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A.Tonokaboni (Senna1994)
Junior Member
Username: Senna1994
Post Number: 160
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 12:18 am: | |
Jon you are quite correct. Look at Panis he was as fast in testing as Hakkinen and Couthlard, but I don't think he has been that impressive in his return to racing. Williams had another tester in the mid 90's who was very quick and he had a Sauber seat for a time but didn't perform. I forget his name. |
Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Intermediate Member
Username: 95f355c
Post Number: 1101
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 11:36 pm: | |
Also Pizzonia past performances in the lower Formulas was not that impressive.
That's an understatement! I watched him in F3 last season and he was completely wild sometimes (Jungle boy really fits). He was like a junior version of Massa constantly getting the car out of shape and hitting things (i.e. cars, walls, ect..).
He seemed quick as he usually qualified on the first two rows but he never stayed in front for long. Guys like Pantano would eat him for lunch when they were behind him. He did run with a fast group of guys (Enge, Bourdais, Pantano, Wirdheim) but he made way too many mistakes and over drove the car freqently.
Testing times only show that one is quick not that one can race. Heck Nico Rosberg (Keke's 17 year old son) matched some of Pizzonias times in his only F1 test. And consider Nico is only 17 and has no FRenault, F3 or F3000 experience. He came from Formula BMW which is about the lowest class of open wheeled racing in Europe.
You can't tell me he would do well in F1 at this juncture based on some quick testing times.
Regards,
Jon P. Kofod
1995 F355 Challenge #23
www.flatoutracing.net
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A.Tonokaboni (Senna1994)
Junior Member
Username: Senna1994
Post Number: 159
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 8:56 pm: | |
Jungle Boy has always been quick but he could not find his feet in Jaguars race environment. He always did great work as a Test Driver for Williams. But I agree the greats are separated by the ability to perform in a bad car. Also Pizzonia past performances in the lower Formulas was not that impressive. |
Robert Faber (F129b)
Junior Member
Username: F129b
Post Number: 71
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 12:34 am: | |
"Jungle boy" found some "jungle juice". |
PSk (Psk)
Member
Username: Psk
Post Number: 995
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2003 - 8:05 pm: | |
It is one thing being fast in a good car ... another being fast in a bad car!, and consistently fast.
Maybe he likes that track, maybe he was having a good day and found that extra something, but I rate drivers on their ability in less than perfect cars.
Pete |
rob guess (Beast)
Member
Username: Beast
Post Number: 390
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2003 - 6:48 pm: | |
Rikky;
Testing times are not always the best way to determine if a driver is faster than the other. For example one drive my be testing tires and suspension parts and the other is doing systems tests on traction control or testing a new engine. One may be on a light fuel load and the other is full of fuel. The only way you can truly tell is to be in the pits with the team.
Rob Guess "The Other Rob"
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Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
Member
Username: Ralessi
Post Number: 390
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2003 - 6:27 pm: | |
What is with this kid? I had high hopes for him at Jaguar and he did nothing. Didn't even make it the whole season. Then this week, he goes back to his previous role as a tester for Williams, and promptly manages to run the fastest laps of the week two days in a row at the Spanish Jerez Circuit. Mark Gene, the driver who subbed for Ralf at Monza was beaten by 0.4 seconds today.
Maybe some racers or anyone really can help me on this point? Why does he do so well in testing but so poorly in a car?
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