem. Watching Kimi and Rubens side by side at 140 and only inches apart, that was exciting. Should some of these tracks be wider? would that help at all? Vincent. | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Intermediate Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 1178 Registered: 3-2002 |
F1 is suffering from a crisis whereby sport is dictated by business and its usual self-driven conflicts of interest. Substitute "racing" with "baseball", and "Bernie" with "Bud Selig", and we have an amazing similarity. Anyway, the F1 Supremos need to change the way they think about tracks. Today's GP cars need to be allowed to run open, yet they've continued to compete on yesterday's tracks, only lengthened and slowed down with ridiculous chicanes and other non-challenging corners. They become concerned when lap times on a certain circuit drop to what they consider an embarrassing low, so naturally the solution is to throw in another chicane. Take a look at recent track changes: The final complex at Silverstone--More useless track means more grandstands! Yea! The "Mercedes" complex at Nurburg--Hmmm, this track doesn't suck enough. Let's make it WORSE! Austria--Let's take out all the GOOD parts and square off the corners. Hockenheim? HockenHELL! France--Big changes. Big changes. Let's take the chicane and move it AFTER the final turn! Clever. Hungary--where do you start there?! Monza--Gee, we've tried every tried every type of chicane configuration, but it STILL doesn't seem right...We'd sure hate for these racing cars to go fast! Imola--The chicanes worked so well at Monza, let's try some here. Indy--I've got a GREAT idea! Put in two consecutive hairpins. That way we can artificially increase the lap times AND all the American fans will be able to read the sponsors' logos and buy all their products. Great idea, Tony. We award YOU the race. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1115 Registered: 1-2002 |
What I'd like to see is some crazy bastard showing up with something as revolutionary as the tyrrell p34, remember the concussion that sent through the paddock? Or, the wings that Arrows tried to pawn off at monaco; but, I want to see real deal off-the-wall innovation (in my heart of hearts I know that the arrows monaco wings were a joke), but that's what I want to see: daily, weekly, ever changing innovation. I know it happens, but it's on the micro scale (i.e., toyota emmulating the sharks gills found f2003-ga), but that's what *I think* will bring f1 to a new level; deregulate it, let them go wild. Just think, what era do most of us talk about? The era of jacques, the era of turbos, and the era of Senna (and some others), but all three of these time periods shared some of the most "creative" interpertation of the rulebook; I just think that having to augment a sports, well, takes out the sport of it all. No one demands this of any other racing league (i.e., no one protested le mans so fervently, but audi won 3 years in a row), so why should F1 come under such pressure, and, by the way, how does bernie dive out of the limelight? If he wasn't so greedy, there would be more racing, passing and excitmemnt than we'd know what to do with; his greed will, eventually, strangle F1. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1586 Registered: 10-2002 |
F1 has always a few teams at the top. I don't mind that. It's the pinnacle of racing. What I don't like is one team/driver running away with the title as Michael did last year. That was just plain boring. I love to see 'my' Ferraris win, but there has to be a fight, a struggle, some drama. Of course it was deserved last year, wasn't their fault, that the competition was sleeping. But luckily this season we're back to three teams duking it out. Great! Dropping Magny Cours? I'm with you on that 100%. Bring back Le Castellet or Dijon. And on the same token: Bring back the old Hockenheim Ostkurve. New Hockenheim looks like Magny Cours/Nuerburgring/your_modern_and_characterless_course_here. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1114 Registered: 1-2002 |
