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| Steve Smith (Steve308)
New member Username: Steve308 Post Number: 10 Registered: 2-2002 |
Here's an interesting angle on Montoya V Schumacher http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines02/05/s9369.html Steve | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Junior Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 124 Registered: 3-2002 |
Yeah, I could very easily see an arrangement like that happening. It sure would be nice to see some of these on-track occurrences we always hear or read about. He'll HAVE to be in a Ferrari if we're ever to see much of him on TV! | ||
| Manu Sachdeva (Manu)
Junior Member Username: Manu Post Number: 179 Registered: 2-2002 |
Jack, bear in mind that he is only 20 - for a start he is supposed to be bloody fast, mature, and professional. I heard that Jean Todt spotted him a while ago in some lower Formula racing and has actually 'placed' him at Sauber for his rookie year to assess (perhaps prepare) him for Ferrari later - possible of course through Ferraris unique relationship with Sauber given that they supply engines to the team. The 2 teams are supposedly 'friends' in the hostile and lonely world of F1 racing. Peter Sauber agreed on the premise that the kid is pretty talented, so he benefits himself. Apparently in the dismally boring race at Imola last week, many said that Massa pulled off the best overtaking manouever of the race in the early stages (can't remember - but I think he overtook one of the Jordans) and then drove fast and strong to finish eighth. I thinks he's already outqualified Heidfeld (who's actually pretty good himself) so far this season. A lot of F1 analysts think Massa is set for greatness......... ..... time will tell. He may join Ferrari. | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Junior Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 113 Registered: 3-2002 |
Hey Manu, I've been listening to all of these "Massa" rumors, too. Any idea why or how he is "the guy"? He doesn't look particularly special out there. | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 302 Registered: 10-2001 |
Alot of these guys in F1 are great drivers but are stuck in crap cars. Remember when Mika Salo was driving for Ferrari, he did well. Look out for Jarno Trulli and the other Itallian, Giancarlo Fisichella, both good young drivers in need of good cars. | ||
| Manu Sachdeva (Manu)
Junior Member Username: Manu Post Number: 161 Registered: 2-2002 |
Although I supported Montoya earlier in this post I must say that he is prick now. Too many people are overlooking the threat that comes from Schuey Jnr. He's an acomplished driver and he made Montoya look rubbish at Imola by outqualifying him and then outfinnishing him by miles. Apparentl Felipe Massa, the 20 year old a Sauber is our (Ferraris) next driver..........hmmmmm | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1432 Registered: 12-2000 |
I don't think Juan would ever come to Ferrari or Ferrari wouldn't want him with Shuey there. There can only be one head cook at Ferrari. Juan wants to win, he won't take orders and be 2nd fiddle to Shuey. | ||
| Warren Dodge (Spiderman)
New member Username: Spiderman Post Number: 12 Registered: 11-2001 |
I agree that this year's coverage is one of the worst ever. If Speed wants to get more viewers, they need a colorful broadcast crew. This current bunch is only shades of gray. They need younger help that has the passion for the sport. | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 287 Registered: 10-2001 |
I can't stand Speedvision's (Speed Channel's) coverage of F1. There is no personality to the commenting. I prefere to watch the BBC feed which we get here in Canada on TSN. But you are right, Montoya was a non factor today. I believe it will be a closer race between the two brothers than with JPM. | ||
| Dave L (Davel)
Junior Member Username: Davel Post Number: 113 Registered: 7-2001 |
Based on today's race Montoya cant get around Ralf and is not the biggest threat. Speed Channel needs to update the promo for F1 and take out the part stating Juan is the biggest challenger to Michael. He was a total non factor at Imola. Id say its gonna come down to brother vs brother or Rubens on the outside. Juan is proving boring, pouting and more arrogant than he really need be. It was refreshing today to see him so far back and find a race so cleanly run. | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Junior Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 97 Registered: 3-2002 |
I hope nobody here, like him or not, doubts Schumi's awesome talent. Don't forget, though, that the cars he has raced were designed around him, and the teams efforts focused on him. That counts for an aweful lot. When Michael left Benetton, Alesi and Berger found his car to be nearly undriveable by their prefs. They're not his calibre, but they were very good drivers. And when Ferrari was caught out by Michael's injury, they found it too hard to shift momentum across the garage and push Irvine to the championship. As for rain, thanks to traction control, even that has lost a lot of its spectacle! | ||
| rick catalano (Tatcat)
New member Username: Tatcat Post Number: 25 Registered: 9-2001 |
MS vs JPM. it sells tickets. how about this scenario. fast car with a new hot shoe from wherever, nascar, irl, motorcycles challanges the reigning WC.throw in some babes and call hollywood. this whole thing can be boiled down to who's on the top step in the afternoon. the cream always rises. all the rest is just the show. i'm sure Bernie loves JPM. he stirs everyone up, a fox in the hen house. but team Ferrari is too centered to be intimitated by the foofarral. it's just another day at the office. and by the way we should keep Rubens he is the perfect foil to MS. | ||
