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| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2474 Registered: 12-2000 |
I wonder if this will work?...
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| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2473 Registered: 12-2000 |
For my registry, I plan to leave owner's names out, but will post only with their permission. I will however list a generalized location of the vehicle. www.dino-gt4-registry.com | |||
| Wade Nunez(FortuneMotors) (308nut)
Junior Member Username: 308nut Post Number: 131 Registered: 7-2002 |
I reviewed Carfax.com to find out how much info they are allowed to publisize, according to them you can reproduce any public information to a public forum. Baically they told me that if I attained info that was already public knowledge, like vehicle registration then it is legal to publish it. because in essance I am providing the same service as they are. I am making access to vehicle history to assure no one buys a bad car. There was a lot more to it i did my best to compress. | |||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 712 Registered: 12-2001 |
Another interesting area of the law... (see post on "Copyright"). I doubt that general information concerning a person's prior ownership of a car is actionable, but wouldn't want to guess; even "publicly available" facts are not always made public. For example, some years ago, there was a case against a book publisher who identified the precise address of the "Amityville Horror" house, which resulted in people pulling up at all hours, to look at the house. The house's then current owner brought suit for invasion of privacy, public disclosure of this "fact,", etc. and i don't think the case was dismissed out of hand. Obviously, celebrity or important collector provenance is publicized all the time, and may not only be significant to the car's history, but would be tough to stop, largely because of the noteriety of the owner. I am not as sanguine about the Joe Schmoes of the world, but apart from identifying them by name, what else would be disclosed? What harm could befall the prior owner? (Oh, i suppose they might claim that it brings unwanted attention to their wealth or assets, but don't think that's a particularly private fact anyway). One of the guys in my office specializes in privacy rights, and i'll be happy to ask him for you. | |||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 453 Registered: 10-2002 |
Oh, one more thought: Maybe a Ferrari Registry could legally be compared to the art world and the provenance of e.g. paintings. Any Van Gogh can be traced back to its first owner (well, most of them anyway). Don't know, whether that is in general public information and how much of the address etc is shown, but as far as I know it is accessible. A Ferrari is a collectable item in a similar way. | |||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 452 Registered: 10-2002 |
Wade, it was actually your registry that started me thinking in the first place. I have parts of the history of my car including previous owners' addresses. I was about to post that all on your registry, but then a light went on and I said wait a minute! So I'm ready to upload, but I think we have to first figure out what data is safe to put out there. OTOH if I look at my 'Ferrari Registry' book by Robert Marvin, I can see he posted the owner's name and phone number (!!!). But then again that book was published back in 1985. So I think you and Rob (who wants to put together a registry for this site) should first figure out the legalities in more details as otherwise you open yourself potentially to lots of trouble. | |||
| Wade Nunez(FortuneMotors) (308nut)
Junior Member Username: 308nut Post Number: 130 Registered: 7-2002 |
This brings up a very valid question, on my site I am stating what previous owners I know of but only the name and state nothing else even current owners only name and state. Before I go any further would someone try and get some answers i do not want to infringe on any ones privacy. However, what info I do have was provided to me by a public registry. So what do I do. Wade www.308qvregister.com | |||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 667 Registered: 2-2002 |
It used to be that registration info was public record and fairly easy to get in most states. Then Rebecca Shafer, the actress, was killed by someone who got her address from the California DMV and the Internet boomed and the combination of the two created more public interest in privacy. As a result registration info has become far more restricted. Primarily the state restrictions apply to direct marketing, not registries per se, but one could probably argue that the only reason to have a former owner's name is to contact them. Since you would probably only publish the name and city/state without street address you might be okay, but you would need to talk to someone who is more current on the subject than I am. Frank Parker is a great lawyer, I'm sure, but I doubt that he is an expert on this subject, especially since the laws vary by state. On the other hand, I've never heard of anyone going after a registry, but there's always a first time. I used to know quite a bit about this subject but I've been out of the registration and title business for 5 years and a lot has happened since then. | |||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 484 Registered: 5-2001 |
I listed my car as a 4-owner, that's all. I may write where it was sold etc. but no names because it is absolutely irrelevant. If I was going to sell I would supply names but never publicly. Just common courtesy. | |||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 443 Registered: 8-2001 |
Randall: When you bought the car, wasn't the title transfered to you, by you signing it? On it would have been the previous owner's name and address. | |||
| Erik R. K. Jonsson (Gamester)
Member Username: Gamester Post Number: 267 Registered: 11-2000 |
I knew my GTSi came from TX so I ran a vin/registration search there with the help of the state TXDOT and found all previous owners names and info, but only was able to contact one of them from the records. | |||
| Randall Booth (Randall)
Junior Member Username: Randall Post Number: 63 Registered: 1-2003 |
Is it possible to find out former owners? If so, how? My car has no history and if I could talk to a prior owner, it would sure settle a few questions I have. | |||
| Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
Member Username: Hardtop Post Number: 422 Registered: 1-2002 |
I would not give former owners names without permission, whether it's legal or not. Just the courteous thing to do. Dave | |||
| Charles Barton (Airbarton)
Junior Member Username: Airbarton Post Number: 216 Registered: 11-2002 |
I'll bet Frank Parker can answer this one! | |||
| Warren L. (Warren)
Junior Member Username: Warren Post Number: 169 Registered: 2-2002 |
What if the former owner of your car was Paulina Porizkova and you could give out her number? | |||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 450 Registered: 10-2002 |
I believe the current owner's information is public (not even totally sure on that), but I would think that previous owner's information is no longer public. What about their address? I realize how many of us are hesitant to give out their addresses now, so what about a previous owner? I mean, if that person once had the $$$ to own a F car, he is likely to still have $$$ to own one now or some other nice toy. Personally I wouldn't have an issue with it, but there are some strange laws in this country. How else would somebody dumb enough to spill coffee in her lap go ahead and sue McD's for it? | |||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 2599 Registered: 9-2001 |
what kind of harm are you causing? maybe you could argue by someone owning a million dollar car they put themselves in the public domain  | |||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Member Username: Doody Post Number: 742 Registered: 11-2001 |
is it public record in every state? doody. | |||
| Ken Ross (Kdross)
Junior Member Username: Kdross Post Number: 227 Registered: 2-2002 |
The information is of public record. | |||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 447 Registered: 10-2002 |
As much as I like the idea of a Ferrari registry for your car I was wondering, whether I'd open myself to a lawsuit from a previous owner if I mention his name? How private is that information? Do I need a written consent from a previous owner to mention his/her name on line in a regisstry? I know we have some lawyers on this board, so have at it! Enlighten me please! |
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