[Puts on flame suit] You know, guys. As much as I'd like to commend the new regulations for reintroducing "excitmement" into the F1 parade, I just can't. The only thing we've seen is a change in qualifying order, and on account of an shunt (or DNF) the ending order has been shuffled, some. At the end of the day it's still: williams, mclaren, and ferrari on the podium. And with the occasional apperance of the Renault boys (which are a works team, so they're not exactly, small fries), it's just the same as it's been. The playing field hasn't been leveled, as we saw, b/c the toyotas still get trampled by the top teir cars, and then it's back on with more of the same; that said, the last few races have been more of a technical marvel, as michelin edged out over bridgestone, but that seems to have changed. I think if F1 wants to become entertaining, or maintain viewer attention, it should do so not by restricting the series, but by subsidising it's development; the smaller teams should be given money to develop and further the development of the cars, restricting the series by format or technical regulation does nothing but hinder the nature of the sport: the most advanced form of motorsport on earth. Lastly, if excitment is watching the cars squabble from behind the saftey car after a caution, then we may as well just watch CART. And, about silverstone (the circuit), I love it. Very smooth, and has a fine rhythem. I say we drop magny cours (since it sucks), and call it a day. Magny cours, what a joke. | ||
| Anthony_Ferrari (Anthony_ferrari)
Member Username: Anthony_ferrari Post Number: 338 Registered: 11-2002 |
Traffic was not a problem at all. We arrived at about 10.30 on the Sunday morning. Parking wa not a problem either. We watched from Club and the car was a 5 minute walk away. The helicopter traffic is still amazing. All day you can see at least 8 in the sky at any one time. There must be one landing every 15 seconds. Getting away after the race was easy as well as we stayed on to watch the free concert. The first band was the 'Six Pistons', featuring Damon Hill on guitar. Next up was 'V10' featuring Eddie Jordan on drums. The headline act was Status Quo. We watched their first 2 songs and then left. It was about 7pm and getting out of the car park was no problem. I think having the concert after the race is a great idea. It was really good fun. Tony Jardine was the compere and between bands he was joined on stage by Jackie Stewart, Ralf Firman, Justin Wilson, and Prof Sid Watkins. Eddie Jordan was interviewed before his band played and he seemed very drunk. He swore quite a lot and he called this years Jordan F1 car 'a load of crap'! I can't imagine Ron Dennis being quite so forthright! | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1575 Registered: 10-2002 |
Anthony, how is the traffic going to the racetrack? Is it still as bad or down to regular levels? Does one still need a helicopter to make it in and out alive? Always wanted to go there, but the hours of traffic jam stopped me from doing so. | ||
| Anthony_Ferrari (Anthony_ferrari)
Member Username: Anthony_ferrari Post Number: 337 Registered: 11-2002 |
I was there and I must say it was the best race meeting I have ever been to! Rubens was just amazing. Jackie Stewart said it was the best race he'd seen for 10 years. I agree. We only decided at the last minute to go and I am so glad we did. The thing that amazed me is the skill and commitment shown by the drivers. Nobody was shunted off or lost a nose. We were at Club corner and we saw loads of action. The race seemed to pass really quickly. I know I'll definately be there next year. I have heard that Bernie wants to buy Silverstone, so he is trying to reduce it's value by constantly complaining about it. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1574 Registered: 10-2002 |
Great shots No 13! And even with the internals like engine visible. Man, you must have some nice pit credentials. Good for you! | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
Junior Member Username: Beast Post Number: 104 Registered: 5-2003 |
I thought the "Wacko in the Tracko" was none other than Allen fidler pushing Lambo's!!!!! | ||
| No13 (No13)
New member Username: No13 Post Number: 24 Registered: 3-2003 |
Some images from the garage     | ||
| Russ Turner (Snj5)
Member Username: Snj5 Post Number: 331 Registered: 2-2003 |
Best race I've seen in a couple of years - More wheel to wheel racing throughout the entire grid than I have ever seen - there were two passing sequences by Rubens that are for the books. RB was clearly the man of the race, other than the Ferrari UK parts guy running out on the track to advertise a special on NOS parts. (I'm still lol from the previous brilliant Jackie Stewart remark). For sheer entertainment value, this race will be hard to top. The good guy even won. | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Junior Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 215 Registered: 9-2002 |