| Warren Dodge (Spiderman)
New member Username: Spiderman Post Number: 10 Registered: 11-2001 |
Jay is right on the money. Who remembers Villenueve or Damon ? They had what JPM has now, the fastest car out there. Wait for a rain race, that will show who is a driver and who is a pretender. | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 281 Registered: 10-2001 |
Will Jacque Villenueve be remembered as a great champion? I doubt it! He won his first season in F1 because Williams had a better car (which is debatable) and the same is true with Montoya, he has a great car...for now. If you put Montoya and Schumi in a Minardi or the Jaguar, who do you think would turn the faster times? Bottom line, Schumi is simply awesome. Irvine had trouble keeping up and so does Rubens in the exact same car. That tells you something. We are watching a legend, like Ali. | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 407 Registered: 2-2001 |
I am a huge Ferrari/MS fan but come on. You can't say Montoya isn't a big talent. He has won the CART championship and the Indy 500 and is a top contender in F1. When his career is over he WILL be remembered. | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Junior Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 91 Registered: 3-2002 |
Either that, or 10 years from now we're going to be talking about the new young brat who is harrassing everyones' beloved Montoya! Happened to Lauda, Prost, Senna, and now Schumacher. Cycle of (F1)life. | ||
| Warren Dodge (Spiderman)
New member Username: Spiderman Post Number: 7 Registered: 11-2001 |
Montoya (Why all of a sudden the Pablo thing??) is an impatient mid-packer fortunate enough to drive the fastest car on the grid. Shades of Villenueve, Hill, Coulthard, Irvine and the like. In the cycle of a team , Williams is the one to beat now and JPM is very lucky albeit out of his league. He will win races , but only on the car's merit, not from any talent on his part. MS is the icon of the sport and we should relish any chance we have to watch him perform. 20 years from now, we will tell stories of what we saw him do. I doubt most will even remember JPM then. Until he is gone, our beloved sport will suffer from his risky driving and a$$hole ways. With any luck, Frank will opt to bring Jensen back and send JPM on his merry way. | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Junior Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 105 Registered: 3-2001 |
I think that this thread has overlooked, actually not even mentioned, two key characteristics that are glaring deficiencies of Montoyas. One, is impatience in an F1 race. Two, is F1 immaturity. He is clearly the top competitor who Schumi has to face. He will be an F1 champion. If he works on those two areas, he will become one sooner. By the way, I am not a fan of his, just an admirer. | ||
| Randy (Schatten)
Junior Member Username: Schatten Post Number: 249 Registered: 4-2001 |
jack - indeed, I bet on Montoya in every race, hoping that he doesn't finish. =) Extreme Schumi fan? yea, same with Senna as well. But the bitterness between those guys reminds me of the old Shumi/Hill days, back when Schumi was a great driver and Hill just had a great car. | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
New member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 38 Registered: 3-2002 |
It has seemed to me that the people who have had a dislike for Montoya are the extreme Schumacher fans who fear what he represents. But it's almost the natural cycle of the sport taking over. When Prost came along, he was a threat to Lauda. Senna showed up, and immediately went to work on Prost. Michael...Senna. Now, JPM realizes that if he wants to be #1, go straight after the top and don't waste time screwing around with anyone else. | ||
| Manu Sachdeva (Manu)
Junior Member Username: Manu Post Number: 108 Registered: 2-2002 |
Montoya + Ferrari = Another World Championship. With all the polemics and Italian silliness that is Ferrari, we need a selfish and single minded, arrogant talent to keep us competitive when Schumacher leaves. Remember Montoya is only in his second season in F1. He's got a long way to go and is already refusing to accept The Red Barons pre-eminence. | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
New member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 33 Registered: 3-2002 |
As much as I love Ferrari, their misfortunes in the first two grands prix this season, to the objective viewer, were self-inflicted. Granted, Ralf came in a little hot behind Rubens. But both he and Michael made ridiculous slashing moves off the line, which I feel should be severely restricted. Even Michael himself felt it was unfair to discipline Montoya in Malaysia. There is definitely a bias in F1 when it comes to Ferrari. In Hockenheim last year, the race was red-flagged when 2 cars crashed at the start. Australia's opening corner this year is a melee, and no red flag. The difference? Do I really have to ask? Montoya hasn't even shown that he is one tenth the bully that Michael has been throughout his career. The only reason to think so is that he poses the first true threat to Michael's status as the undisputed #1 driver. Hakkinen benefitted from better, more reliable machinery. It's still early for JPM, but even Michael notices him coming. So, Montoya is definitely aggressive. But he does not drive recklessly. It's more an issue that he refuses to accept the status quo of who the lead dog is, and that nobody dare challenge him in a straight fight. Other than Austria last year, which was an over-aggressive defense of an inside line, Montoya doesn't have a history of running drivers off the track. | ||
| Tim Gendreau (Tim)
New member Username: Tim Post Number: 34 Registered: 3-2002 |
Please not Montoya. he should be in Nascar, he takes too many people out because he goes into corners to hot. thats not racing to me. look what he did to Ferrari last time. | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
New member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 29 Registered: 3-2002 |
A friend of mine has had the opportunity to get to know Montoya quite well the last few years, and gets to see the other side of him. Yes, he is a focused, talented, "arrogant" driver. But he is also very personable. Ralf's problem is his only source of confidence comes from his environment. Same with Rubens, although he knows it's OK to show personality. I have a hard time believing that Ferrari would retain Montoya to partner Schummi, since he would only do so with guaranteed equal status. We keep hearing MS say that he wants to continue on with Ferrari, but maybe he's telling them something else. It would be a hell of a lot of fun watching those two try to be teammates, though, wouldn't it? There's also the matter of what Frank Williams will do. With Button's resurgence, he seems to be holding 3 pretty good cards, and stands to make quite a dollar regardless of who he keeps. | ||
| Arnaldo Torres (Caribe)
Member Username: Caribe Post Number: 253 Registered: 2-2001 |
I don't think the rest of the guys in F1 are afraid of Schumacher. I believe that when you get to that level, your only fear is not finishing the race, and not necessarily who's behind you. I believe they respect him for what he is, a great race driver on one of the best race cars in F1. I had watched the Australian GP race at least three times already, and I can tell you, Montoya was very uncomfortable having a Ferrari on his tail. I would not call it fear, but tremendous respect and the recognition that in spite of having a more powerful car, there was little he could do to hold back Schumacher. | ||
| Steve Smith (Steve308)
New member Username: Steve308 Post Number: 4 Registered: 2-2002 |
Schumi and Montoya in one team? I think that would end up like Gilles Villneuve and Pironi. Not a nice idea... | ||
| Manu Sachdeva (Manu)
New member Username: Manu Post Number: 20 Registered: 2-2002 |
I can assure you that people thought Michael Schumacher was more than just cocky... I remember an interview where aussie Williams ex-champ Alan Jones, called Schumacher 'an arrogant little sh*t...' Montoya IS an arrogant guy. I agree with you all here. My point is that this is going to help him. I can tell you that most of the F1 grid cowers in fear when the Red Baron von Schmacher drives up behind them - the only guy that doesn't is Montoya. Think about the size of the task he's faced with. He has to defeat someone who is contending to be THE GREATEST DRIVER OF ALL TIME. How the hell do you do that... Montoya needs to be like this. Without this arrogance, he'll fade into being another also-ran. Its a quality that Frank Williams particularly looks for in his drivers hence he's hired Mr Montoya and Schuey JR. To defeat Schumacher (who is undisputedly one of the greatest sporting geniuses to walk the earth) Montoya needs to believe he's better.... That's what he's doing. You can see it in his curt and rude words and the aggression in his face when giving interviews..He means business. Its not a nice way to be, but I respect him. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Junior Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 244 Registered: 6-2001 |
Nika: Who are you working for in Florida? Art | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
Member Username: Racernika Post Number: 320 Registered: 12-2001 |
I've had the same argument over Jerry McGrath (moto-x), and Montoya recently - people say they are cocky and arrogant but there is a difference in being arrogant and being confident. I believe Montoya is the latter | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Junior Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 242 Registered: 6-2001 |
Montoya had the same problem while driving in CART. He may have the physical skills, but there is more to racing than physical skills. There are times when you have to rely upon your team and get the most out of them. If you are a prick, they don't put out for you as well as they do with someone the like. Believe it or not, racing is a team sport, and sometimes finding the balance is difficult when the driver is someone who is obnixous. Road & Track did an article in the 60s about the psychology of race car drivers, and they noted differences between the pros and the amateurs. The pros were more self centered, and the amateurs were more team players. Both types of competitors however, got better under pressure, unlike the commoners, who get worse. I still vote for Rubens for Ferrari. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 1805 Registered: 2-2001 |
And I often find that the greatest athletes may be confident, maybe even to the extent of arrogant in some cases, but all are humble. Examples are Wayne Gretzky and Michael Jordan for starters. Even Schumacher is quite humble, but remember he is German so this trait may be somewhat masked. All the true greats are humble which is part of their greatness. Remember the story on here about one of the guys talking to Jody Sheckter and him not mentioning a word about his racing. Actions speak a lot louder than how many stupid comments Montoya can make on the grid. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 1804 Registered: 2-2001 |
I personally fell that he has to more arrogant like you say and less of a prick like he is now. A certain amount of confidence is necessary in anything, but I don't remember Schumacher acting like he could take Senna. He was confident but he knew his role at that time and in that situation. Montoya is nothing now in F1. So far he's shown promise, but is nothing more than dozens of other racers that have come through the sport. He ought to start acting more like this and stop acting like he's an equal with Schumacher, Hakinnen, etc. He simply isn't, at least not yet. | ||
| Manu Sachdeva (Manu)
New member Username: Manu Post Number: 17 Registered: 2-2002 |
Montoyas arrogance is the key to his success. All world champions have to this arrogance...this is what gives them the belief to drive their cars at 100% all the time. Nice guys like Rubens etc just don't make it for this reason. Think of Schumacher, Senna, Prost, and all the modern era greats and you'll find that they were arrogant, cocky, and very determined....Just like our colombian friend Mr Montoya. I can see him doing very well. | ||
| Arnaldo Torres (Caribe)
Member Username: Caribe Post Number: 252 Registered: 2-2001 |
Man, was I sorry for Rubens. I would have love to see him race pass the first turn. Given this race results, I also believe that Montoya is not yet anywhere the level of Rubens, and much less Michael. Yes, Ferrari has the right team! | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Junior Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 236 Registered: 6-2001 |
You're right Montoya isn't the solution. Ferrari has the right team. | ||
| Peter B. (Gts308qv)
Junior Member Username: Gts308qv Post Number: 181 Registered: 5-2001 |
Maybe the "Schumachers" have it in for Barichello, but imho Montoya is not the answer for Ferrari. Hey, what an exciting first GP race! | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Junior Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 228 Registered: 6-2001 |
Rubens got the pole this weekend. I wonder what his deal with Ferrari is for this year. Maybe we'll see a race between him and Michael. | ||
| Carl Gustaf Landin (Gustaf)
New member Username: Gustaf Post Number: 26 Registered: 9-2001 |
I don't think that Montoya has recovered from the transition from CART. As we saw last year both at Hockenheim and a Monte Carlo he went off as a direct result of driving like he still was a CART car. The CART cars can be driven more agressively without risking to loose grip. Or at least this is my own analysis. He is definently a threat but I think the Rubens is more than up to the challenge, as we saw during qualification. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Junior Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 215 Registered: 6-2001 |
Montoya has a tremonous talent. His behavior off the track sometimes can cause trouble. | ||
| Dominic L. DiMento (Domenico)
New member Username: Domenico Post Number: 5 Registered: 2-2002 |
For Montoya, quiet confidence would go a long way. Obviously he's talented but to be blatantly cocky is out of line. I'm think Ralph can beat him out for 2nd in the championship. We KNOW who will finish first. Forza, Michael. BTW, practice is tonight Thursday at 11:00pm Est. Ciao | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 1767 Registered: 2-2001 |
There's something about him that I just don't like. Watching him on and off the track just gives me the impression that he has an attitude. He's always talking how he can beat Schumacher, etc instead of just going out and doing things. Speak softly and carry a big stick is something he should start following. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Junior Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 190 Registered: 6-2001 |
Nika: I don't know if you have met Montoya (he used to drive for Chip in the Target team), but I have. Ferrari would be a lot better off without him. Art | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
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Rubens hasn't "done" anyting for Ferrari b/c he hasn't been allowed to. He's always had to play number 2 to Micheal, and even more so when he was instructed to pull over and allow Micheal to take 1st. If and when Rubens begins winning, it will be at the grace of Micheal, Jean, and Ross. | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
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Being female....I ALWAYS have an opinion [smirk] but this coming year - I haven't a clue. There's too much going on to be able to even remotely guess. I'll tell you after the first race - then we'll place our bets. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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I don't have a keen enough eye to notice differences in the F1 cars except for the colors. Who's going to get second this year? | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
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I think Barichello has been following "orders" PS - Am I the only one that thinks the new Jaguar is last years Ferrari?? The pix I've seen make it look exactly like it in design. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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I thought the new F1 procedure was to make your former world champion a coach and then hire a kid from go carts. Anyone hear the rumor that Ralf isn't getting along with Williams because Juan is being treated like #1. Anyway, what has Barichello done for us? He's got the best team in the world behind him. Let's get someone with the caliber to win races on Shuey's off days and finish 2nd most of the others. | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
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here's the article http://www.autosport.com/newsitem.cfm?id=17662&series=5 That would mean bye bye Barichello  |