| Author | Message | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 497 Registered: 10-2002 |
Yeeee-haaaa!! We won....but it's unfortunate that Raikonnen came in second. Japan here we come!! Cheers, MARK | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 495 Registered: 10-2002 |
VIVA THE RED TEAM!!! MARK | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 494 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hi Guys, I'm back from the shops. The weather here was great all weekend but it has now started drizzling lightly. Not fun on a motorcycle! Wolfgang, that's an excellent photo of your car on mobile.de. Like Ton, I think that the relatively high kilometres may be the issue for a lot of people. Also I don't think it is the very best time of the year to be selling. I bought this time of the year and it was more than 6 months later (in the spring) before I could really use the car. That's 6 months of insurance and garaging for nothing. This may put people off. Put it on the market in the spring and you'll probably get a flood of prospective buyers! You always get screwed with trade-in's unfortunately. Cheers, MARK | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 848 Registered: 3-2003 |
Dealers....in anyway and anycase! Sorry guys must leave the chat for today we are going to meet us with some friends for the TV F1 party. Start at 19:00p.m. and the race will start at 20:00p.m. Hopefully Michael or at least Rubens will do it! It was a great Sunday afternoon together with you gents - thanks a lot what a pleasure with you, you made my day! Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 698 Registered: 12-2002 |
Yes unfortunately that's the way it goes! | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 847 Registered: 3-2003 |
Ton, I did! Yes, I offered my 308 at several dealers for trade to buy a Testarossa or 512TR paying the difference cash. I swore you: I never do this! I was realy, realy pissed off. For example (upon request I will send you off-line the dealers name): Testarossa priced/asking 49K He would like to take my 308 in trade for 25K and no more reduction on the 49K testarossa. -25K is (IMO)not a serious offer -no reduction on his firm 49K price I asked him (without taking notice of his offer/sales price): Whats about a difference from 20K cash in trade for my 308......he was just laughing...no! Yes, it hurts me and thats not the way doing serious business with a potential buyer. Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 697 Registered: 12-2002 |
Wolfgang, I don't think that your car is overpriced! But probably the high milage scares people away. Why don't you use your 308 as a trade when you purchase the Testarossa. BTW yesterday there was also a yellow F 512 M. Beautiful!!! Ton | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 845 Registered: 3-2003 |
Sebastian, I do not trust in any odometers! But please give me some details to check: -Pre Owners -Accident Free -Service map -Year -Condition, Extras (Tubi, Fuchs etc.) -Km??? -Price -wwww. web-site to see some pics? Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Sebastian_DE (Car_�lite)
Junior Member Username: Car_�lite Post Number: 101 Registered: 2-2003 |
Wolfgang, when I was at Barcelona yesterday I found some nice offers and thought of you...maybe it's interesting for you. German cars, Testa, 90', only ~ 20 tkm...good deal. And a 85' with 22 tkm...even better. Just contact me for details... www.car-elite.com | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 843 Registered: 3-2003 |
Sure Ton, but otherwise if you (exactly I right now) want to buy a Ferari for 60-70K, you won`t get the cash-price-reduction you are asking for. Its curious to me. Is my 308QV overprized? I thought there is no market for big 12 cylinders and I can buy a 512TR for a resonable price...but no way right now - nad its not any longer summer. Whats wrong? Its not only the economical depression IMO. `cause my business is still running like a rocket in the upper price class...not in the lower-yes,there is a brake. Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 696 Registered: 12-2002 |
I think that the market is slow because of the economical depression. People cannot afford this kind of luxury at the moment. Ton | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 842 Registered: 3-2003 |
WOW, over 14.000km a year thats good to hear buddy! Where have you been with your Ferrari..some vacation in Italy? About my 308QV mobile.de avertise: http://www.mobile.de/SIDD8VIFvd6r.6vbKGZO0v0BQ-t-vaNexlCsAsK%F3P%F3R~BmSB10LsearchPublicJ1064766641A1LsearchPublicCCarX-t-vctpLtt~BmPA1A1B20B13l-t-vMkMoSm_xsO~BSRA6D8600G308%FF%A0GTSF308GTSA0A0/cgi-bin/da.pl?bereich=pkw&top=5&id=11111111126298476& I`m very amazed, 0,00 reaction! No calls, mails or anything else. Maybe you can delight me whats wrong with the market. Its (IMO) the cheapest QV GTS in awesome great condition with some goodies like Katalysator, 348 wheels, lower kit, spacers, Tubi Style...a.so.. Is it about the km???? I know many Ferraris on sale telling us 30-50.000km but its not tru...they have over 70.-90.000km and changed odometer. My car is honest & true but still no reaction. I`m still wondering whats up???? Good question Ton! Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 695 Registered: 12-2002 |
Did you already get some reactions on your ad at mobile.de? Ton | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 694 Registered: 12-2002 |
Same! I have put more then 14.000km on the 328.  Ton | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 841 Registered: 3-2003 |
Ton, maybe the belgian televison did some records and will broadcast this? Especially your driving over the bridge with the VIP`s. In Germany its also cloudy and a bit rainy. I think the super summer is now over. But anyway, I have done on my 308QV this year over 15.000km. Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 693 Registered: 12-2002 |
Wolfgang, My wife was brought to the event from the parking with a limousine after we arrived. I joined her later that night at the party. I did not bring my camera. So, sorry but no pics. Ton btw Mark, put it back online again when your wife gets home. | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 840 Registered: 3-2003 |
....I`m 24 hours online & waiting Mark;-) | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 493 Registered: 10-2002 |
Oh....much more dangerous that that Ton!!  Nooo...I just bought it as a toy. It's disconnected at the moment, but maybe I'll try to reconnect again tonight. Cheers MARK | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 839 Registered: 3-2003 |
Ton, ups sorry, but please enlight us, how you handeled/drove the Ferrari with 2 ladys? I`m sure its funny but not save. "..and I danced all night with her.." WHOM, your wife or Joyce??? .....still kidding;-) No, serious have you done some pics or was it just forbitten to photograph? Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 692 Registered: 12-2002 |
Well Mark, What is it with this webcam thing? Can we see you at home? Is it like Big Brother? Ton | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 492 Registered: 10-2002 |
Good Man! MARK | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 691 Registered: 12-2002 |
I think that I have to dissapoint you on this lads! My wife was also at the party and I danced all night with her after we parked the Ferrari. Ton | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 838 Registered: 3-2003 |
Ton, you realy make me envious. Come on please give us some indiscret details....we are just 3 people here online and nobody else is reading this site;-))))) I`m sure you gave the full throttle  Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 491 Registered: 10-2002 |
I'm off to the shops - see you guys in half an hour. Oh...and it seems as if we may have a rental apartment in London. Things are slowly falling into place! MARK | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 490 Registered: 10-2002 |
He-he...."That, madam, is NOT the handbrake"!! Haa-ha-ha!!  MARK | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 690 Registered: 12-2002 |
The drive was only a few minutes! But she was really impressed when I gave it full throttle on the bridge. The crowd was cheering when we stopped. Ton | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 488 Registered: 10-2002 |
Agreed - good to have you both here!! That photo relates directly to the song I'm listening to at the monent: The Darkness "Get Your Hads Off My Woman (Motherf*cker)" Cheers, MARK | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 837 Registered: 3-2003 |
Ton, "real life"????? How looooooooooooooong was your drive to the event;-))))) Have you had a brake-down;-) Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 689 Registered: 12-2002 |
I originally planned to wash the Ferrari today but it has started to rain.  Ton | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 836 Registered: 3-2003 |
Ton, same feeling like me, when I jumped on the thread 1/2 hour ago. What a feeling to know there are some old friends around and we are together online on this Sunday afternoon, thanks! Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 688 Registered: 12-2002 |
She was very friendly and in real life she is even more beautiful then on the pics. Ton | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 687 Registered: 12-2002 |
BTW It is good to see the "good ol' crew" back online! | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 835 Registered: 3-2003 |
Ton heared about "Joyce de Troch " but I WOULD LIK TO DRIVE her...crazy;-)  | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 686 Registered: 12-2002 |
Well Mark, it was a special disco night with lots of glitter and glamour. Big fun! Ton | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 685 Registered: 12-2002 |
Yes it was a great night indeed. I drove the route four times and one of the personalities was Joyce de Troch (take a look at her picture on Google.com). It was also fun to blast the Ferrari over a bridge to the VIP Hollywood style entrance with thousands of people watching and lots of press. Ton | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 487 Registered: 10-2002 |
DISCO!!! Do those places still exist!! MARK | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 486 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hi Ton & Wolfgang, At what time does RTL-2 start the Formula One broadcast tonight? And what happened with Schumi - only 7th!! Cheers, MARK | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 833 Registered: 3-2003 |
Ton, 14.000 people in a disco???? Amazing big event & disco. Who was your VIP passenger on the drive to the event? Sounds like you realy enjoyed the night...till 07:00a.m. with champagne, Ferraris, girls? Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 684 Registered: 12-2002 |