Inspite of the insane Irish religous nut, The one thing that was proved was that silverstone is still one of the best tracks in the world, lots of fast corners , big braking zones etc, If F1 really wants to put on a show all the boring tracks with slow to medium corners and no overtaking zones should take note and get changing their tracks for next year! Oh and would somebody please kill max mosley!!!, that guy just cannot see the wood for the trees as far as the rules are concerned, big slick tyres, standardised front and rear wings, no drivers aids and a ban on refueling, and if he really wants to change qualifying bring back the old agregate system of two timed sessions with either your best or an agregate time (rewarding consistancy not weather!) Jackie Stewart seems to have a point about Ecclestone and co having a hidden agenda as far as silverstone? | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 588 Registered: 10-2001 |
"MHO the race was yet another proof that reversed grid would give us top entertainment." Until the nut ran out on the track, I was ready by lap 12 to turn it off. Take the Qualifying grid and you almost have the same at the end of the race. The only thing that made this race great (tons of passing) was that the cars got mixed around. Funny it takes a jerk to show how good F1 could be. I hate giving the bum the credit. | ||
| Michael Yurinko (Gage)
Junior Member Username: Gage Post Number: 72 Registered: 8-2002 |
That loon got me thinking; how is the security at these GPs? Are they 'soft targets'? I heard there where plenty of threats for the Malaysa GP but Bernie pushed it through and tightened security. | ||
| Paul Sloan (Sloan83qv)
Member Username: Sloan83qv Post Number: 591 Registered: 3-2001 |
JUST IN !!!! That nut was Jackie Stewart, seems Jaguars radios were out so Jackie volunteer to get messages to Webber and Pizzoni. | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Intermediate Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 1166 Registered: 3-2002 |
Official rumor starts here: Bernie paid the guy a handsome sum (at least $1000!) to pull the stunt. Now he has fresh ammunition to dump all over the organisers of the British GP and threaten them with pulling their spot on the calendar. Who wants to bet Bernie is sitting by the fire sharing a scotch with the trespasser as we type. I hope he at least allowed him to change out of that orange skirt and green undies! | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 740 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hmmmm, Rubens must have been told that he was going to be gang raped before this weekend if he did not pull his finger out. An inspired drive and fantastic passing ... it was like he grew balls over night!. If only he could maintain that level of performance he would be WC. But we know this will not happen. As for MS ... hmmm, bad start dropped to 14th and managed to bag 4th place, and some of you are knocking him. He had trouble passing and I believe this was because he is thinking of the WC and ensuring he gets the points ... very mature! Funny how the commentators for ITV kept talking about DC making so many places when MS made plenty more In the end hats off to Rubins, one of the greatest drives in the last 3 years. He went out and took that win, he did not just wait for it to happen, he stole it ... fantastic. Pete | ||
| Mark Collins (Markcollins)
Member Username: Markcollins Post Number: 294 Registered: 7-2002 |
Michael "How did that nut get onto the tarmac" Well not that i'm trying to make excuses but it's around 11,000 yards around the inside and outside of the track and the organisers think 200 people can police it! everywhere around the circuit there are access gates for personnel, emergency vehicles etc etc so it would be easy for anybody if so inclined. | ||
| Ken A (Zff)
Junior Member Username: Zff Post Number: 95 Registered: 12-2002 |
DAMN! That was an entire season of freaky incidents and fierce overtaking crammed into one race. VERY VERY exciting. Best one I've seen in a long time. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1572 Registered: 10-2002 |
Kimi does seem to crack under pressure (see Barcelona qualifying), but then again he is in last year's car. Also remember Michael did crack under pressure this season as well (see beginning of the season and Britains qualifying). It probably is not going to be Kimi's year this time around, but he will get the title eventually. He is just too darn fast and talented. I see only Michael and Alonso in that group. | ||
| Michael Yurinko (Gage)
Junior Member Username: Gage Post Number: 71 Registered: 8-2002 |
How did that nut get onto the tarmac? That threw everything into a spin. Great race!!! Once again, Kimi faults under pressure. I've been saying this for a long time. Kimi has a lot to learn. He's still a kid I suppose. Good job Rubens. I'm happy for Montoya as well. | ||
| Mark Collins (Markcollins)
Member Username: Markcollins Post Number: 293 Registered: 7-2002 |
