| Author | Message | ||
| Gene Agatep (Gagatep)
Member Username: Gagatep Post Number: 297 Registered: 8-2002 |
accusational crap like these makes me very disinterested with any type of associations - FOC, FCC, FCA alphabet soup my objective in involving myself in these groups is primarily to enjoy my love for Ferraris with fellow enthusiasts when this objective is lost, then there is no point in being active - the whole "political" arena between each group trying to be in the middle ground takes too much energy and destroys the social club enjoyment the tone of FOC or FCA showing their discontent with Ferrarichat as a place to blame is becoming more evident the stronger this forum gets ARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| pete (Pete_peter)
New member Username: Pete_peter Post Number: 11 Registered: 12-2002 |
I've read the whole enchilada bro's :: here's my 2 centavos and stuff . short story two (i'm sorry, too) true story i used to be a member of FOC (in so cal) back around 1997, thought it would be a fun idea. it wasn't. from the start, i sent my membercheap to santa ana and somehow should have been sent to downey..(or vice versa) some b.s. like that, and it took 3 months to get it right. i then received my sticker and name badge (oooohhhh cooool ''''''' for $95 bucks !!!) and an OUTDATED (2 year old) directory ....with a promise from some very very very old dude that the new directory was almost done and blah blah blah....never got the new directory EVER. that was enough red flags for me the guy in charge must have been 95 years old, i swear, he was..everytime i called asking where my membership was he said "who, who's calling again"...probably had to have his wife drive him around in his ferrari cuz this guy was retired or sumthin' for a alooooong time anywayssss }}} i went on a few events and met a few people and the writing was on the wall, the FOC people "no offense of course" were really "OLD" in the head...fixed minded, stuffy, old folks home escapees....cool i guess, if that's who you want to hang around with....sort of reminded me of that episode of the little rascals when they tried to start their own club and argued about everything... my point is : FC people, and they're recent drives, appear to be more youthful, open minded, dynamic, groovy, abstract, 'pulp fiction' type people. I like that. Based on this theory, there was bound to be a clash sooner or later anyway, if not about this, about some other little petty thang that gets up someone's you know ..get my drift.. You want to be happy, laugh, and have a good time, (even when drain plugs don't go your way), follow FDC my 3 centavos (i tried to keep it to 2 centavos bro's but i drank too much this afternoon) hasta ! | ||
| Tambi (Blonde355f1)
Junior Member Username: Blonde355f1 Post Number: 53 Registered: 2-2003 |
you are so funny, you need to set up an event to a comedy club.....Don's / Matt's place. | ||
| Don Matteo (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 3016 Registered: 8-2002 |
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| Tambi (Blonde355f1)
Junior Member Username: Blonde355f1 Post Number: 52 Registered: 2-2003 |
Well...I might need to, as well due to those high heels. Haha Tambi | ||
| Don Matteo (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 3014 Registered: 8-2002 |
Tambi, I am glad Tex got a good laugh, remind me to duck at the right time. Thank you for your support and I will do the same. Matt | ||
| Tambi (Blonde355f1)
New member Username: Blonde355f1 Post Number: 50 Registered: 2-2003 |
Hi Matt, Yes it was great speaking to you, wow...what a long conversation we had, it was really fun. I am glad we are all on the same side and everyone realizes that. As you know I will back and support the F-chatters as I have always done. I really like the spirit of the group. I guess we have to take the good and the bad.....and drive!!! Can't wait to see you at the meeting and discuss some upcoming adventures. Thanks for letting me come out and play with you guys! Anyway, thanks for a great conversation, you are quite funny! Funny we were thinking alike on the posts. haha Tex got a good laugh, from what you told me;) Take Care, Tambi | ||
| Ron Shirley (Easy_rider)
Member Username: Easy_rider Post Number: 326 Registered: 12-2002 |
Rob, pretty funny.  But just remember, DON'T DIS THE DON!!! You might wind up sleeping with the fishes. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4027 Registered: 12-2000 |
Sell Out Matt! Just joking, I knew you would come around once you settled down and talked it out with FOC. Drive by here, my Ferrari, Kum-ba-jah Drive by here, my Ferrari, Kum-ba-jah (Kum-ba-jah) Drive by here, my Ferrari (here Enzo), Kum-ba-jah Oh Enzo, I'm driven' out, Kum-ba-jah (Oh Kum-ba-jah) | ||
| Don Matteo (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 3010 Registered: 8-2002 |
Tambi, It was a pleasure to speak with you today. I am glad that we worked this issue out. I look forward many miles of happy driving at all the various drives from all the clubs in the future. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 795 Registered: 10-2002 |
Wow. You left coasters do fight! When I come out in aug should I wear my full metal jacket that I brough home a few years ago? "IS IT SAFE?" | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 2981 Registered: 9-2001 |
Tambi - hopefully you will see we f-chatters are a very forgiving bunch and why people were/may still be upset. We are all on the same team for the most part. | ||
