| Author | Message | ||
| Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
Member Username: Ralessi Post Number: 311 Registered: 5-2002 |
I was reading that the bridgestones find the advantage to be with the smaller tires... that they are not even close to the allowed 270mm... Maybe they got it wrong from the beginning? If this extra 7mm or so is making that much of a difference, what about the 20 or more that separate bridgestone from the maximum allowed? Or am I wrong on this one... | ||
| rick ramage (720)
New member Username: 720 Post Number: 2 Registered: 7-2003 |
i read that ferrari believes that the "wider" michelin tires could account for as much as a .5 second a lap performance advantage. it will be interesting to see how the new michelin tires (that apparently will confirm to the width restrictions) perform at monza! sure would like to see ferrari get back in the saddle  | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2022 Registered: 10-2002 |
Bob I fully agree. Anthony, this is not a rule change per se. It is a clarification and a new test to conform with the rules. I don't have an issue with it (and I'm saying this not because I want Ferrari to win). Steven, Michelin was not cheating. Just a creative way to interpret the rules and found a loophole because the FIA didn't test after the race (until now). No, they do deserve to keep their points. If anything Ferrari is to blame, that they didn't rat out earlier. Their problem. The underlying issue is, that the rules for the tires aren't very clear (FIA's mistake). Point in case is the 'clearly visible grooves' after the race. Well, duuh, how could it be any more vague in a technical rules book. Remember the brouhaha over the flexing Ferrari barge boards? Well, they defined those tolerances in mm (milli meters for my American friends) and parts thereof. How about doing the same thing for the tires AFTER the race? And while you're at it, also make it a rule for ALL tires used in a race weekend, otherwise they run 'slicks' until the last lap and then come in for a pit stop to put on grooved tires. None of this was an issue until this year and there was a gentlemen's agreement between Bridgestone and Michelin to not throw the first stone. Well, Michelin did it to Bridgestone in Monaco and now got the rebuttal from Ferrari. They should have left each other alone, Ferrari with two different compounds and Michelin with the slicks. Or come up with real rules. (stepping off the soap box now) | ||
| todd a tiede (Apex)
New member Username: Apex Post Number: 25 Registered: 7-2002 |
The pot calling the kettle black, Ferrari and the Bridge ratting out Mich... Mich tires legal when put on the cars, perhaps not after they run. | ||
| Bob Campen (Bob308gts)
Member Username: Bob308gts Post Number: 746 Registered: 9-2001 |
I was just reading that Bridgestone now has proof the Mich were 16mm over width, when you find someone is cheating if you know how they did it you copy them if you don't know how to do it you call them on it. It's pretty clear at this point Bridgestone can not dupe what the French are doing | ||
| Anthony_Ferrari (Anthony_ferrari)
Member Username: Anthony_ferrari Post Number: 380 Registered: 11-2002 |
As far as I can see Michelin have found a way to make their tyres so that they are legal when they are put on the car. They then expand when used. The rule says that they must conform to the dimensions when new. They do conform when new. Ferrari should not be spending time and energy whining about Michelin. They should be telling Bridgestone to get their act together and make some tyres as good. If the FIA decide that the tyres also need to be legal after they have been used then this is a rule change that should be introduced next season, not near the end of one of the most exciting Championship battles for years. | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 914 Registered: 11-2002 |
Talking about tyres, and the fact that I believe last years Ferrari ran Bridgestones that were harder compound for the front than the rears. My question is: How come the Michelin runners seem to be able to do almost all the race without change their front tyres (ie. they only change rears in pitstops) if Michelin is NOT running a harder compound front tyre? Surely they must be? Pete | ||
| Steven Duke (Sduke)
New member Username: Sduke Post Number: 30 Registered: 3-2003 |
I don't blame Ferrari for bringing Michelin's tires to task. This situation was pointed out after Monaco. The Michelin's have just barely been legal when they are new. After the Monaco race, the Michelin's were almost slicks. It takes a very small increase in tire patch to make a big difference in grip. If the Michelin's have been illegal all season, then their winning the championship is a travesty. Not just because I am a Ferrari fan, but because all of the Bridgestone teams were cheated. If the Michelin's were not illegal then Bridgestone did a crappy job and they don't deserve to win. But the latest info on F-1 Racing.net seems to indicate Michelin is in the process of changing over to "legal" tires. If they weren't illegal, why the switch? If they were illegal, why do the Michelin teams still get to keep their points? It appears from here that the FIA just ignored the situation until someone officially complained. The only fault I see with Ferrari is that they waited too long to officially complain. If they had officially complained after Monaco, they might be comfortably leading the championship. If the Championship falls to Williams, McLaren, or even Renault, they won't actually be the team that dethroned Ferrari. The Drivers Championship trophy and the Constructors Trophy should be awarded to Michelin. steve | ||
| Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
Member Username: Ralessi Post Number: 309 Registered: 5-2002 |
It looks like they are making them change things, Michelin is frantically working I guess. It is kind of odd too, because the FIA hasn't really come out and made a statement. I would assume that they are serious about this and would disqualify the Michelin runners if nothing were to be changed. The other thing that just came out, you all probably saw it, is that Ferrari was indeed the one to rat out Michelin. Interesting to say the least. | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 913 Registered: 11-2002 |
It would take a miracle ... or Michelin caught cheating to enable a Ferrari win this year  Pete | ||
| Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
Member Username: Ralessi Post Number: 307 Registered: 5-2002 |
Looks like I got a bit TOO excited | ||
| Aaron Williams (Aawil)
Member Username: Aawil Post Number: 311 Registered: 8-2002 |
Well said Andreas. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2008 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hope is all we got at this moment. But then again, if Michelin has to play by the rules and quickly cook up a new tire, it might not be as good. So yes, there is hope. I'm not expecting Ferrari to go much faster, but the others to go a lot slower. | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
Member Username: Beast Post Number: 282 Registered: 5-2003 |
Rikky; ERRR dont you mean in 2 sundays???? Monza is not until the 14th of sept. Lets hope for another Ferrari 1-2. FORZA FERRARI Rob | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 978 Registered: 4-2003 |
What!? Will Minardi win the Monza Grand Prix? :-D Jack | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 912 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yes that's what is required Pete | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 788 Registered: 2-2001 |
Sounds good to me. | ||
| Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
Member Username: Ralessi Post Number: 305 Registered: 5-2002 |
I haven't heard the Italian National Anthem for a while, and wouldn't mind hearing it around 10:05 AM EST on sunday... how about you guys? |