What a fantastic race, although the kilt wearing loony who ran on the track may well have done some damage to the future hopes of a British GP, which were already uncertain. I've spoken to a few of the Marshalls and there's going to be some heads rolling! | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1571 Registered: 10-2002 |
Good question. While watching Da Matta leading the race I was wondering, whether we just got a glimpse of the future. Whatever Toyota tackles, they have the resources to eventually dominate. Might not happen too soon, but those Toyotas looked mighty good. Also goes to show, that the majority of the field really isn't that far apart. Shake up the starting grid and all of a sudden a Toyota can take the lead and maintain it against Ferraris, Williams and Mc Larens. To answer Jack, yes the team goofed on the fuel loads. Oh well, they're new in the game. They'll never make that mistake again. After all their Germans... | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Intermediate Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 1164 Registered: 3-2002 |
So, did Toyota blow DaMatta's race, or do you suppose they had no other choice but to do three stops? Steve Matchett was all over that immediately. | ||
| Aaron Williams (Aawil)
Member Username: Aawil Post Number: 260 Registered: 8-2002 |
It was probably the best race of the year. The safety car coming out twice helped bunch them up too. It tough to say but it was one of Rubens best drives. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1569 Registered: 10-2002 |
Yes Jack. Rubens is a bit like DC or Ralf. They all can drive, but only decide to do so once in a while. Michael wasn't seen much, but did a good job preserving his chances. The big looser IMHO was Ralf. Outside of the points is not how you go for the WC. But the cool thing is: One DNF from Michael and a win by one of his pursuers and the WC has a new leader. But Michael knows that, hence his conservative, but pointswise efficient drive. | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Intermediate Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 1160 Registered: 3-2002 |
How ironic that, right after people start grumbling about Rubens, he puts in a performance like Silverstone! Definitely a man on a mission today. Too bad that doesn't happen every race. | ||
| Dave L (Davel)
Member Username: Davel Post Number: 296 Registered: 7-2001 |
This was an amazing race...simply good solid racing and suprises to boot. I just wish the Speed announcers would SHUT UP about Kimi and finally give Rubens his due. KIMI is a racer so they said...YEA>>KIMI GOT PASSED MULTIPLE TIMES BY RUBENS....simply put he is a RACER and Ferrari was the KING TODAY | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 860 Registered: 4-2003 |
Did anybody see MS? | ||
| Trevor Ely (Bmwm3n528)
Junior Member Username: Bmwm3n528 Post Number: 75 Registered: 4-2003 |
this was the craziest race in a long time!!! Rubens worked super hard and deserved this race, this is why i watch F1!!! Trevor | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2012 Registered: 11-2002 |
What do you guys think...Barricello Pole Fast Race Lap 1st Place | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1567 Registered: 10-2002 |
Unfortunately I missed the Brazilian GP, which was a fantastic race (I heard), so I can't say, whether this was really the best so far, but it certainly was top notch. Odd thing how Rubens always wins when some nut runs onto the track. And he refused twice to comment about it in the post race interview. Maybe he pays them to do that? IMHO the race was yet another proof that reversed grid would give us top not entertainment. Oh well. Best of all: The WC remains wide open. | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
Junior Member Username: Beast Post Number: 97 Registered: 5-2003 |
Outstanding race!!! I like Rubens in the interview doing his Adam Sandler imitation.. "It has been tough so SHUT UP!!!" This one will be kept in my greatest race collection. | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 856 Registered: 4-2003 |
Best race of this year (+last year) as far as I am concerned! Jack | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 761 Registered: 2-2001 |
Watch the replay for sure. It was an exciting race. | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member Username: Doody Post Number: 1441 Registered: 11-2001 |
i haven't been able to watch on the telly, but i've been popping in on the live data feeds on the F1 web site. seems like a more interesting race than average (at least as of late). would be curious to hear if it only seems that way :-). that is, should i catch one of the replays on STV? tia, doody. |