| Author | Message | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 350 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hi Guys - RTL is just great! Far better value for money. MARK | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 504 Registered: 3-2003 |
Hi Uwe, I`m happy with you and your new sound experience on your F328. I understand your reasons not going to Hockenheim. Sure, Bea & the Kids is much more important!!! Golf course, well we discussed this last weekend;-))) Prices, mhm you are right. We also don`t go for the race, just the party, action and awesome surrounding without paying anything for entry. We will see on Sunday the race at RTL. Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Uwe Ricken (Uricken)
Junior Member Username: Uricken Post Number: 56 Registered: 3-2003 |
Hi Wolfgang, currently spoken to R.F. All with the car is fine. I'm glad to hear the sound tomorrow. Hockenheim will not be my part because of three reasons: - return of Bea and kids from Poland (juppie ;-)) - golf course (last day) - to much expensive for driving in a circuit - it's better to see the summary on DSF at 08:00 pm. With red wishes Uwe Ricken | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 502 Registered: 3-2003 |
Hi & good morning Uwe, yes, a lots of fakes are at mobile.de So, you will be back a man tomorrow;-) Are you going to the Hockenheim Grand Prix this weekend? You know, its so close to me and only 3 km from my house. Hope to CU soon again Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Uwe Ricken (Uricken)
Junior Member Username: Uricken Post Number: 54 Registered: 3-2003 |
Hi Wolfgang, that is a good idea. I've seen 360 Spyder vor less than 20.000,00� in mobile.de ;-) I've been called to attention by carpassion but I think that's a fake :-) PS: Tomorrow I will get my "racing machine" back. Thomas will take me to R.F and I can pick up my "baby". It's total amazing ;-) With red wishes Uwe Ricken | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 501 Registered: 3-2003 |
Hi Mark, I stopped my hunting for the 512TR till October/November. Its still too expensive in summer to buy. So I can and will wait till end of the year, when the prices drop down a bit. Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 346 Registered: 10-2002 |
DAMN....that TR is beautiful!!!!!  MARK | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 345 Registered: 10-2002 |
Wolfgang - any progress in hunting down a TR?? MARK | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 482 Registered: 3-2003 |
Mark, otherwise, for me is the original Testarossa the REAL , old and made under Enzo`s construnction Ferrari. Mhmmm strange to find the right toy. I love the Testarossa sooooooooo much but the 512TR is faster, safer and better handling and I already own a `85 Ferrari. Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 340 Registered: 10-2002 |
The TR also seems to have a colour co-ordinated front spoiler. MARK | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 339 Registered: 10-2002 |
Oh yes - small details, but the TR looks like a more "polished" car. Beautiful. MARK | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 480 Registered: 3-2003 |
Mark, Testarossa: have a closer look to the lights, wheels, rear motor panel:   TR512:   Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 338 Registered: 10-2002 |
Wolfgang, When looking at the car are there any obvious indicators as to whether it is a 512 TR or a Testarossa? MARK | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 336 Registered: 10-2002 |
Wolfgang, I don't know about the power being up, but the car is quieter (Yes! Seriously!) and the fuel consumption has increased. But she runs beautifully! The electricals all work now, but the left hand door has an irritating internal rattle. I will have to figure out how to open it up and tighten whatever is loose. The right hand headlight is seriously cracked and I have no idea when or how that happened. It could only have been on the way to Germany a month ago. Nevertheless, I have contacted Ferrari UK and they can provide lenses for both LHD and RHD cars. It's interesting that the RDH (UK) lenses are much less expensive that the LHD (Euro/USA) lenses! I may just convert to UK lenses for obvious reasons. Can't wait to get out into the country this weekend! I'll be on my own again as Debra will be in Austria with visiting family. Later, MARK | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 479 Registered: 3-2003 |
Mark, hello good to CU somebody else on fchat.com Europe. I thought everybody is sleeping, vacation or so? Well about the differences testarossa / TR512: TR 512: - 30 PS more power - much better brakes and later `93 ABS - the engine is a bit deeper mounted in the car for better handling - 18" wheels with bigger & fater pneus and something more I don`t know. Overall the 512 TR is faster, safer and much better handling! I drove them both and IMO it worth it to pay a bit more! Mark, whats up with your car? I think you have got also 30 PS more after the exchaust sytemn has benn changed? Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 335 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hi Wolfgang, Please educate me - what is the difference between a 512 TR and a Testarossa? Is there a physical difference (with respect to outside appearance), or is it purely mechanical? I think I'll have to buy a book and research this matter! Thanks, MARK | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 475 Registered: 3-2003 |