| Tambi (Blonde355f1)
New member Username: Blonde355f1 Post Number: 49 Registered: 2-2003 |
Good Morning, I feel bad regarding the whole thing ever took place to begin with. Yes I suppose I could have worded my 2 cents in a different manner, just as whoever decided to do this - could have thought better of what they were doing and not have done such. Unfortunately I have hurt some people I never intended to hurt, in reaction to some very intentional actions of others. | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 426 Registered: 10-2002 |
"I feel bad for Rob and the SoCal guys for being branded this way, its weired that the f-chat guys are seen a rebels to the status quo when it fact they are probably true tifosi" Tom, thanks for the kinds words and support. I think what most of us are forgetting here is that this IS, as Rob pointed out, a chat forum. Information on the internet is posted/passed freely, without censorship and intervention. That is the beauty of what we call FREE SPEECH. As for the membership directory, let's not even look at who passed the information to this establishment. It seems like the bigger problem here is why this establishment felt compelled to say that this was an FOC-sponsored event. If that is not the case, then case closed. All we have is a situation where someone got hold of a list and distributed information regarding a regular event they are hosting to a select group of members that have the obvious choice to pick up the postcard and throw it away. Take it up with the establishment and not Ferrarichat. Let's not be naive here - in this day an age, information is not totally hidden, and for any price, may be acquired. If somebody wants your membership directory, they will get it. If somebody wants an FCA list... they will find out how to do it. Simple as that. Instead of trying to point a finger at someone who did it, why not say: "Hey guys, this happened. I know some of you may have been to this place, and may know of this event. Let's put our heads together to figure out how this happened." This is the way to encourage constructive discussion. Chat forums do have a way of dividing people, and it is unfortunate to see some of this happening. A large percentage of us on these boards are members of both FCA and FOC, and the bickering I've been seeing back and forth is not only unprofessional but immature and insensitive. Lay this one to rest. Things like this happen all the time and pointing fingers and looking for "fall guys" is an unnecessary and inappropriate reaction directed to a forum where we discuss the cars we love to own and drive. This chat board has thousands of members who are active posters and inactive lurkers, and thousands more that just surf through the pages. In a sense, this is true public domain. I can't imagine how this reflects positively upon the organizations that we pay hundreds of dollars to be part of and the leaders that represent us. my 2 cents. | ||
| Don Matteo (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 3003 Registered: 8-2002 |
Tambi "The common link would be the discussions on F-chat regarding Plan B, the group that seems to be regulars it would seem mostly likely to have some involvement in this promoting of such." There was one discussion in Feb by the "regulars" and I still see no connection with Plan B except that it was mentioned. No one knew it a strip club until Tex told me last night. As Jean-Louis pointed out, a simple search on the name not only produced the information you were looking for, it provided other important information about the events that they have there. I had calmed down from last night but after reading that statement, I am more convinced I did the right thing by no longer wanting any association with the FOC. Blanket statements tossed in to an open medium such as f-chat do nothing but divide people. And that is exactly what has happened. I will look forward to the drives and the good times ahead and I hold no ill feeling toward you or Tex personally. I understand that the contact to me was made in the context of the FOC and not a personal attack. Matt | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 2971 Registered: 9-2001 |
With all due respect just because one person or two people went to this club and might also chat here is hardly as case for accusing all f-chatters in the Socal area - even for accusing one without evidence, I think it might have been better coming here seeking help to find out who did this than to accuse. As others have pointed out, the mailing list is in wide distribution and could have come from anyone. Furthermore I get junk mail all the time, both email and snail mail, some of it far more insulting than getting something from a strip club I feel bad for Rob and the SoCal guys for being branded this way, its weired that the f-chat guys are seen a rebels to the status quo when it fact they are probably true tifosi | ||
| Ron Shirley (Easy_rider)
Member Username: Easy_rider Post Number: 322 Registered: 12-2002 |
Good night Tambi, I too am going to shut it down and get some rest. Best regards, Ron | ||
| Tambi (Blonde355f1)
New member Username: Blonde355f1 Post Number: 48 Registered: 2-2003 |
