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billy bob (Fatbillybob)
Junior Member
Username: Fatbillybob
Post Number: 158
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 10:48 pm: | |
Dom etal,
see new thread "track modifications"
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Dom Vitarella (Dom)
New member
Username: Dom
Post Number: 42
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 9:06 pm: | |
Matt,
I recommend a 6 point harness, since you can mount it easily to existing seat connections. A harness can be bought for $100-200, depending on the brand. For a cheap SA helment, check out racer wholesale. I purchased a SA 2000 Full face helmet from them (G-Force) for $230.00.
The Alfa Club (AROSC) is a good group to run with, and relatively cheap compared to speedtrials. I think if you are going to make the effort to run on a track, it's worth it for the harness and fire extinguisher (especially on the 308's, a fire extinguisher is a great idea!).
By the way, I'm STILL WAITING for my GT4. Hopefully will be finished by next saturday (sigh)...
Dom |
billy bob (Fatbillybob)
Junior Member
Username: Fatbillybob
Post Number: 155
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 24, 2003 - 7:47 pm: | |
I have installed roll bars i Ferraris but not a mondial. You can weld plates anywhere and then bolt the bar in 4 points. Takes some time but pretty easy. I installed the challenge kit in my 348 with all the rollcarge anchors etc. Simple weld in design. I have seen 2 mondials with rollbars. Look at the run groups you are going to go with some require 2 point bars some 4 point bars some 6 or 8 point cage |
Ron Shirley (Easy_rider)
Junior Member
Username: Easy_rider
Post Number: 52
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 24, 2003 - 5:57 pm: | |
BB,
I see that Speed Trial USA requires a roll bar for convertibles, no exceptions.
Have you ever seen a Mondial convertible with a roll bar?
One of the links at their website took me to http://www.speedtrialusa.com/index1.html where they talk about a street bar. Do you know if this qualifies for the track? Do you know if it would be able to install in the Mondial? |
billy bob (Fatbillybob)
Junior Member
Username: Fatbillybob
Post Number: 154
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 24, 2003 - 4:35 pm: | |
Look at spedtrialUSA.com. Anyone want to go out to Fontana and rip around the track on Saturday? One day is 200 and 2 days is 290.00.? I'm 90% of the way to going. I gotta wrap up a few details but if some of you are going then I can make it for sure. Those appointments I have don't really need to see me that bad do they? |
billy bob (Fatbillybob)
Junior Member
Username: Fatbillybob
Post Number: 153
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 24, 2003 - 4:33 pm: | |
Matt,
You have to have a helmet as far as I know. Racer parts wholesale and their sister co. have all the stuff about as cheap as you can get it. You can use cotton gardening gloves any close toe shoe long sleeve t-shirt and full length pants. That will run you in AROSC into groups. To go one level more to timetrial you need to mount a fire extinguisher within reach. The extinguisher can be a cheapo kiddie home depot special mounted from your front seat bolts on a metal strap. Thats the minimum. |
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 1525
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 9:51 pm: | |
Billy Bob,
Sounds like fun but I do not have the equipment for my cars. Are there any track events that do not need the whole setup? |
billy bob (Fatbillybob)
Junior Member
Username: Fatbillybob
Post Number: 152
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 8:15 pm: | |
Forgot to metion for most clubs time trial needs are 5 point/cotton cloths/tech inspection/sa2000 helmet no motocycle helmets open face sa2000 o.k.. Check your run clubs but that is very common. Race groups need rollbars fire bottles etc.. |
billy bob (Fatbillybob)
Junior Member
Username: Fatbillybob
Post Number: 151
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 8:13 pm: | |
Guys,
I will do any track event. They are total fun. No Cops! I have posted to these boards several times to try and get a splinter group of Ferrariguys to run at the Alfa Romeo events. These guys are the coolest. There is no ego just fun. No posturing. No pissing contests. I even tried to start a splinter group of chat on Yahoo groups under [email protected] in an attempt to start banter about tracking these cars and having fun not sticking to originality or anything specific. But I had no takers but the group is still open. I wanted to talk about engine and car mods., event gatherings etc... Anyway the AROSC events are 2/03 streets of willow driving school, 4/03 big willow timetrial race, 6/03 button willow, 9/03 fontana, 11/03 laguna seca. Lets go have fun! PS it is cheap too. 170/weekend and 200/wk end for laguna. |
Gene Agatep (Gagatep)
Junior Member
Username: Gagatep
Post Number: 179
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 11:25 am: | |
Matt,
for ride-alongs - open face helmet is ok -
motorcycle helmet - i assume ok -
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Gene Agatep (Gagatep)
Junior Member
Username: Gagatep
Post Number: 178
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 11:21 am: | |
I just contacted POC directly,
http://www.porscheclub.com/
Porsche Owners Club - 12050 I Avenue, Suite F - Hesperia, CA 92345 Telephone: 760.948.7300 - Fax: 760.244.1787
and they do not have the invitations ready yet
the invites/registration will not go out for another 2 weeks
please visit the link attached for more info regarding POC and what they do
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Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member
Username: Hugh
Post Number: 441
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 4:53 pm: | |
Matt-
Are you asking about the helmet to just ride along, or to drive? For ride alongs I'm pretty sure you'll be ok, but for driving they, POC, may not allow the use of motorcyle helmets. All of the organizations I run w/ allow the use of motorcycle helmets for either driver/passenger. Gene, care to clarify? |
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 1475
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 4:32 pm: | |
Can it be an open face helmet? I have one from my motocycle. |
Byron (Bmyth)
Junior Member
Username: Bmyth
Post Number: 165
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 4:27 pm: | |
Matt, I have an extra motorcycle helmet I can bring for you if I go...it's a full-face helmet, so you should have no problems with it. |
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 1473
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 4:21 pm: | |
I want to go but I need to get a helmet and such. I'll keep you posted. |
Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member
Username: Hugh
Post Number: 437
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 1:57 pm: | |
Gene-
Could you please forward me the registration materials as soon as you get them; I'd like to sign up, or at lease find out if I, my car, will be eligable. Also, who tech's the cars at the POC events? Do they have marshalls that have to physically look over the car, or do you just turn in a signed form?
Matt, Jean Louis & Dom-
If you guys can't bring your cars to the track, I'll be more than willing to give ride alongs throughout the day; just bring your helmet. |
Jean-Louis (Jlm348)
Junior Member
Username: Jlm348
Post Number: 58
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 1:35 pm: | |
Matt I to am having some hesitations. But part of me wants to go see what it will be like. Maybe we will go and just be on lookers. I'll b ring the beer.LOL |
Gene Agatep (Gagatep)
Junior Member
Username: Gagatep
Post Number: 175
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 10:04 am: | |
Matt,
reconsider going to the track,
I run my car stock -
an auto racing helmet SA1995 or 2000 is the only thing required
It is a lot safer running on the track than
running the streets (Paramount Ranch or Ortega Run)- No CHP to worry about - you use the whole
width of the track - and no opposite traffic -
The track event is not wheel to wheel,
You only pass on the main straight if you are
that much faster than the car in front of you.
Or you get passed only on the main straight if
you are that much slower than the car behind you.
Or else, just show up for a few hours to watch
or ride along - its pretty fun - good driving edification -
chances of hitting something is pretty low
as long as you don't do something drastically wrong
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Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 1442
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 2:35 pm: | |
I see.
Best of luck. It is worth the time it takes to get it right. |
Dom Vitarella (Dom)
New member
Username: Dom
Post Number: 41
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 2:19 pm: | |
Matt,
The car was located in San Jose when I bought it. When I bought it, it needed 30k service, plus I decided to add electronic ignition, and stebro exhaust. I decided to get all that stuff done up there before I tried to drive the car back. But between the holidays, etc, it's been taking a LOOOONG time (We finalized the transaction at the end of Nov). Now he's having problems with the elec ignition set up.
Hopefully, everything will be straightened out by next weekend so I can drive her home.
Dom
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Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 1425
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 17, 2003 - 10:56 pm: | |
Dom,
Why is you car WAY up there? There are plenty of good shops local to So Cal. Many behind the orange curtain. |
Dom Vitarella (Dom)
New member
Username: Dom
Post Number: 40
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 17, 2003 - 10:22 pm: | |
DAMN DAMN DAMN!!!
I just got a call from my mechanic in San Jose. He's having problems with the elec. ignition he's installing, so my car won't be ready tomorrow.
I was scheduled to take a 6:45 AM flight to San Jose and drive the car back. Now it's going to have to wait until next week.
DAMN DAMN DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 1410
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 17, 2003 - 8:09 pm: | |
I'm out guys. I have no track equipment for the cars. |
Gene Agatep (Gagatep)
Junior Member
Username: Gagatep
Post Number: 173
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 17, 2003 - 8:07 pm: | |
Hubert,
POC group are pretty cool
they enjoy people's company
I usually just show up during the track day
and sign up there. I'll find out from one
of the POC guys how to register early. |
Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member
Username: Hugh
Post Number: 434
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 17, 2003 - 11:16 am: | |
Gene-
Can I come out in my Hon-duh? I've run everywhere (in CA), but streets. If it's okay, please send me the registration materials as well.
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Gene Agatep (Gagatep)
Junior Member
Username: Gagatep
Post Number: 172
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 17, 2003 - 10:51 am: | |
awright Dom....
I love the 308 Dino's for its handling
I think it handles better that the GTB/S
Byron,
If you saw the schedule from the Willow website,
that was 2002, not 2003
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Dom Vitarella (Dom)
New member
Username: Dom
Post Number: 39
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 17, 2003 - 10:04 am: | |
Hi Byron,
Currently, my 6-point is in the Alfa. I'm picking up my GT4 on Sat (I've been waiting over a month for all repairs to be done after I bought it). Wish me luck (if the mechanic calls me today and tells me it's not ready, I'm going to scream!!).
I don't have a roll bar. The shoulder belts mount to the rear seatbelt mounts. I've seen lots of people do it this way, but I bet that a roll bar or roll cage would be better. It's hard to have a roll bar in a street car (My alfa is my daily driver). Supposedly, as long as the angle to the back mount is not too steep, you should be OK in the event of a crash.
I plan on doing the same thing in my GT4. It too will be a street car, so I doubt I will be able to fit a roll bar.
In the case of time trials, which are relatively safe, I think, the danger of a crash is small (though it does happen). The harness is there mostly to keep you in your seat. If you were to do all out racing, I definately would recommend a roll bar/cage.
Dom
Keeping my fingers crossed. I want my new toy tomorrow!!!
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Byron (Bmyth)
Junior Member
Username: Bmyth
Post Number: 156
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 16, 2003 - 10:43 pm: | |
Gene, I just checked out WillowSpringsRaceway.com ... It appears that March 1 is reserved for FasTrack Riders - motorcycles. Are you sure about the POC date? The Pantera Owner's Club has the Road Course reserved on Mar1 ... does anyone have a contact there?
I guess if I go... I can finally strap on my OMP harnesses and use my gate shift lock-out, eh?... Hmmm.... no extinguisher, though! DEFINITELY have to get me a roll-bar attachment for my digital video camera, too!
Dom do you have a roll bar/cage in your GT4? I'm not sure if it is advisable to use harnesses for non-rollbar equipped vehicles... others may not agree, but that is what I heard.
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Dom Vitarella (Dom)
New member
Username: Dom
Post Number: 38
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 16, 2003 - 6:14 pm: | |
I think a 5-point harness is a good idea. Actually, in my Alfa, I have a 6-point installed. That way, it mounts to existing Seat and Seatbelt connections, and no-drilling required.
I plan to put a 6 point in my GT4, as well as a fire extinguisher (which I think is a good idea in 308 cars, from what I hear).
Dom |
Gene Agatep (Gagatep)
Junior Member
Username: Gagatep
Post Number: 171
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 16, 2003 - 5:38 pm: | |
so far, i've been running my car entirely stock
the requirements are
1. SA1995 or SA2000 racing helmet
2. battery is not loose -
3. taped front lights (fog lamps for us
since we have pop-up lights)
4. remove all loose things in interior
(mats, pens, papers, bobble heads etc.)
5. good tires
optional but good to have:
racing gloves
racing shoes
fire extiguisher
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Dom Vitarella (Dom)
New member
Username: Dom
Post Number: 37
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 16, 2003 - 5:17 pm: | |
I've done time trials with the Alfa Romeo Owners Club of Southern California. Good group of people. Usually have events at Willow Springs, Buttonwillow. Usually weekend events (3 practice sessions on Sat, 2 on Sun, + 5 timed runs at the end of the day). The only thing is that AROSC requires a 5-point harness and mounted fire extinguisher. I understand many other clubs don't. I think the safety equipment is a good idea though.
Their website is www.arosc.org
I should be picking up my GT4 on Sat, if all goes well. I definately want to continue doing time trials, though I am usually limited by availble time. If I'm lucky, I'd like to get in 3 or 4 time trials this year in the new GT4.
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Gene Agatep (Gagatep)
Junior Member
Username: Gagatep
Post Number: 169
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 16, 2003 - 4:58 pm: | |
you're refering to the big track
the one for March 1 is the street track
http://www.willowspringsraceway.com/images/StreetNew.GIF
a more technical course
i'll send you the registration papers when I
get them from a friend in the POC
usually I just show up on the day then register and pay right there |
Byron (Bmyth)
Junior Member
Username: Bmyth
Post Number: 154
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 16, 2003 - 4:08 pm: | |
Oooh... sounds interesting. I think I may be interested in that. How do we register for the POC event? Is Streets of Willow the large 9-turn track? |
Gene Agatep (Gagatep)
Junior Member
Username: Gagatep
Post Number: 167
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 16, 2003 - 2:45 pm: | |
We warm up with Ortega on Feb 23rd
then run with POC on March 1st |
Gene Agatep (Gagatep)
Junior Member
Username: Gagatep
Post Number: 166
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 16, 2003 - 2:45 pm: | |
I've got March 1st on my schedule to run
with Porsche Owners Club - cost approx $120
Streets of Willow.
whole day event 7:00am until ?
They are open for F-cars to run with them.
Great group of people.
I need a headcount for our little F-chat
group who are interested. |
Byron (Bmyth)
Junior Member
Username: Bmyth
Post Number: 153
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 16, 2003 - 12:40 pm: | |
Would anybody like to volunteer to possibly set up a local track event for March?
Gene, I know you've been talking about this for some time... do you want to take this on? Perhaps we can synchronize the Dromo1 event with a track event so that we can warm up with Karts and the following week, take our cars out onto a track? |