Hi Steve, yes, and I`m going for the 512TR as soon as I can get one in mint condition, 1-2 owners, less kilometers till 40.000 (25.000 miles), 1993 or 1994 with ABS. Prices are in Germany around 70K US$ for the late 512 TR. A bit less (US$ 60K)for the early �91, `92. Still to expensive, so I will wait till end of the year, when the prices drops down as usual in winter here. Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Steve-o (355gto)
New member Username: 355gto Post Number: 3 Registered: 7-2003 |
Wolfgang, yes I agree with you 512 tr is the best, I believe (as well as many others will agree) one of the smoothest engines ever built by Ferrari, very different from the tr.. can I ask someone how much those 2 512's are going for, I can't read German??? GET A 512 while you can, theres only 2K out there!! | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 313 Registered: 3-2003 |
Mark, looking forward to CU you & Debra soon in Germany. But: "My wife will be following on in her Passat...." Great, so we will have 3-4 hours more time till she arrives with her car! "...and we will be leaving in the afternoon, so we won't be able to party..." You WILL...but we don`t let  you! "...TOO hard I'm afraid!! " We will do your very best & you won`t! FORZA FERRARI Wolfgang | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 291 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hi Uwe, That would be great!! I should arrive at about lunch time on the morning of Saturday 28th. Let's all meet at Mr. R.F's garage. Hey - it's going to be great to finally put faces to some of you guys My wife will be following on in her Passat and we will be leaving in the afternoon, so we won't be able to party TOO hard I'm afraid!!  Regards, MARK | ||
| Uwe Ricken (Uricken)
New member Username: Uricken Post Number: 27 Registered: 3-2003 |
Hi Wolfgang, hi Mark, don't forget to visit me in Frankfurt :-) When will you be at R.F.'s garage? Maybe I will to come to the garage (just for fun ;-)) and hope to get to know Mark in person. Wolfgang, give me only a call one day before you drive to R.F. and I will come with the ferrari to my office and then to R.F. Best regards, Uwe | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 301 Registered: 3-2003 |
Mark, thanks and its also confirmed by Mr. R.F. Spoke to him on Wednesday and he got all the infos about the work to do. So we are looking forward to CU on Saturday 28th. we will make arrangement of time and place a few days B4. About Ferrari/Wiesbaden: I`m a bit dissapointed to hear, that nobody called you. So please call yourself Mr. Eder from Wiesbaden: +49 611-2840940. Maybe, but I don`t think so, he has the wrong mobil number from you?! He speakes a fluent & better English then I do. Sorry, but we must find after 8 weeks a solution to make you happy again! Wolfgang | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 286 Registered: 10-2002 |
Wolfgang - Saturday 28th is now confirmed. I look forward to meeting you and Mr. R.F.!! MARK | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 587 Registered: 12-2002 |
Cool! I will join if that's alright! Ton | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 298 Registered: 3-2003 |
Jens, thats more than cool and we will see us within the next few weeks at ENGEL. Wolfgang | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 713 Registered: 9-2001 |
Wolfgang, Did not misunderstood you! Always glad to help a FChat brother out!  Hope to see you soon for some car talk and looking! Con saluti cordialissimi, Jens Haller | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 295 Registered: 3-2003 |
Jens, no, no, no pleeeeeeeeease don`t missunderstand me! Thats excactly what I would like to know: The condition and the first impression from a Ferrari DRIVER & LOVER!!!! All else Mr. R.F. is responsible for! You are a realy great help for me; please keep on my dear friend! Wolfgang | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 294 Registered: 3-2003 |
Sebastian, yes, I�m serious thinking about to buy a 512TR. My eyes are open for both testarossa & 512TR. "If I had the choice between the 12 and the V8..." A 12 cylinder is a 12 cylinder. You can`t beat that with any 8 cylinder! Reg.: Your famous web-site. I know very well how hard it is (you know my www.com) and I`m still working on a better, faster and more server friendly side. "Ehrenmitglied" What a honour & pleasure!!!! This will/should be my user name for your web-site - log me in please! "...the BB Event from 12.7.-13.7. 2003......" Sorry, what means BB event? Are you talking about the Ferrari Club Deutschland? I`m sorry, but I will NOT attend this event. There are so many reasons...too much to list! I also cancel my membership FCD this Friday evening at the FCD meeting. A few more members are also like me and do not wanted to get ripped from this guys. If you want to know more, you are welcome just call me over mobil or in my firm (you got my numbers) and we can talk offline. Wolfgang | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 711 Registered: 9-2001 |
Wolfgang, Sure: Just shoot me a mail or tell via thread. Will see what I can do. Just 50km away from me so no problem. Sadly I can only evaluate the usual things like optics, service history etc. so no great help in technical conditions. Con saluti cordialissimi, Jens Haller | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 293 Registered: 3-2003 |