Ron, you are right since most members are in both or all clubs it could have been anyone. The common link would be the discussions on F-chat regarding Plan B, the group that seems to be regulars it would seem mostly likely to have some involvement in this promoting of such. I would think as an owner of a ferrari we should all be concerned with how information is used or misused when it comes to the promoting of a complete membership base. And you are right the directory does give alot of information - that is why the club gets a little upset at it being used in ways other than intended as research materials and a yearbook of sorts for members own enjoyment. I guess one thing that has come out of this is a number of extra posts. Good Night. | ||
| Tambi (Blonde355f1)
New member Username: Blonde355f1 Post Number: 47 Registered: 2-2003 |
I soooo agree that the F-chat is a great deal and I have been nothing but supportive of the F-chatters when others might have been coming down on them regarding driving styles etc. So I want to see all clubs get along....just as there are many ferrari car models...there is room for more than one club. So with me that has never been an issue. As far as the thread link regarding Plan B....it is very enlightening indeed. I may have been wrong in using general terms when stating F-chatters, as I never mean't everyone was responsible, I was speaking in general to those or the person who was involved. I post only in the california section as that is where I am at, and would have figured that since the club is here in LA, and the threads we have had in this section regarding Plan B that someone knows who did this or might be the person. (I know someone in a previous thread asked me to attend the Plan B wed. meeting a while back while in the Ca Region...I declined.) Or just maybe someone would have just told the person involved that he should make sure anyone who requests are dropped immediately to do a little damage control. We are still talking about a release of a mailing list used for purposes never intended -for the targeting of Ferrari Owners Club members in this the SO. CAL area, at least for this event in this area...as per the type set on the flyer cards. I, now as many others will struggle with this establishment to have my name and address removed from their mailing list...and we all know how hard it is to get off something you don't want to be on. The inquiry to Matt was because I knew he was a major driving force with the F-chatters and probably knew most well and could give some insight on this unfortunate situation. I guess I would close in saying - as Rob mentioned the actions of a few can cause problems from time to time, but I am not going to stop driving a ferrari or enjoying events, as I am certain none of you plan to give up what we enjoy because of others... this will pass and hopefully never to happen again. But it is upsetting to work putting together such a publication for the benefit of those who own ferraris and have it used in such a fashion ....when one should know better. I hope to see everyone at the March madness event sunday and we can drive. | ||
| Ron Shirley (Easy_rider)
Member Username: Easy_rider Post Number: 320 Registered: 12-2002 |
Tambi, after reading the thread from Jean-Louis link I have another question. Is it possible that the owner of this club owns a Ferrari and is a member of the FOC? In fact, I think that you do not even have to be a Ferrari owner to be a member of the FOC. Since the FOC mails out this really nice book to all its members and therefore makes their names, addresses, phone numbers and email public information, couldn't you foresee that someone would use that information? I am sure that a lot of FOC members have businesses that could use this info. Any financial planner, real estate broker or agent, life insurance salesman and a host of other occupations could find this info very useful. Probably an FOC member was to blame for your unwanted mail but there is no shred of evidence that it was an Fchat member. Even if it was I would venture to say that a lot of FOC members are also members of this forum. As such it is not membership in this forum that caused them to "go bad" but their own self interests which have nothing to do with this forum. Finally, I would ask, what harm was done anyway? There is so much information about you in the public domain (including your membership info for FOC by virtue of the book) that this is insignificant in comparison. I get solicitation letters all the time from mortgage brokers indicating how much my current mortgage is (obtained from public records) and much other unwanted mail. It is pretty easy to toss this mail in the can where it belongs. You just need to do the same with this. I think you really should have thought twice before posting your "rant". By the way, until this thread I did not know what Plan B was or where it was. Regards, Ron | ||
| Robert Callahan (Rcallahan)
Junior Member Username: Rcallahan Post Number: 109 Registered: 7-2002 |
"Plan B" is a Strip Club?? How come I didn't get an invite? Tambi, what can I get by joining FOC that I don't already get from belonging to this chat site? And this site is FREE. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4021 Registered: 12-2000 |
