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| j Buffa (Jbuffa)
New member Username: Jbuffa Post Number: 5 Registered: 3-2001 |
John, I agree, The Lable on the post turned me into some kind of wolly, vague, leader of the dark side or something...From now on I'll just ignore certain posts and continue enjoying this site. | ||
| j Buffa (Jbuffa)
New member Username: Jbuffa Post Number: 4 Registered: 3-2001 |
He's using a transport co. Yes I'm in the process now of buying a new (Not Brand new) Ferrari, I'll post pictures as soon as I get the car, stay tuned! | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Junior Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 55 Registered: 3-2002 |
Joe, Sounds to me like this was made into WAY to big of a deal. I stick with my original observation. Great car, and I hope it has a great new owner. Any plans on getting another F-car for yourself? | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Junior Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 128 Registered: 1-2002 |
J: Did he drive the car home? | ||
| j Buffa (Jbuffa)
New member Username: Jbuffa Post Number: 3 Registered: 3-2001 |
This was my ad on ebay: Vehicle Description This is a 1993 348TS modified at the Michelotto Factory in Italy It was built for an Italian collector in Rome to commemorate the four 348 cars built by Michelotto to compete in the 1994 24 Hours of LeMans The car was continued to be used as a Modified Street car in Europe, so the miles are normal street miles 35000 km/21748 miles. This car has NEVER been raced and is flawless. The sound and feel of this car is indescribable The quality of the work on this car is exceptional. Michelotto and Ferrari are synonymous with racing success.If you are a Ferrari enthusiast, you can understand the significance of this car. This is not a used and abused Challange Car, It is perfect in every way. I purchased the car about 1 year ago, and have done 1 track event All service was done by SA.MO.CAR. in Rome This car is NOT STREET LEAGAL please email with any questions. I just sold the car this mornig to a guy who flew in from Dallas. He said it was the most prestine 348 Track Prepared he had ever seen, he is VERY happy with the car, I'm very sad. | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Junior Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 52 Registered: 3-2002 |
Dave, I just want to know how the Ebay add described the car. That information would clear up some of the confusion on my end. ---John | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Junior Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 64 Registered: 4-2002 |
John, no change here. Its acceptance of woolly descriptions and vagueness that allows the practice to prosper. | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
New member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 50 Registered: 3-2002 |
Dave, After reading this thread a few times it seems that you may be reading more than you should into the intent of the original post. MHO is that is sounds like you are concerned over the way the subject line was written. The fact that the subject line may be vague is quickly cleared up by anyone who clicks on the link to this thread. "Like him you won't give an apology but thats ok, I don't expect one, human nature being what it is, it doesn't matter as we know who's correct on this" Maybe being less concerned about winning an arguement is what is in order here. I don't see reason for anyone to make a big deal over such a minor issue as an inadvertanly misleading subject line. Now, with that said, I must make the concession that I DO NOT know how this car was described when it was for sale on EBay. And that information alone has the potential to clear up this whole matter. So if on Ebay this car is/was being advertised as being an EXACT replica of a 348 Le Mans, then I apologize. But if not, I stick with my observation. | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Junior Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 61 Registered: 4-2002 |
Sorry Dane, don't agree with you either then. The thread is clearly headed "348 Le Man", he then states, as you yourself point out, "Minus some of the more extreme motor modifications, and fuel cell." It is therefore 'NOT' a 348 Le Man, in the strictest sense of that description, its a very close copy, replica, feux, whatever else you wish to call it. It may be near bang on but it is not one of the 4 x '348 Le Man' specification cars. Like him you won't give an apology but thats ok, I don't expect one, human nature being what it is, it doesn't matter as we know who's correct on this. If he can sell it as a 348 Le Man, good luck to him and if you believe its close enough to constitute calling it one then good luck to you too. It looks bloody superb and I'm sure it is, but thats not my point. I was merely making the point that 'technically', by his own description it isn't a 348 Le Man. He felt the need to get on his high horse that he may be something special and I dont have the right to an opinion because I DONT KNOW WHO HE IS? I can put up with and ignore most misrepresentation no sweat, but not when someone is clearly abusing the site for unashamed sales purposes which could potentially mislead the unsuspecting! | ||
| Dane Sander (Dane_sander)
New member Username: Dane_sander Post Number: 37 Registered: 4-2002 |
Dave, I conquer with Joe on this one. He quoted the following: "1993 348 Just delivered from Rome. Built....to the exact specs of the 4 built for Le Mans in 1994. (Minus some of the more extreem motor modifications, and fuel cell." Doesn't seem to be misleading to me...Man, I hate win people get hostile on this site! Dane | ||
| j Buffa (Jbuffa)
New member Username: Jbuffa Post Number: 2 Registered: 3-2001 |
Your the only one representing it as something that it's not, don't assume I am. I'm a freindly person, and I know some disscusions get heated on this site, I don't want this to be one of them. The car was biult for the original owner as a commemorative model to those (4) that ran at Le Mans, why do you assume that I think or am trying to lead people to believe it's one of the 4 cars that ran in 1994? Putting words in my mouth and trying to embarrass me on this web site does strike a nerve with me. I don't know you, and mean no disrespect, but that's my feeling on this subject. | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
New member Username: Dapper Post Number: 45 Registered: 4-2002 |
OOPS, I Seem to have hit on a raw nerve there. Its undoubtedly an extremely nice car but even if you want to kid yourself its something its not, don't assume others will necessarily agree with you. | ||
| j Buffa (Jbuffa)
New member Username: Jbuffa Post Number: 1 Registered: 3-2001 |
Dave, Who are you? and can you read? Also, who do you think I am? It's easy to type on your computer without knowing who or what your talking about isn't it. | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
New member Username: Dapper Post Number: 39 Registered: 4-2002 |
Oh, and by the way that means its also being falsely advertised as a '348 Le Man' because as Joe himself admits, it isn't one! Its a 348 Le Mans 'REPLICA'. | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
New member Username: Dapper Post Number: 38 Registered: 4-2002 |
I think if it were a REAL one i.e. one of the 4 le man, it would be worth a whole lot of bucks, but as its a street/track day copy, without real race provenance, its probably worth no more than a speciale. My tuppence FWIW. Give me a mint unbuggered about standard car any day, particularly speciale. To have to resort to E bay tells a story in itself! | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
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Not to be rude, but how much would this car fetch for future reference. I plan on adding this to my collection about about 10-15 years  . Have a good one, Kenny | ||
| Mark McKenzie (Redcar)
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This is NASA's first year in Texas. There are other regions that have been around a while, California and East Coast that I know of. I much prefer the atmosphere at NASA over SCCA. While there are certainly some great people at SCCA, NASA is much more progressive and not so cliquish. NASA emphasizes lots of track time, with race groups, lapping groups and Driver's Ed groups all on the same wknd. There's a Texas event at TWS on Aug 25&26. Mark | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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NASA is national, but not popular everywhere. They just started in Texas, but I think other regions like Florida and out west are really popular. Here's the NASA TX site, it might have links to national or other regions... http://www.nasatx.com | ||
| Joe Buffa (Buffa)
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Mark, Tell me more about NASA, are they National? Thanks | ||
| Mark McKenzie (Redcar)
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Beautiful car, everything my 348 wants to be, but my wife has different ideas. Rob, after going round and round and round with SCCA in Texas over my Cobra replica, I've given up on them and started racing at TWS with NASA. NASA is more interested in putting cars on the track, while SCCA seems more interested in preventing cars from getting on the track. The whole ITE, SP, SPO mess is a "moving target" of disorganized rules and politics. After being assured I could run ITE, I cut up my Cobra and put in a full ITE legal cage, only to be told that the car had become "too big and heavy" for ITE! It was the smallest and lightest car in ITE. Then came the SP fiasco. Plexiglass windshield, dual driver door bars, safety wire, headlight removal....... Be very careful of SCCA with cars like this, but you could defintely come run with NASA. Mark | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
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Thanks for you input Rob. As I mentioned the car is a theft recovery, so the wheels and seats are missing, as well as the stereo. The asking price from the insurance company is $4,300 (Cdn) so I think it is a steal of a price especially since the body panels are ok. I will have to find out the cost of the apex seals so I know what I am getting into, but it looks to be a great deal for a track car. James | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Joe, I really wish I could get it, but I can't afford it now. I almost started off the bidding at $45k, but I couldn't go any higher, so what's the use. Also, I really want to race a Ferrari in SCCA, so I'll be looking for a 355 C when the prices come down, or race a 308 in ITE or GT-2. James, I just run a 1st gen in Spec RX7. It's a great class and actually is one of the most popular in this area. Sometimes we have 30 car fields. You can total the car and go buy one off the street for $200 and put all your race stuff in it within a few weeks. A cheap, but very fun way to race with the big boys. 3rd gens are so fast, probably one of the quickest and best handling cars for the price. They do have problems though, it's funny that the 1st gen 12A's are bullet proof and the engines only got worse in later models. Apex seal problems are common, I would shop around for quotes, some shops charge way too much for this If around Dallas, I know several great rotary places. | ||
| Joe Buffa (Buffa)
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Rob, This is the car I e-maild you about, that would be available for purchase when it arived in the U.S. If your interested let me know, and we could follow up with a phone call. Joseph | ||
| Joe Buffa (Buffa)
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Yes dan it's my car, and yes it's for sale. | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
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Hey Rob, What year RX7 do you use for your track car? I have an opportunity to buy a 92 twinner with a blown apex seal (I know this is common) at a steal of a price. The car was stolen so the seats and wheels are also gone. I was thinking of using this as a track car so I dont smack/blow up my supra. Has yours been reliable? as I have heard that the twin turbo cars were a bloody nightmare. James | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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I want this car really bad, but I am better off keeping my 328 to enjoy on the street and racing my RX7 on the track. The way us SCCA guys bump around I would be reported to the F.P.S. doing that with this beautiful car. BTW, the site says this car fits into SCCA GT-2, which isn't true. If you put a 308 carb engine in the car it could race GT-2. The car is older than 7 years old, so it can't race T1, which it probably couldn't anyway because it has too many mods. Some regions it might be able to do ITE, but like in Texas SCCA, the car has to have 3.0 liters or less. They have a new regional class called SPO that this car would for sure qualify for, but it's not a popular class and not available everywhere yet. I think this car is destined to be a Ferrari track event driver. | ||
| Danny R. West (Dan_West348ts)
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What gives Joe? Are you trying to sale your this car on EBAY or are you for real? The exact same pictures that are posted here are on the EBAY site. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=593954717&tc=photo6212 Your caption reads "just delivered from Rome?" Is this really your car? Dan | ||
| David Albright (Dalbright)
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Does anyone have contact info or a website for Michelotto? | ||
| David Albright (Dalbright)
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Beautiful car!! Are you able to use it on the street? Let us know if and when you're ready to part ways :-). Also, a fact sheet on Ferrari of Washington's website shows the Competizione at 400hp.(http://www.ferrariofwashington.com/used/tech_data/348competizione.asp) Good luck with your new beautiful car. | ||
| Joe Buffa (Buffa)
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The right button on the wheel is the Talk button for the radio. The left button has no function, At least when I push it nothing happens. | ||
| Joe Buffa (Buffa)
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Don, All the specs are in Italian, I'm still translating most of it. But what I know on the Motor is: Competition Monodisc Clutch, Comp light flywheel, Stainless headers and exhaust with a small Tubi Style muffler, EPROM ignition Motronic 2.7 enhanced by Michelotto. The rest I don't know yet. | ||
| Don Walker (Duwa348)
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Beautiful car! What do the buttons on the stering wheel control? Do you know what changes were made to get the extra horsepower? How different is the suspension from a standard 348? --Don | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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I met a guy at Watkins Glen who also has a 348LM except his still has war paint on it. Car had 4 fuel pumps up front !!! | ||
| Chuck Rine (Chuck348ts)
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Excellent car inside and out. I really like the F40-type headlights. | ||
| Joe Buffa (Buffa)
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Thanks James, They are 18" wheels Speedline Competizione with Pirelli P-Zero W4: 225/40 front 265/40 rear. The difference between a regular 348 is about 65 hp. The weight makes the biggest difference, and the sound is fantastic. it has only a small tubi muffler. It also uses F40 Evolution Brembo brakes. The first time I steped on them, I thought I was going through the windshield. As for the 911, Its a great 83 911SC. It is my daily driver, there is also a 308 GTB hiding in the garage. I've rented Talladega Grand Prix Raceway on August 17th. If there is anyone in the Atlanta, GA area that would like to attend, please e-mail me at [email protected]. The track is in Anniston Alabama. We should do a Ferrari Chat Track day, it seems alot of you are like me and frustrated with the lack of track days set up by FCA. | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
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whoa!!! I was paying so much attention to the wheels and interior that I missed the F40 style headlight treatment. That looks insane!!! I wonder how that would look on a 355. You are definatly ready to go racing. congrats | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Oh Oh Oh, take me to heaven now, that's the car I want, just check my wanted posting. Congrats Congrats Congrats. | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
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wow, that is one badass looking 348. I really like the speedline wheels on the car (and they also look amazing on the 355) Are those 17' or 18' wheels. What is the horsepower difference between yours and a normal 348? I noticed there is a 911 in the driveway, would you mind telling me what kind it is? | ||
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| Joe Buffa (Buffa)
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1993 348 Just delivered from Rome. Built for a Ferrari Club Italia Member by Michelotto to the exact specs of the 4 built for Le Mans in 1994. (Minus some of the more extreem motor modifications, and fuel cell.  |