Jens, thanks a lot again - you are preety coll and I�m so happy for your support! Well I know the red 512TR. A friend of mine from Heidelberg was on the way to buy this car 8 month ago. He didn`t `cause the kilometer and the service map with stamps doesn`t make any sence. I don`t know whats wrong but he told me sonething like: multiple owners (too much to list) always with the same ID on the licence plate. For ex.: M-AD 230 HN-AD 230 HD-AD 230 F-AD 230 a.s.o. you see what I`m talking about? And the service map has much more kilometers as the odometer already shows....mmhm? But anyway I will call him next week `cause Ulli wanted to go to him. Maybe we can arrange a meeting there? Wolfgang | ||
| Sebastian_DE (Car_�lite)
Junior Member Username: Car_�lite Post Number: 68 Registered: 2-2003 |
Jens, thats http://www.sportwagen-engel.de/ | ||
| Sebastian_DE (Car_�lite)
Junior Member Username: Car_�lite Post Number: 67 Registered: 2-2003 |
Wolfgang, I LOVE the 512 TR and the M-series. If I had the choice between the 12 and the V8...hm, would be a difficult decision to make. Although the 355 is my dream car... Thanks for your nice words about my website. Yes, was some work to do, but I love the new design and the easy way to admin the site. Due to the fact that I did not have much time the past 3 weeks, there is no English version available at the moment. "Ehrenmitglied" - well, why not? I think that's a good title that I dedicated to you. I got the first series of pictures (remember racing days?) with real exclusive shots...and this is the next amazing series you took. I'll get you a bottle of good Italian wine in return for that, believe me ;) Oh, we registered for the BB Event from 12.7.-13.7. 2003. We'll take the black one, stay at a hotel near the "Kurpark" Saturday to Sunday night. Do you know anything about a "Concours d'Elegance" for modern cars? Would like to take part there with our beauty... www.ferrari355.de www.carelite.com (german only for the moment) | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 710 Registered: 9-2001 |
Wolfgang, Ton and me have as well been to Sportwagen Engel yesterday. He has two 512TR at the moment. Both are in decent conditions and have a fair price. See his website: www.sportwagen-engel.com BTW: The yellow one has run 133000km but still looks very, very unused due to the extended maintenance done. Just a hint since you seem to have good connections to him as well. Con saluti cordialissimi, Jens Haller | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 292 Registered: 3-2003 |
Sebastian, I love your 355 Spider its a beautiful car in more than excellent condition. But to be honest I damm need right now a 12 zylinder! I`m also looking for a 512TR for the right price. Just back from your web-site. Well, well done the new outfit -prof. work, respect! What does it mean "Ehrenmitglied"? I`m ashamed. Why, for what reason. Com on its a pleasure for me to share the pics with you. Wolfgang | ||
| Sebastian_DE (Car_�lite)
Junior Member Username: Car_�lite Post Number: 66 Registered: 2-2003 |
Wolfgang, come get my 355 ;) Btw, thanx, the pics have arrived. I'll put them up until saturday, will email you as soon as possible. www.ferrari355.de | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 291 Registered: 3-2003 |
Hi Gents, so, I spoke/phoned 3 times with Mr. Koch tis morning. Top bottom cash 50K. Mhm, still something like f**** expensive for a testarossa; and not only in my opinion. I also had a longer phone conversatino with Mr. R.F.: "toooo much!" Yes I`m sad & dissapointed but it will push me harder to find the right one for a resonable price. Maybe it will get cheaper at the end of the summer...I have time enough to wait till the prices step down for winter season. Anyway, please gents let me know if you find another one. I appreciate your friendly help very, very much. Thanks in advance. Wolfgang | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 288 Registered: 3-2003 |
Jens & Ton, gents you are GREAT !!!! Thanks a lot for your time to have a look on the testarossa. I`m highly delighted to hear the good news. Sound like this is the car "to die for"? Its still a lots of money for a testarossa but if it worth it....mhmm?!? Otherwise, if I�m going to by one for 40-45k and spend another 10 for a major service and bla, bla, bla its better to get a 100% perfect one. Sooooo, I first will call Mr. Koch (is it Mr. koch who is responsible?) and if we can find a solution by phone call, I will call Mr. R.F for .....you know! Wow, it looks like I�m on the way to buy this beauty. Perfect - tomorrow is FATHER`s DAY! Stay in touch with you & once again thank you so much gents. Wolfgang | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 281 Registered: 10-2002 |
Oooh!! Sounds wonderful MARK | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 581 Registered: 12-2002 |
Hi Wolfgang, Jens is right! This Testarossa is worth the visit. It is in very good condition. Phone them and make an appointment for a testdrive!! Then talk about the price or decide afterwards. Ton | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 708 Registered: 9-2001 |
Wolfgang, Did forget to mention: The car was registered 1992 and it�s VIN was the usual ZFF...1069 as far as I remember. Con saluti cordialissimi, Jens Haller | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 707 Registered: 9-2001 |
