| Author | Message | ||
| Rod Newman (Rocket)
New member Username: Rocket Post Number: 6 Registered: 9-2003 |
James, did you forget your medication again? | ||
| Najib Amanullah (Najib)
Member Username: Najib Post Number: 251 Registered: 4-2001 |
At least Ferrari have said that their last and least preferred option will be to have the points won under illegal circumstances cancelled. The other teams would not have been so generous. I can see them crying all the way to the courts calling Ferrari cheats if roles had been reversed. | ||
| James Lee (Aventino)
Junior Member Username: Aventino Post Number: 117 Registered: 6-2003 |
Mitch, if they are cheaters then lets throw out all points all Michelin runners have got this season. Hang on, lets wait and see if Ferrari win, if they don't then lets do it. Better still lets disqualify all michelin runners from further rounds, decimate the field and turn it all into a Ferrari procession. I'll stay up all night to watch that. Ferrari cannot loose. It's a pretty crappy way to decide a championship. | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 978 Registered: 11-2002 |
Heh James, Remember it was Michelin that went crying to the FIA about Bridgestone FIRST this season ... so Williams and expecially McLaren (under Ron's administration) are always the first to throw a punch. Yes lets finish this season, but MS deserves to win because he has won 7 (I think) races versus f**k all for all other drivers. In the end if we want more than one tyre supplier we will always have this sort of stuff occurring. Pete | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Intermediate Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 1132 Registered: 4-2002 |
"went crying to the FIA and knobbled the Michelin " So catching cheaters, and letting them keep the points illegaly obtained is "crying"? | ||
| Andy Falsetta (Tuttebenne)
Member Username: Tuttebenne Post Number: 298 Registered: 3-2003 |
Ross, I think you pegged the laugh meter on my computer. I know you didn't mean harm but it was too funny. Just remember what Teddy Roosevelt's sister once said, "if you don't have anything nice to say about someone . . . come over here and sit next to me "  | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Intermediate Member Username: Ross Post Number: 1350 Registered: 3-2002 |
wow james, and i thought you were only a negative person in the other posting categories. but now i find you here on ferrari chat's racing page saying that you wish ferrari wouldn't win so much, and that they don't do a good job, and that they are wingers and you don't like this f1 season blahblah. it must be hard being you. i guess i come to fchat to bask int he glory of the scuderia, whatever the weather or conditions of their victories. i guess i am too much of a tifosi. note to self: become a hard guy like james so i don't even enjoy when my team wins. | ||
| Rod Newman (Rocket)
New member Username: Rocket Post Number: 5 Registered: 9-2003 |
James, are you saying it is ok to cheat? Teams report each other all the time. That keeps everything relatively even. Check out this link. http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/14/315471.html?1064095684 | ||
| James Lee (Aventino)
Junior Member Username: Aventino Post Number: 115 Registered: 6-2003 |
This season has turned into a load of BS. Ferrari didn't beat anyone at Indy, they got left behind mid season, went crying to the FIA and knobbled the Michelin runners. If Williams had won Ferrari would have gone bleating to the court to make all past Michelin victories null and void due to the Michelin tyre width fiasco. Ferrari wins so they shut up and take the championship. The sooner we move on to next year and the Ferrari wins fair and square instead of through the back door, the better. I know F1 needs them but even the one eyed supporters on this forum would admit F1 needs some competition too. | ||
| Najib Amanullah (Najib)
Junior Member Username: Najib Post Number: 249 Registered: 4-2001 |
Jamil remember just at the start of this season Schumi leading in 2 races Brazil and (I think) Imola. In Brazil nothing can catch him and suddenly his car goes acquaplaning. In the next one he is again fastest even though he damaged his car on the kerb and is flagged in by the marshalls to have the bodywork on the side of his car cut away just a few laps from the end. On the other hand Ruikonnen gets a flat just at the entrance of the pit and loses no time. Thats just the way racing goes. Be glad it is Ferrari who are winning. | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
Member Username: Beast Post Number: 366 Registered: 5-2003 |
Jim; I dont know if you could see the team Helicopter hovering around in the rain at the north end of the track. I am sure that the info being sent in from the heli. Helped a lot with the teams stratagy durring the race. Never the less it was an awsome race with a terrific outcome. Rob Guess "The Other Rob" | ||
| Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Member Username: Boxer12 Post Number: 295 Registered: 6-2003 |
Luck! BS! It was raining on everyone, eh? Is it luck that Bridgestone intermediate's were put on MS's car ahead of anyone else putting on wets, even though he had just pitted the lap before? | ||
| Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Member Username: Boxer12 Post Number: 294 Registered: 6-2003 |
Yea, its luck to end up with a black eye like this and still be on the track.  | ||
| Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Member Username: Boxer12 Post Number: 293 Registered: 6-2003 |
Are you talking about the fact MS didn't end up like Ruebens after getting similar treatment (to Montoya spear) at the hands/wheel of DC? | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Intermediate Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 1305 Registered: 5-2001 |
I agree with the luck thing to some degree. I mean, how many times has RB's car crapped out on him while MS's car just runs and runs. Either way I am really glad for him. | ||
| Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Member Username: Paulie_b Post Number: 895 Registered: 1-2003 |
As the saying goes......that's racing! | ||
| Jamil Jamal (Jameel)
Junior Member Username: Jameel Post Number: 133 Registered: 9-2002 |
No, no. Sorry I'm not trying to give you the impression that I think Ferrari�s and, especially, MS victories are based on luck! We all know that Ferrari spends between $280 and $350 million per year ($50 mill includes MS�s salary). And the countless hours MS tests, but in the last 4 years that I�ve been watching F1, it seems Michael has had more luck compared to Rubens. | ||
| Andy Falsetta (Tuttebenne)
Member Username: Tuttebenne Post Number: 296 Registered: 3-2003 |
Jamil, I can understand how it looks to you as if MS has had all the luck. But its highly improbable that all of his good results have been the work of "good luck". There is a statement attributed to Roger Penske that "there is no luck in racing. All there is is preparation and opportunity" (or something like that). I believe you can "make" good luck. And to me, MS and Ferrari are proof of that. | ||
| Jamil Jamal (Jameel)
Junior Member Username: Jameel Post Number: 130 Registered: 9-2002 |
I've been watching F1 for about 4 years. So I missed all those races. | ||
| Rod Newman (Rocket)
New member Username: Rocket Post Number: 4 Registered: 9-2003 |
Jamil, how long have you been watching F1? Go back four or five years, when Schumi and Hakkinen fought it out in Japan for the championship. Schumi's car stalled on the grid so he goes to the back of the pack. Fights his way thru the field and is getting Hakkinen in his sights when a piece of debris on the track punctures his tire. Race over Schumi. Sound like good luck. The year before that I think, Schumi is leading JV and can win the WC when he has car trouble and loses power. JV makes the famous pass as Schumi tries to take him out and wins the WC. Again, sounds like bad luck if you ask me. Just think with good luck he could possibly be celebrating his eighth WC in two weeks. | ||
| Jamil Jamal (Jameel)
Junior Member Username: Jameel Post Number: 129 Registered: 9-2002 |
Guys I wasn�t just talking about this incident. It seems out of the 2 Ferrari drivers, Michael seems to have the best luck. Remember Brazil this year Rubens in the lead of his home Grand Prix and his car craps out. What are the chances? Michael never has this kind of bad luck. There have been many times when stuff like that has happened to Rubens but not to Michael. I�m not arguing the fact Michael is the greatest F1 driver of all time. I like the guy (from seeing him in interviews), and respect his abilities, I�m just getting a little bored of seeing him win championships. So you�re telling me luck had nothing to do with the fact that it rained, of course it did. Had it not been for the rain Michael would have probably finished 7th. I wonder if Ferrari has a rain making machine? :-) | ||
| Najib Amanullah (Najib)
Junior Member Username: Najib Post Number: 246 Registered: 4-2001 |
What has luck got to do with being the greatest driver in the world (arguably ever), making the right choice and driving a great race. It was damn good tactics and excellent tyres in the wet. Had he waited for even a couple of laps to change to wet tyres, he would have lost his advantage. If anything, it was the Micelin guys who were bending the rules (pun intended) uptil the time they got caught. If Ferrari had used tyres that did not comply with the regulations, all the other rival teams would be trying to get their points cancelled. I hope Ferrari can come back with a 1-2 in Japan to crown it off. | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 967 Registered: 11-2002 |
Luck has very little, if nothing to do with motorracing. Yes MS's car was fast in the rain ... but was not fast when on dry tyres. In the end Michelin need to kick themselves up the arse and make a decent intermediate tyre ... that is not bad luck to the Michelin shod cars, but crappy tyre sydrome. In reverse that is like saying that Bridgestone fluked the manufacturer of their intermediate tyre!!! Lets face it, it does rain ocassionally and if you and your team aren't prepared for it ... you loose. No luck in that, just facts. Pete | ||
| Jamil Jamal (Jameel)
Junior Member Username: Jameel Post Number: 128 Registered: 9-2002 |
Not only his he extremly talented but he gets all the luck in the world. What are the chances he qualifies 7th, Kimi is 1st and now he's just about 1st in the indy race because of the rain. Wow. |