It was a huge disco event. There were 14.000 people. It was great to have acces to the VIP lounge and drink champagne all night. The VIP's were mostly belgian television personalities. Ton | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 832 Registered: 3-2003 |
WOW Ton, sounds fantastic! Who else ("real VIP`s")were invited? What was the reason for the event? Got some pics from the drive or event? I`m very happy & proud to hear, that you drive & enjoy your Ferrari again!!! What a feeling! I`m sure you have missed it!? Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 683 Registered: 12-2002 |
Good! I had a really good evening with the Ferrari last night. We brought some (real) VIP's (TV, Movies, etc) from a parking to a big dancing event in Antwerp with 12 Ferrari's over a road that was cleared by the police! It was fantastic! After that we also joined the party with VIP tickets. It was fantastic and lasted until 07.00 this morning. There were several acts. Gloria Gaynor was one of them. Ton | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 830 Registered: 3-2003 |
Hi Ton, thanks & you are right! Good to CU here on an anamusing Sunday afternoon, waiting for the F1 race. I think MARK is also online?? Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 682 Registered: 12-2002 |
Wolfgang, It must be Taoism! This just wasn't the right car. There is a better one waiting for you. Don't worry! Ton | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 827 Registered: 3-2003 |
Mark, you are so coooooooooool! I have watched you & your web-cam over 2 hours.....totaly motionlessness - RESPECT! How can you manage this? I will be back on your web-site/cam tonight...maybe some more movement;-)))) Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 484 Registered: 10-2002 |
Wolfgang, Start a subscription webcam like the rest of us http://www.volweb.cz/malfark/ My God - I know I've lost 22 kilos since last year, but was I really THAT fat??  Cheers, MARK | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 823 Registered: 3-2003 |
Anybody else for the 512TR? If so, I would like to start a donation-account to help me a bit for a quick deal....to be honest its 5-8K over my cash budget. But I will work harder and harder on it. Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 479 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hi Heiko....the 512TR gets my vote too. MARK | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 821 Registered: 3-2003 |
Heiko, thats exactly what I`m thinking about in this time! The TR prices are running higher & higher and are so close to the 512er...its just a smal step. Maybe you are right and I should call R.F.! Thanks Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 820 Registered: 3-2003 |
no, no, realy not wealthy! Just a bit stupid or still a kind. Usual I drive realy very canniest...but you know the story with the beast...cull/hunt...a.s.o Yes, I apologiced me by all the Swiss gents for my speeding....I`m a bad boy;-) Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Heiko (Hgparts)
Junior Member Username: Hgparts Post Number: 203 Registered: 3-2003 |
hey wolfgang go with the 512TR as you planed before you saw the Testarossa. maybe you have a little luck like me with the 355. i hope this for you that you find a good one for less money maybe RF knows something in the future too heiko | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 477 Registered: 10-2002 |
The wealthy mans firework show = racing your Ferrari through sped-traps!! I like it MARK | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 818 Registered: 3-2003 |
Mark, since I was a child, I was always impressed when I saw a brilliant-firework. Now, I`m old enough to arrange my own firework/illumination driving all around Europe;-) Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 475 Registered: 10-2002 |
...Ja, Ja!! So says the "Multiple-Illumination Man"!! MARK | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 813 Registered: 3-2003 |
Mark, thanks a lot but no reason to get tears in my eyes. Yes, its a sign and I`m sure, that I will find a much, much better one!! I`m not in a rush and there is no need to speed;-) Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Mark Pautz (Malfark)
Member Username: Malfark Post Number: 467 Registered: 10-2002 |
Sh*t, Sh*t, SH*T!!!! That's terrible news Wolfgang. I am so depressed for you. Mabe it's a sign - wait for a better deal. MARK | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 776 Registered: 3-2003 |
Thanks Matthieu, thats exactly the point and my first thoughts! At least its "cheaper" to pay more here in Europe and you know the history and of course most of the Ferrari drivers knows HOW to drive, handel and service their beloved Ferrari. Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Gladieux Matthieu (Sferrari)
New member Username: Sferrari Post Number: 11 Registered: 9-2003 |
Yes, in Middle East, it is cheaper. I've been in Abu Dhabi and Dubai, and that's true that the cars, and specially Ferrari, are really interesting in term of pricing... But be aware that the reputation of that market is not good. I couldn't say exactly why, but some people say : the maintenance is not well done, the sand and sea proximity dammage the painting and the chassis, the cars are not used often (that explain the low dangerous mileage you saw for the TR '89 with only 4000km !!), and when they use the car, they really use it (even with cold oil). You have also to add the transportation (about 2000� for France) and VAT (about 20% in France)... So I don't know, it seams to be very attractive, but before to start dealing with a car from Dubai or Saudi... try to know very very well the past of the car and the owner(s). But maybe you can make a good deal, that deserves a deeper inquire... To be continued ! Matthieu | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 775 Registered: 3-2003 |
Adnaan, on the first view it looks cheap & logical. But whats about shipping costs, VAT? In which condition are the cars? Any (prof.!)services done...sorry,where the hell in Saudi? Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Adnaan Rasool (Adnaan)
Junior Member Username: Adnaan Post Number: 59 Registered: 4-2003 |
Its cheap becasue the 2nd hand market is very small. Its mainly the royal family who will buy that sort of car, and they always prefer to buy new. Therefore people like us get to pick up bargins! | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 774 Registered: 3-2003 |
Craig, Adnaan, Matthieu, thanks and of course you are right - there will/must be another and better one somewhere...and I will find it! No, I realy don`t cry. I`m just a bit dissapointed. WHY is Saudi sooooo cheap to buy? Whats the reason? Heiko told me the same a few month ago. (He was on a business trip in Dubai) A LM002 for BP 11K...thats nothing! Congratulation a real 12 cylinder Lambo. Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI | ||
| Adnaan Rasool (Adnaan)
Junior Member Username: Adnaan Post Number: 58 Registered: 4-2003 |
When I was in Saudi earlier this year I almost bought a 89 Testarossa for about �18,000. The car was Red with beige leather, 4000 kms total mileage! Excellant condition, and one owner from new. The only reason why i didnt buy it is becasue my contract was terminated early and I had to return to the UK. I may be going back over to work again, but I doubt the car is still available. Shame really. Oh and I almost bought a Lambo Jeep for �11K. Went to see a Black 360 too. 2002 model, 3K miles. F1 gearbox. Guess how much... �10,500! Unfortunately it had been involved in an accident and had a lot to repair. I took pictures of the car, so if anyone is interested in seeing them let me know, and i'll post them. | ||
| Gladieux Matthieu (Sferrari)
New member Username: Sferrari Post Number: 8 Registered: 9-2003 |
You have such a big choice on mobile.de that you will find much better for cheaper I guess ;-) That's better to think this way than to start crying for the loss... But for sure that's an unlucky event, at least unpredictable ! Best luck for your TR search ! Matthieu | ||
| Adnaan Rasool (Adnaan)
Junior Member Username: Adnaan Post Number: 57 Registered: 4-2003 |
What an Asswipe! Sorry to hear that Wolfgang. Good luck in looking. | ||
| Craig Williams (Craigw)
Junior Member Username: Craigw Post Number: 198 Registered: 4-2002 |
bad luck Wolfgang, keep looking & I'm sure you'll find a better one. | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 772 Registered: 3-2003 |
Hi gents, I have told you about my plans to by my next dream car: Ferrari TESTAROSSA The story started with this thread at ferrarichat.com: http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/174013/311533.html?1063998763 Maybe, this was my fault! I spoke to the owner several times over phone and we both have had a very good feeling and everything was fine and on the right way. Our first appointment has been canceled by the owner `cause he was on a business trip and we decided to meet us on my way back from the Austria-Ferrari-Drive last Sunday. We spoke again several times and I drove to Austria with the cash in my pockets and a very, very good feeling��again, I posted this here at ferrarichat.com with our new meeting date and purchase day � once again my fault! The owner called me during my Austria trip over cell-phone and told me realy very sorry and he apologized to me 100 times during our phone conversation what happened: A gentelman from Sweden (????) called him, that he has seen his Testarossa at www.mobile.de AND he has been also following a thread in an internet Ferrari forum about this car and sombedody will be on the way to buy this car on Sunday (yes, that was me,-) The owner told him, that the car will be ON HOLD for me (Wolfgang) till Sunday when I arrive at him. One day later, on Friday, the Swedish-Assclown flow direct from Sweden to Munich. Without any appointment, he just flow over to Munich, took a cap to the owner and smashed him all the cash without any discusson or test drive on the desk! To me understandable, the owner made the 5 seconds cash deal�� The Rest of the story is clear: No Testarossa for Wolfgang Must start again the search for the right toy No more details here at the forum B4 I have the contract and the car belongs to me. I don`t know the name of the Assclown (and I don`t want to know it). I`m also sure, he is not an active member of the board, maybe just an observer? Nevertheless I would like to wish the proud new owner of this beautiful & amazing Testarossa: Good Luck & Enjoy Your Drive! Anyway � Destiny Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI |