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Ton Visser (Lion315)
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Post Number: 754
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 - 3:08 pm:   

Here we go!

This one is in Switzerland on my way to Maranello.

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Ton Visser (Lion315)
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Post Number: 753
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 - 3:00 pm:   

I already posted a picture of myself a while ago in the General Discussion section (ask Roel). But let me have a look for a new one.

Ton
Rico Nijhof (Riconijhof)
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Post Number: 112
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 - 2:48 pm:   

I did, down to the bottom....

oh and of course my girlfriend:

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Dirk de Jager (Dj_dirk)
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Post Number: 302
Registered: 2-2002
Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 - 2:47 pm:   

How about you Ton?
Ton Visser (Lion315)
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Post Number: 752
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Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 - 2:43 pm:   

There we go!

Who's next?

Ton
Dirk de Jager (Dj_dirk)
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Post Number: 301
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Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 - 2:37 pm:   

LOL Ton

good one :-)

BUT i'm not affraid to post a pic of myself, so here goes :-)
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edit: it was a very good cigar and a great irish coffee ;) :-)
Ton Visser (Lion315)
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Post Number: 750
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Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 - 2:29 pm:   

I recognize you in the pic Dirk! You do look 7 months older then the last time that I met you.

:-)

Ton
Dirk de Jager (Dj_dirk)
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Post Number: 300
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Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 - 2:27 pm:   

Yep Rico yur right in your edit

BTW Wolfang
do you really think taht i'm taht old???
i am crazy but i don't think i'm crazy like the guys of AC/DC :-)
Ton Visser (Lion315)
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Post Number: 747
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Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 - 2:18 pm:   

Bob,

I am impressed by the beautiful pics. Keep it up! I am looking forward to more of your work.

Ton
Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
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Post Number: 1006
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 - 2:01 pm:   

also a big lol, the pic in my edit.
1% sure its him...
So we are waiting for DIRK to enlight us;-)

Wolfgang
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Rico Nijhof (Riconijhof)
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Post Number: 111
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 - 1:54 pm:   

lol, the pic in my edit.
99% sure its him...
Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
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Post Number: 1004
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 - 1:19 pm:   

����hhh, which one now?
Can you probably enlight us Dirk?
Or just put a REAL pic in your profile.

Oooh stop wait, maybe I have found another one from DIRK...isn`t this Dirk???
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Wolfgang
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Rico Nijhof (Riconijhof)
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Post Number: 110
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 - 1:06 pm:   

5 pics down from here I guess. The picture of the 250 GT SWB front. lol

EDIT: Oh no no, the one below that. the one in the middle with the white pully. :D
Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
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Post Number: 1002
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Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 - 11:53 am:   

please, which one Dirk?
Wolfgang
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Dirk de Jager (Dj_dirk)
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Post Number: 299
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Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 - 11:49 am:   

LOL
i can see myself in one of your pics Bob
Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
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Post Number: 996
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Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 - 9:29 am:   

BOB my god BOB,
are you a prof. photographer????
Damn, what amazing shots from a awesome perpective. Unbelievable, thanks for those great pics. You should work on a Ferrari-Calendar! Respect!
Wolfgang
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Bob (Dr_bob)
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Post Number: 93
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 - 9:23 am:   

Tomorrow, have to go now

Bye
Rico Nijhof (Riconijhof)
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Post Number: 109
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 - 9:09 am:   

Nice pics!
Got some more F355?
Bob (Dr_bob)
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Post Number: 89
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 - 8:33 am:   

Last ones, Higher resolution available on request
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Bob (Dr_bob)
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Post Number: 88
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Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 - 8:32 am:   

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Bob (Dr_bob)
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Post Number: 87
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Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 - 8:31 am:   

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Bob (Dr_bob)
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Post Number: 86
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Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 - 8:29 am:   

ok, some photos here
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Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
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Post Number: 985
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Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 - 1:48 am:   

Bob,
sure, we need more pics. Keep them coming buddy!
Sorry for my delay, I was off for a business trip to Dallas/TX and arrived yesterday late evening back in Germany.

Wolfgang
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Bob (Dr_bob)
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Post Number: 71
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 4:17 pm:   

Need any more pictures?
I got lots more, but do not want to bother you people with it :p
Boudewijn Berkhoff (Boudewijn)
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Post Number: 237
Registered: 5-2003
Posted on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 3:28 pm:   

The TR has an original Ferrari engine no doubt: 250 TDF engine #1401GT.
Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
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Post Number: 970
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Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 1:46 am:   

No history - no price.
Only a complete, unbroken & gapless history on THOSE cars makes the price. Too many questions = less money.

Just my 5 � Cents

Wolfgang
FORZA FERRARI
Niels Schouten (250lm)
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Post Number: 57
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 3:39 pm:   

Both cars are built up from some original parts. The car that left the factory with this s/n has burnt to the ground. So that leaves the age old question when more cars are built up from the remains: Which one is the original if any? Very important for the value of the car of course.
Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
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Post Number: 967
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 10:27 am:   

Rico,
I have been told its the chassi what should be wrong/aftermarket set up with an original engine...but still only a story in "Motor Classic" magazine, Germany.
Wolfgang
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Rico Nijhof (Riconijhof)
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Post Number: 96
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 10:16 am:   

I don't know nothing about this, but I am very sure it was a real Ferrari engine in it... I recognize that sound out of 1000's
Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
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Post Number: 934
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Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 12:56 am:   

Niels & Rico,
thats exactly what I have thought but didn`t wanted to post.
I have seen this car at an auction 6-12 months ago and it was taken back on the auction day with a lawyer disposal. There was/is another one with the same Ser# / VIN and this one should (?) be a fake......who knows? But the story makes a lots of trouble and got some serious owners very nervous.

Wolfgang
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Niels Schouten (250lm)
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Post Number: 54
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 6:06 pm:   

Wolfgang, this is a bit a tricky story! This 250 TR has been seized after a dispute about its originality. s/n claimed is 0720 TR and there are more cars doing that. this one is Dutch owned, the other is in your country. Didn't follow it closely but there has been a legal battle over this car.
Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
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Post Number: 926
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 8:00 am:   

Rico,
thanks a lot for the additional pics of the 250TR.
Any storys of this beautiful Ferrari? Dutch owner?

Wolfgang
FORZA FERRARI
Rico Nijhof (Riconijhof)
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Post Number: 87
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 7:14 am:   

Here you go:

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Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
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Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 1:06 am:   

Rico,
wow,thankf for sharing those great pics with us. Got more pics from the 250TR?
What an amazing car. Looks like the "Dutch-Mille-Migla;-)

Wolfgang
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Mark Pautz (Malfark)
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Post Number: 507
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Monday, October 13, 2003 - 12:42 pm:   

Great shots Rico!!! MARK
Rico Nijhof (Riconijhof)
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Post Number: 71
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 8:27 am:   

I did the start yes, after that I waited for the finish and went home after that.

Here's some more pics:

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Dirk de Jager (Dj_dirk)
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Post Number: 293
Registered: 2-2002
Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 4:07 pm:   

woeps

i totally forgot that you would come afterall
did you only do the start?

Rico Nijhof (Riconijhof)
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Post Number: 69
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 3:20 pm:   

Wow, that was just a great day!

The Enzo was a real surprise, just like the 250TR.
I guess I saw you guys hanging around, just wasn't sure enough to start talking.

We just went crazy and decided to ask a lot of owners to rev their F-cars up for a video. So soon the F355 Exhaust Contest at my site (www.ferrari-f355.tk) will start with some bonus clips.

Here's a few pics od the meeting:

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Rico Nijhof (Riconijhof)
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Post Number: 67
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 4:59 am:   

At what time time will the finish be?
Rico Nijhof (Riconijhof)
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Post Number: 66
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 2:37 pm:   

Me to, I'll be there!
Dirk de Jager (Dj_dirk)
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Post Number: 291
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Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 1:25 pm:   

I will defenitly be at the start
and either follow them to try and get some shots on the road, or go directly to that restaurant
Bart Boonacker (Sharky666)
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Post Number: 498
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 12:35 pm:   

I'm coming with a friend of mine, been here on the board aswell (Roel de Fouw).

I guess I'll be seeing you guys over there :-)
Until then.
Rico Nijhof (Riconijhof)
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Post Number: 60
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 12:28 pm:   

Me to, having a party right now, lol :-D
Bart Boonacker (Sharky666)
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Post Number: 497
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Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 5:57 am:   

Just heared on the news, the strikes for saturday are off, so trains are moving.


Bart
Bart Boonacker (Sharky666)
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Post Number: 484
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 2:06 am:   

Bob, If you want you could go out to Haarlem in the mean time, it's a nice city with enough to do.

I'm not planning on staying the complete day aswell, so I'll be there on time and the also leave around 1 o'clock

Dirk, now I see it. I hope they'll accept it when it's late aswell :-(
Bob (Dr_bob)
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Post Number: 65
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 2:35 pm:   

Nope, maybe my father will take a drive from Eerbeek, I think you know that place. I he wants I'll go to Eerbeek on friday, and drive with my father. My planning is then to be there when they arrive, and leave when they leave. I won't let my father wait 4 hours in the middle of nowhere with nothing to look at but trees.
Rico Nijhof (Riconijhof)
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Post Number: 59
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 1:12 pm:   

Yes, trains will be out.
Does anyone know another option to get from Apeldoorn to Haarlem?

Are the trains replaced by busses?
Dirk de Jager (Dj_dirk)
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Post Number: 289
Registered: 2-2002
Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 8:43 am:   

look closer at the bottom of that paper that you have to send back.
it has to be back at the 9th (this thursday)
i'm gonna send it out tomorrow.
Bart Boonacker (Sharky666)
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Post Number: 481
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 3:10 pm:   

Don't worry Dirk, I haven't send in the form aswell. Still not sure if I can get a day off then. Would be nice to put some faces to the names.

Any idea when the form is due ? Can't find it on any of the forms.

Bart
Niels Schouten (250lm)
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Post Number: 53
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 2:44 pm:   

Dirk,

Don't worry. I will lead you the way to Achterveld ;-)

Niels
Dirk de Jager (Dj_dirk)
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Post Number: 288
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Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 2:18 pm:   

ah?
there are 2 achtervelds???
luckelly there's a route description given along, i still have no idea where that is actually.

and well i do believe if i place your name on the list that they expect that you show up
Rico Nijhof (Riconijhof)
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Post Number: 55
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 1:56 pm:   

It's the same, I will be able to get there by buss...

When you fill in my name, do I have to go then? I don't know if I'm possible to go there then.

And can you fill in 2 names, also a friend of me?

You know what, contact me at [email protected] or at MSN.
Rico Nijhof (Riconijhof)
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Post Number: 54
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 1:40 pm:   

Then where is that jubileummeeting?

EDIT: Oops I see, Achterveld. Hmm.

ANOTHER EDIT: Achterveld (Barneveld) of Achterveld (Leusden)?
Dirk de Jager (Dj_dirk)
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Post Number: 287
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Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 1:31 pm:   

LOL
that's very possible
then you must have seen DrBob also, i was yelling at him to move his ass out of the way :-)

well like you can read below, the good thing about beeing a begunstiger is that you get the club magazine, have acces to the website (ok not that big) free ticket to italia a zandvoort and some other events and stuff
I still have to send in my subscription form for the jubileummeeting from 25 october at achterveld
we are aloud to bring along an introduce, if you want i can place your name on it so that you can come and see, but i will need to know at the latest tomorrow
Rico Nijhof (Riconijhof)
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Post Number: 52
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 12:40 pm:   

DAMMIT, I just remembered. You must be the one who walked next to me when that 250 GT was standing alone in the grass, we were both taking pictures. I waited for you. Thats funny!
Rico Nijhof (Riconijhof)
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Post Number: 51
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Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 12:37 pm:   

Dirk, I am seeing myself at your amazing photo website. On the attached picture you can see me.

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Rico Nijhof (Riconijhof)
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Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 12:20 pm:   

Dirk, yes the picture is taken at the Concours here in Apeldoorn. My home town.

So the trains are not driving on that saturday?
Dirk de Jager (Dj_dirk)
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Post Number: 285
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Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 11:44 am:   

Rico
that profile pic looks like it's taken at Paleis het Loo

Bart
i'm going to both events
still have to figure out how to reach the start on saterday
Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
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Post Number: 875
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 9:09 am:   

Hey thats preety cool you "Flying Dutch Men"
I realy love it to express something with just 1 word (wankers, sucks..)
Reading your posts gives me the feeling like beeing somewhere in Texas - I`m realy travelling next week for a business trip to Dallas/TX and its good to get used in B4 ;-) keep on...and let it cum!

Wolfgang
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Bart Boonacker (Sharky666)
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Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 8:52 am:   

I believe the Jubilieumrit is open for everyone, since it's just a public place.
The rit starts and ends at Landgoed Duin & Kruidberg, that's near Haarlem. (www.duin-kruidberg.nl)
You can go there and take a look at all the cars and talk to the owners (if they're willing to). Around 75 to 100 Ferrari's are expected.
The ride starts at 13:00, and before they start you can see them all on the parkinglot.

The Jubilieummeeting isn't a open meeting, although all the beneficiaries (sp?) can bring 2 people along.

Bart

Ps. Bob, that sucks. For me it's really close just a 45 min. drive. To bad you're completly off the route then.
Bob (Dr_bob)
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Post Number: 64
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 7:43 am:   

I was planning to go to the jubileumrit, but my mum just called, she said the trains will be on strike all saturdaymorning. Wankers...
My only option is train, my parents have other things to do so they can't drive me there.
Rico Nijhof (Riconijhof)
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Post Number: 49
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 7:35 am:   

Hoo hoo, Bart, Are the 2 meetings and drives you recon open for not yet-members? And can you give any exact information on the location and times.

I thought it over and I will become a beneficiary (thanks Wolfgang :-)) if I can find someone who I know personally and likes to join as well. Do you have to pay immediately after you signed up?

I know Edvar, from his beautiful page at Imagestation! I want to thank him for the great pics!

Also thanks to the FerrariChat members for informing me!
Bart Boonacker (Sharky666)
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Post Number: 478
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Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 7:06 am:   

Yepz, Bob is right.

I'm a beneficiary (tnx Wolfgang :-)) aswell but I'm also one of the non active members.

It's nice to be a bit closer to the dealers/owners but if you're not a member but you do know the locations it's ok aswell. Sometimes the meetings are closed for non-members, but that's not always the case.
Edvar van Daalen, also a member here, sometimes makes photos for the Gli Amici (club magazine).

btw. anyone of the members going to the Jubilieumeeting 25 oktober ? And to the Jubiliemrit 11 okt ?

Bart
Ton Visser (Lion315)
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Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 7:04 am:   

Exactly Wolfgang!
Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
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Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 6:42 am:   

Beg�nstigter = Beneficiary
Bob (Dr_bob)
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Post Number: 63
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 5:42 am:   

I'm a begunstiger too (too lazy to find and copy paste the english word :p) You get the magazine, invitations for some meetings, and th efree tickets for zandvoort, and the past 2 years also a calender. I also think there are 2kinds of people within Ascari (the begunstigers-department, again, too lazy), the ones like me, not really active, and some people who are very active, those also help at the events. The club depends on them I think, but I'm too far from the real activity to be of any use...

But it's good to hear people from the UK to become a Dutch begunstiger. What's the story that you won't do it in the UK itself, or did I miss that?
Ton Visser (Lion315)
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Post Number: 705
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Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 2:26 pm:   

Yes, that's true! I remember the free tickets for Italia a Zandvoort.

Being a begunstiger gave me the feeling that I was a step closer to the Ferrari community. I had a good time.

Ton
Niels Schouten (250lm)
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Post Number: 50
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Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 2:18 pm:   

No medium age as far as I know of. I do not think your location has anything to do with it so you can become a 'begunstiger' when you are in the UK, you get the clubmagazine, there are special 'begunstiger' meetings and you get info on club meetings. Then you always get a free ticket for the Italia a Zandvoort event.
Rico Nijhof (Riconijhof)
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Post Number: 47
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 11:42 am:   

Hi James,
This is about the Dutch Ferrari cluc. So if you live in UK it will be difficult to become member here. I don't own a Ferrari too, I guess there's no minimum age.
James Monington (Ferrari87)
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Post Number: 14
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 11:25 am:   

Who old have you got to be. And to you have to own a Ferrari to joint this club.
Rico Nijhof (Riconijhof)
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Post Number: 46
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 10:05 am:   

Ok, thanks for that. I will think it over again.
Ton Visser (Lion315)
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Post Number: 702
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 9:31 am:   

Rico,

There are no real advantages when you are a patron. It is like watching a footballmatch from the side.

Ton
Rico Nijhof (Riconijhof)
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Post Number: 42
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 5:27 am:   

I asked them, they said exactly what is on their webiste. I just wanted to know what position patrons have.

Thanks for the reply anyway!
Ton Visser (Lion315)
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Post Number: 700
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 2:42 am:   

Hi Rico,

As far as I remember (I was a begunstiger in the past) the position is as follows:
1. you receive the club magazine.
2. you receive an invitation to some of the meetings.
If you want to drive with someone in a Ferrari during a meeting then you have to arrange that yourself.
But why don't you contact the FCN and ask them?

Ton
rico nijhof (Riconijhof)
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Post Number: 38
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2003 - 3:22 pm:   

Hi everyone,
I'm thinking of becoming a patron of the F-car club of The Netherlands.

Can anyone tell me what you get exactly and what position the patrons (begunstigers) have?

Also please some experiences from members of FCN would be nice.

Thanks

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