I'm seeing a poor trend here with the Cali leadership of both the FOC and FCA. Seems to be a classification of all FerrariChat.com based on the actions of a few. Tambi: "You guys want to be accepted into the fold of the different ferrari clubs, yet behavior like this will not establish your group with the main ferrari clubs" Tino Mingori: "One item I came upon had something about "...pasta" in the title, and in the message was a photo. I don't recall the exact name of the thread, but perhaps you will know the one I am referring to. This thread and the accompanying photo is one example of why I am reluctant to be have my name or that of the FCA associated with the Ferrarichat website." I simply state my opinion that I can't believe smart adults in leadership positions make ignorant statements classifying all FerrariChat.com users and content based off the unacceptable behavior of limited user(s). Don't you understand that the reason FerrariChat.com works so well is that it's free, it's efficient, it's diverse, and it's immense. Everything that makes it good is also what puts it at risk for these rogue users. Any actions are in their name and not the name of FerrariChat.com. It's not a magazine I can review or edit before sending out a month later, it's not a membership application and $100 a year fee to weed out the "undesirables". Take FerrariChat.com for what it is, don't compare it to the FOC and FCA. They are different animals and each have their own strengths and weaknesses. I think the FOC and FCA need to realize this. I'm the DFW Chapter FCA president and I treat them separate. You won't see me mention FerrariChat.com at a FCA event and I haven't had a single FerrariChat.com/FCA related conflict. Is the problem a competitive attitude or does FOC and FCA feel threatened? No reason to be, FC is free, we're not going to take any members from you, FCA and FOC can only benefit as they get members from FerrariChat.com. That doesn't threaten me because I'm not really loosing anything, just sharing. FOC and FCA should be excited to work with FC to get new $100 a year paying members. I don't think you can beat the value of FerrariChat.com, but I also think FCA and FOC are a good value too. If you read FerrariChat.com every day you'll find at least one thing that ticks you off, but you'll find 99 things that teach you something, get you excited, give you an idea, save you money on a purchase, or just share a laugh. FerrariChat.com needs to be viewed with a certain frame of mind. Tino doesn't have it yet, but I think Tambi is about there. | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Junior Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 134 Registered: 2-2003 |
Yikes. Any of the e-mail addresses or phone numbers given to me or found on here won't be shared with anyone, period. I'm blessed with the friendships I've made through F-chat so far, love cars, and love to drive. Can't wait to own a Ferrari. I consider myself lucky those who do and love to drive hard have welcomed me in and befriended me regardless. And, given a regular venue of such drives I could participate on when no other Club or group I've been around will (save those in the So Cal NSX group). Sorry to hear certain people received unsolicited post cards from this Plan B place because of a local FOC/FCA/ex-member. Sunny | ||
| Jean-Louis (Jlm348)
Member Username: Jlm348 Post Number: 466 Registered: 11-2002 |
Tambi- This may be helpful in your search. It is always good to do research before you start accusing the southern Ca. region. http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/21/125613.html | ||
| Don Matteo (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 2992 Registered: 8-2002 |
Thank you Tambi but that will not be necessary. Regards | ||
| Tambi (Blonde355f1)
New member Username: Blonde355f1 Post Number: 46 Registered: 2-2003 |
Matt, I have contacted John C. and asked him to call you as I have explained to him that I have unintentionally offended you and by no means intended to. I hope you will continue to be part of the FOC as we all just want to enjoy our cars and have a good time. | ||
| Don Matteo (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 2991 Registered: 8-2002 |
Tambi, I stand by my comments and I will no longer be a member of FOC nor will I attend Monterey at the request of the president to show my cars. I wish you and Tex all the best Regards, Matt Lemus | ||
| Tambi (Blonde355f1)
New member Username: Blonde355f1 Post Number: 45 Registered: 2-2003 |
Matt, we called you as a source of help nothing more, as me and you had communicated in the past. sorry for any misunderstanding. I figured we could come to you for assistance with this. Nothing else was meant by Tex's call. For those F-chatters not involved we are sorry that someone has done this which casts cloud on f-chatters and those FOC members who now find themselves on a list they never intended to be on. I certainly hope you stay a FOC member, as the fun always outweighs the times like this. My apologies to any and all f-chatters not involved. Again whoever is responsible regardless of club membership(s) should have never done this. Sincerely, Tambi | ||
| Don Matteo (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 2990 Registered: 8-2002 |
Honesty? No harm no foul? Cancel my FOC membership. I what nothing to do with a club that accuses someone of releasing private information and then backtrack with such a flipant attitude. Please let John know that I will NOT be attending Monterey this year. I will NOT be bringing my cars and to save the postage for Pilota, I do not care to receive them any longer. Matt | ||
| Tambi (Blonde355f1)
New member Username: Blonde355f1 Post Number: 44 Registered: 2-2003 |
Matt, That you for your honesty, I am glad you and those who want to have clubs inwhich all feel welcome have not had anything to do with this. However in all the years of the FOC we have not had this problem and certainly the person who did this may be a member of both the FOC and F-chat. But inlight of the fact there are threads on f-chat about meetings at the plan b club, it would stand to reason this would be a contact source of reaching the person or persons involved to let them be aware that this is not acceptable behavior. Those who are not at fault, no harm no foul, but those who did this should have more respect for everyone as most are members of all ferrari clubs. Thanks for helping. Take care. | ||
| Don Matteo (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 2989 Registered: 8-2002 |
Tambi, I cannot help but get furious over this to the point I want to drop my FOC membership. If you were approached by a ferrari chat member to attend this club, Take it up with them, Don't call me and accuse me of it. I do not have the time to send out e-mails let alone mail postcards. Secondly, the tone taken in your posts relays nothing but disrespect to the people that are innocent and come to this site for information and to go on drives. I do not know who attends the club on a regular basis but take your battle with them. I only heard about this club last month with the players run was having a party and I only knew about that from the playersrun promoter and I did not know it was a stripclub until Tex called. Take you battle elsewhere. I consider this issue closed with me. regards. | ||
| Tambi (Blonde355f1)
New member Username: Blonde355f1 Post Number: 43 Registered: 2-2003 |
Hi Ron, yes we have leads and by the way why would Plan B target someone in another state to come to a so-cal car event...which is at nothing more than a strip club. (no disrespect). By the way it was a direct mail postcard not email, which means once someone is on these list ...you will have a hard time getting off. It would seem to be a F-chatter based on the fact some of the f-chatters attend this club on a regular basis. Maybe they are just trying to look like a big shot to the owner of the club and the possible business they can bring in. But in all my years in the ferrari clubs it was only until being on F-chat that I have seen the connection with plan b and some in this group who own ferraris ...further more I have been approached on more than one occasion to come to Plan B by F-chatters. I just want the F-chat group as a whole to know this is not right and hope anyone who knows the person who did this would advise him as such whether he lives here or elsewhere. It's just that simple. | ||
| Don Matteo (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 2988 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ron, It was a post card, not an e-mail | ||
| Don Matteo (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 2987 Registered: 8-2002 |
Tambi, I just got off the phone with Tex. I told him who I thought it was I can speak for only myself as a FOC member, I did not give my directory to anyone. It is sitting in the living room. The invitations we send out are for family drives and the addresses are obtained from the SO Cal contact list and from intrested parties to join our drives. I have never been to plan-b or even know where it is. I tried not to be annoyned at the tone taken over the phone, but I cannot help but feel accused. I am sorry this happened but take your search elsewhere. If the addresses were taken from the FOC directory, I would ask ALL the FOC members rather then point to Ferrarichat. Regards. | ||
| Ron Shirley (Easy_rider)
Member Username: Easy_rider Post Number: 318 Registered: 12-2002 |
Tambi, just curious, why do you think it was an Fchat member? Did any other FOC members receive the email? Also you posted this in the So Cal section. Do you think it was one of the SoCal people who did this? That FOC directory was a nation-wide mailing. Releasing a contact list to anyone is a very serious matter and should rightly be condemned but I would hope you are condemning the right source as well. | ||
| Tambi (Blonde355f1)
New member Username: Blonde355f1 Post Number: 42 Registered: 2-2003 |
Well, hello guys! We just got a surprise invitation from Plan B for the "Ferrari owners club members". Someone from the F-chatters group I guess thought it to be a great idea to turn over a Ferrari Owners Club Directory for a instant mailing list for the Plan B club and it's associates. We know this list came from the new directory as the address used in sending this invitation to this address for us would have only been connected in this fashion from the FOC Directory source. I want to say this was not a smart idea, as the FOC has been notified and the President will be contacting the Plan B corporate offices. I have been to Plan B and while it is a nice strip club, many of the members will not appreciate their information being used in this fashion. Ferraris and the ownership of such is not a boys only venue. As such you have now released members names and addresses to receive unwanted and unsolicited materials. I can assure you that the President of the FOC was not pleased with this. I want to make it very clear that whoever is responsible better remove the names: Tex K. Otto, and Tambi R. Willis....of course maybe you "guys" are weeding through the female names and only having the male names sent invitations. Whatever the case you better have our names removed promptly without fail. You guys want to be accepted into the fold of the different ferrari clubs, yet behavior like this will not establish your group with the main ferrari clubs. Both the FOC / FCA like to maintain a certain level of decorum. This would not be it. In the future please try to use more discretion. |