Wolfgang, I have been to Auto Koch with Ton today. The Testarossa is there and the car is really in MINT condition. The interior and the engine bay look virtually brand new. The front spoiler has very few stone chips and looks good, too. Car has had it�s last service with cambelt change this year, new T�V and ASU this year, too. Additionally it has four brand new Michelin tires and a TUBI sport exhaust which looks very nice, too. Car is a german version delivered from Auto Becker. It has full papers and stamps for every service in it�s warranty sheet. The saleswomen assured that it is in absolutely perfect mechanic conditions and the two owners cared for it well. There was no rust I could see anywhere. Did not ask about discount but there should be one when you pay cash. I don�t know about the real conditions of the car since I am no mechanic but the engine bay looked absolutely MINT and the interior (even the knobs and center console) was flawless (No visible wear of the black leather seats, too) I really recommend to have a look at the car although the drive for you might be quite long! Perhaps you just call them to arrange a test drive or something. Con saluti cordialissimi, Jens Haller P.S. Perhaps Ton can add something about the car too! | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 283 Registered: 3-2003 |
Jens, you might be right saw Bad Breisig on the map, its real close to Bonn. So hopefully the car is at Auto-Koch and he is responsible for the sale. I`m nervous and excited. Try to test drive the car if possible and please have a closer llok to the inspection map. Thanky you so much for your help Jens! Wolfgang | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 706 Registered: 9-2001 |
Wolfgang, Just looked up that car at mobile.de. It is indeed the same car. Bad Breisig is very near to Bonn, too and the km are nearly identical. Guess this one just forgot to draw back the offer when having sold it to Auto Koch. That�s just a guess off course. I can verify or clear up that shortly when having a look at the car. Till then! Con saluti cordialissimi, Jens Haller P.S. Perhaps a conseignment with different dealers who offer the same car? | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 282 Registered: 3-2003 |
Mark, RED, RED, RED like Enzo Ferrari once a time said: "You can order your Ferrari in any colour you want, as long, as it is RED!" Wolfgang | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 277 Registered: 10-2002 |
By the way Wolfgang, which TR? The Black one in Switzerland or the Red one? MARK | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 276 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hi Wolfgang, No problem - glad I can be of help. Kim Denning is a good guy to work through...I had a positive experience with him. Talking dates - it looks like I will be able to make Frankfurt on the 28nd (will drive through in the morning with a friend). If a week's going to be enough time for all the work I want done, then the trip on the weekend of July 5 will be a reality!! Let's speak. Cheers, MARK | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 280 Registered: 3-2003 |
Mark, just back from http://www.dennigcars.com and found one of interest: http://www.dennigcars.org/used_ferrari.htm The one from Swiss. I droped him an email and lets have a look how much he is asking for this beauty? Thank you so much for your help Mak, I appreciate every tip to find my new toy. Wolfgang | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 279 Registered: 3-2003 |
Hi Mark, great to CU back here. Well, its hard to find the right toy. You know, we all want to get the very best for cheap cash. Call you later over mobil reg. R.F. garage date and Wiesbaden/Maranello. Wolfgang | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 273 Registered: 10-2002 |
Wolfgang, I found my can through Kim Dennig at Dennig Cars. He has 6 cars listed, three of which are in Europe. Take a look at: http://www.dennigcars.com ...all around EUR 54,000. Regards, MARK | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 271 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hi Gents - I'm back from Bulgaria. Nice to see that the detective work continues Wolfgang! Good luck MARK | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 278 Registered: 3-2003 |
Hello Jens, just found on mobile.de the same car again. Who is the owner/seller???? Same car 2 different prices, 2 different kilometers but I`m sure its the same?! http://www.mobile.de/SIDOlMJmbaFaKJte8cbKWABtA-t-vexlCsK%F3P%F3R~BmSA7J1054022822A1CCarY-t-vctpLtt~BmPA1B21B20B47d-t-vMkSm_xsO~BSRA5B14JtestarossaA0A0/cgi-bin/da.pl?bereich=pkw&id=11111111119900724&top=24& Wolfgang | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 275 Registered: 3-2003 |
Hello Jens, sorry, I started a new thread `cause I do not want to go "Off-Topic" with the Donington-Thread. Thank you so much to take you time for a closer look to the Bonn/Koch/Testarosa. Its realy a beautiful car with documents, less kilometers in a great condition. I`m wondering whats the real price is? You can call me 24 hours over my mobil, still the same number: 0170/1647222 Thanks in advance and hope to hear from you. Yes, I`m hungry for the 12 cylinder!!! Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI |