| Author | Message | ||
| Jason Wesoky (Wesokyjb)
New member Username: Wesokyjb Post Number: 9 Registered: 1-2003 |
The 250 GT California is the most beautiful car ever produced, hands down, no contest. I would give up an organ and maybe my first born for one (ok, maybe not my first born) because I will probably never have the disposable income to afford one. If this thing was $150k or less and I had the money for this car, I'd buy it faster than you can say Ferris Bueler. This car was born a Ferarri and is a Ferrari. Sure, you're not going to win any medals with it and you can't honestly say it's one of the most valuable cars in the world, but if it looks like a Ferrari and sounds like a Ferrari, it probably is a Ferrari. | ||
| les brun (Labcars)
New member Username: Labcars Post Number: 33 Registered: 1-2003 |
As the owner of a '65 275GTS ( for which I paid substantially less than the asking for the car in question), I agree with Stephen. This car is not a "kit", it's not one marque masquerading as another, but is a rebodied Ferrari. Like it or not, there is a LONG history of F-cars being bodied and re-bodied by any number of coachbuilders. This car's value is in the eye of the beholder. While it may not be for some, that's no reason to trash it with a holier than thou attitude. It's STILL a Ferrari with a sweet sounding twelve cylinder under the hood. IMHO | ||
| Stephen A. Thompson, II (Sat4re)
New member Username: Sat4re Post Number: 1 Registered: 2-2003 |
A fiero rebodied to look like a Ferrari is still a fiero...a Pontiac. A Ferrari rebodied to look like another Ferrari is a .....? Remember, Ferrari didn't craft the bodies for the original 250. How is a Ferrari chassis/engine with an outside manufactured body not commissioned by Ferrari really any different? Are the Michelotti Ferrari's not Ferrari's? Noone is doubting that this is not an original 250, but to say it is not a Ferrari is highly questionable. | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 380 Registered: 4-2002 |
Arlie, Depends on the different Ferrari's your considering, the price points and what you plan on using the car for. Your question is intrigueing. For $130K or so (at least According to Sheehan and others) you can purchase a top quality 250GT SWB recreation or perhaps a 250 TR recreation. Now would I rather have one of these or a REAL 348? No question I would take the recreation. No contest to me.... Where it gets very sticky though is when you compare the $130K recreation to a $130K real Daytona. Hmmmmmmmm then I tend to lean toward the Daytona but its VERY tight. I dunno, would have to drive both and really think about it. Would likely end up with the Daytona because in my twisted mind it would be more likely to appreciate in time. Then again perhaps buy the Recreation, drive it a year or so, then sell and buy a Daytona? It would be incredible to have a SWB in the garage. I for one would care less if the VIN # didnt match up to some book. BUT, I would only be interested if the recreation were on a quality such that it is indistinguishable from an original except in the VIN. No fiberglass bodies or V8 engines. Not that I look down on folks who like those, its just not for me. I would however love to have a Beck 550 spyder.... | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 737 Registered: 5-2002 |
Terry said: "Its the only way someone like me is likely to ever own and drive one of these cars. Heck, the people who do own the originals usually dont use them too much because of the value. Why NOT have one that is the real thing in all but a number and then enjoy the crap out of it." Hold on there Terry. We'll have none of that logical thinking on this board. Don't you know that the only good Ferrari is a REAL Ferrari? As you said, never mind the fact that 99% of the folks can never afford the early classics and that even if they could, they would never drive them. But for you to even suggest an alternative to bowing down at the Ferrari altar is sacreligious. Repent the ways of thy blasphemy! (So much for Ferrari "political correctness", Terry. I agree with you.) But the real debate would be: Would you rather spend $100,000 on an "almost" Ferrari look-alike, or spend $50,000 (or whatever) on a less expensive model of the real McCoy? | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1998 Registered: 8-2002 |
Looks nice but it's way too much for a fake car. Even the daytona kit is about 21K now. | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 378 Registered: 4-2002 |
Im with Wayne. I would love to have this car and if it could be bought for $120K or less I would be really interested. However, their asking price will get you a good Lusso..... I think they are dreaming. If it looks like a Ferrari, sounds like a Ferrari, smells like a Ferrari and drives like a Ferrari, well you know, it just might be good enough for me. A recreation that is good enough that the only way to tell is to check the VIN# is to me a great thing. Its the only way someone like me is likely to ever own and drive one of these cars. Heck, the people who do own the originals usually dont use them too much because of the value. Why NOT have one that is the real thing in all but a number and then enjoy the crap out of it. But at a realistic price.... | ||
| Zak McGregor (Zak)
New member Username: Zak Post Number: 2 Registered: 1-2002 |
Shocking  The original 365 it's based on would be better IMHO. Looks aren't everything and a perfectly good Ferrari has died for someone's vanity... | ||
| Ron Thomas (Ronsupercar)
Member Username: Ronsupercar Post Number: 430 Registered: 5-2002 |
I find it to be a beautiful, well put together reprodution.. Would I pay that kind of money for it. No! Hell No! Maybe $75000 if I had to have it. But think about what you can buy for that kind of money that is real and more recent. My 2 cents. | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Member Username: Ross Post Number: 673 Registered: 3-2002 |
would love to have it ! the cost is in line with the workmanship, but you have to have a net worth in the top stratosphere to justify that kinda money for this kind of car. | ||
| Don Vollum (Donv)
Junior Member Username: Donv Post Number: 58 Registered: 1-2002 |
I'm sure it was a 365GT 2+2. Officially, that is what a "365GT" is (Ferrari never included the "2+2" part). That's what mine says on it's ID plate, anyway. I know that Chinetti had a few rebodied into "speciales" and I imagine there were a few others. I think Harrah sacrificed one for his "Jerrari" after it was damaged in an accident. | ||
| Bryan Phillips (Bryanp)
New member Username: Bryanp Post Number: 50 Registered: 8-2002 |
They don't say which 365GT gave its life for this. I'm sure it was a Queen Mother - the only other 2 cam 365s would be GTCs (and the Californias - I think there are 14?) and they're too expensive to chop. I know the usual victims of the re-creations are the 250GTEs, 250PF Coupes, and 330GT2+2's, but I often wonder how many of the 801 Queens made have been lost to wrecks, permanent neglect or re-creations?? 2/3? half? | ||
| neal (95spiderneal)
Junior Member Username: 95spiderneal Post Number: 79 Registered: 3-2002 |
why would anyone feel deceitful if there was no intention to deceive? if youre not trying to pass a copy off as an original for some sort gain ie. economic, social status, etc. then why the guilt? i say if it looks and works to your satisfaction then just enjoy it and who cares what others may or man not think | ||
| Jerry W. (Tork1966)
Member Username: Tork1966 Post Number: 460 Registered: 7-2001 |
Personally, I wouldn't want a fake watch or an imposter F, no matter who could or couldn't tell the difference. I had a GTO clone (1970 red ragtop and perfect in every detail) that NOBODY knew was a clone, but I felt cheap and deceitful in it so I broomed it. My friends to this day ask why I got rid of that car. Chicks even dug it! | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 786 Registered: 8-2002 |
If this car was done correctly and available for $100K, I'd buy it right now and put personalized plates on it that said: "FAKEY-DO" Then I'd enjoy the hell out of it! | ||
| neal (95spiderneal)
Junior Member Username: 95spiderneal Post Number: 77 Registered: 3-2002 |
best way to enjoy car hobby is to treat it exactly as such. IMHO, investment value has no meaning in a hobby. so if someone loves the look of this car but doesnt have a few spare million(assuming it drives and most importantly sounds as it should) then buy and enjoy it. just because some snobs will look down their nose would only make me want it more | ||
| Jonas Petersen (Karsten335)
Junior Member Username: Karsten335 Post Number: 178 Registered: 11-2002 |
ITS GOD DAMN HOT MAN! | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 451 Registered: 8-2001 |
I agree with Wayne. The fact that this car is "exacting to the last detail" does NOT increase it's value.....I would expect it to be exact for $100K......any less, and the car is worthless. IMO | ||
| Peter Sedlak (Peters)
Junior Member Username: Peters Post Number: 57 Registered: 1-2003 |
Personally, I rather have my original 308 than a kit. I have driven several kit cars and though they are fun, I do not have the 'purest' feeling one has when your rear end is snug behind the wheel. For $125K, one can own a very nice Ferrari. I am not sure if I am conveying my point properly, but when you drive an original, you are driving the entire history of the manufacturer. Maybe someone can better explain my point. | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
New member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 40 Registered: 12-2002 |
To me it's a kitcar no matter how you cut it. A Fiero + a body kit does not equal a Ferrari, and neither does this. Luke. | ||
| neal (95spiderneal)
Junior Member Username: 95spiderneal Post Number: 76 Registered: 3-2002 |
i know these guys and have seen this car. they repaired my blown motor last year. their quality is above reproach and this car is magnificent. i dont know much about collector fcar value but if they would stand behind it then you can buy without concern | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 548 Registered: 10-2001 |
The car looks very good ( i think the rear seats a bit too high and the wheelbase seems maybe a bit too long ...), but 225 000$ is really a lot of money for a repro.Would take the bumpers off though  . | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 777 Registered: 8-2002 |
Beautiful and loads of fun for $100K-$125K. Just another expensive fakey-do at the current asking price. | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 547 Registered: 10-2001 |
http://www.autosportdesigns.com/Sales/photopage.asp?ID=279 |