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Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Junior Member
Username: Boxer12
Post Number: 234
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 19, 2003 - 9:54 am: | |
I would think the heavy braking and tight turning makes accidents more likely to happen. Look at the start at Firestone. Maybe the increase in yellow flags from more crashing slows racing. |
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member
Username: Tifosi12
Post Number: 2210
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 19, 2003 - 8:02 am: | |
As Robert says, the chicanes were put there to prevent accidents by slowing down the cars. In some cases like Imola where run off space is limited, the only solution. However sad to see, that they even include them in newer circuits (e.g. Nuerburgring).
I'm with Rikky in regards to the Nuerburgring. Same goes for all old tracks. Going back to the roots would be great. The cars are safer than ever and the drivers get paid more $$$ than ever for taking the risks. So let's go back to real racetracks.
6-7Gs in Monza might be possible if they'd bring back the banked turn. I believe CART did once 3-4 Gs in a Texan oval and drivers started to get tunnel vision. So 7Gs would be extreme, but the cars actually might be able to take it, however not the pilots.
Monaco underwent changes, true. But the overall layout hasn't changed that much. It probably still is the most to original track in the calendar. Monza being a distant second. |
PSk (Psk)
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Username: Psk
Post Number: 952
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 19, 2003 - 12:13 am: | |
No Monaco has had massive changes over the years, including modifications for the addition of the swimming pool complex.
Pete |
Omar (Auraraptor)
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Username: Auraraptor
Post Number: 990
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 19, 2003 - 12:10 am: | |
Isnt Monaco still the same as it has always been? |
Robert Faber (F129b)
Junior Member
Username: F129b
Post Number: 55
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:58 pm: | |
The chicanes slow the entire lap down only as a function of the moments before(braking), during (turning)and after(accelerating) entry. The 2003 machines are simply that much significantly faster than those in 1971 in straight line (between the chicanes).
I'm sure the FIA's rationale for installing the chicanes was to make less running at 190+MPH thereby "controlling" chances of accidents with racecars running at max. speed for 1 1/2 hours. |
Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mitch_alsup
Post Number: 1068
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 9:17 pm: | |
">>Just imagine the speeds at Monza in the original Parabolica arrangement! 6-7 Gs?<<
Don't think the cars of the day could pull that"
I meant just think if the 2003 F1 cars ran on a (newly paved) Monza in the 1965 layout. |
Andy Falsetta (Tuttebenne)
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Username: Tuttebenne
Post Number: 282
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 8:19 pm: | |
Bernie would have to buy another 70 or 80 cameras and hire crew as well. If he could run an F1 event in a Walmart parking lot he would.
But I agree, the N'ring would make an awesome race for all 6 laps. |
Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
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Username: Ralessi
Post Number: 340
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 7:26 pm: | |
I REAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLY (as I suppose everyone else does) want to see them run the REAL NURBURGRING! This would be the BEST in my opinion- nothing would be comparable.
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Andy Falsetta (Tuttebenne)
Member
Username: Tuttebenne
Post Number: 279
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 7:06 pm: | |
Jim,
You have a great question. What do chicanes do if they don't significantly slow the race down? I guess Bernie and Max think they will enable passing, or something like that. But its clear that they don't slow up the race very much. |
Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member
Username: Hugh
Post Number: 1405
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 5:06 pm: | |
>>Just imagine the speeds at Monza in the original Parabolica arrangement! 6-7 Gs?<<
Don't think the cars of the day could pull that... yuo know what I'd like to see, is have some of the old tracks (i.e., monza, spa, etc.) reconfigured to run like they did when fangio, et. al. were running on them, that would be amazing. |
Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mitch_alsup
Post Number: 1067
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 5:04 pm: | |
If they had not put the chicanes into these tracks, the fastest race would be monotonically incresing year by year. That is the nature of F1; the relentless pursuit of performance.
Just imagine the speeds at Monza in the original Parabolica arrangement! 6-7 Gs? |
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member
Username: Tifosi12
Post Number: 2199
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 1:29 pm: | |
That made that into a big deal. Fine, whatever. To me, that is pretty meaningless. Last year Montoya did the same thing at Monza. And not barring an accident, somebody else will break it next year at Monza. Great... |
Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Junior Member
Username: Boxer12
Post Number: 214
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 1:26 pm: | |
Fastest ever: Michael Schumacher won this year�s Italian Grand Prix at an average speed of 153.841 mph (247.585 km/h). It was a record for the fastest average speed for a Formula One Grand Prix.
Peter Gethin held the previous record, also set at Monza but in the days before the track had chicanes, when he won the 1971 Italian Grand Prix in his BRM at an average speed of 150.734 mph (242.615 km/h).
{I was out of town and missed the race. Obviously, absence of yellow flags is the explanation.) I would have thought the chicanes have a bigger impact, but I am no GP historian. If they don't then why the heck are they there???? |