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Vernon Hill (Vwh3rd)
Junior Member
Username: Vwh3rd

Post Number: 182
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 7:53 am:   

I don't know about the rest of their stable but I just dealt with these people last week.

Not only was the 360 Real, but it was a great car in good shape (great if the front brake wasn't squealing all day).
Dealing with the company was very easy and they lived up to the deal in every way.
I would even dare to say that the rental price was a bargain compared to other quotes that I found.

I will use them every time I go to Europe.
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member
Username: Miami348ts

Post Number: 5759
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 6:41 am:   

Amir,
probably because of the same reason I only update mine every 2 weeks.
I have someone do it since I can not even understand the internet. Collect all changes and have it done in one shot!
Amir (Amir)
New member
Username: Amir

Post Number: 34
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 7:33 pm:   

Thank you for your explanation. But why are you not taking the 10 minutes required to correct the situation now, instead of waiting till the end of the summer?

It is easy to photograph the inside of a garage without revealing the rest of the contents, or the address. And 10 minutes with photoshop will get rid of any details you don't want publicized. If your web developer is pushing you off, you need to get a new one.

Don't worry, I won't call you stupid or lazy again. And in my last post, I already said you are not cheap.
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member
Username: Miami348ts

Post Number: 5730
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 7:20 pm:   

And here is the perfect explaination!

Thank you Herr Klotz!

I actually never had doubt that you guys did. If you have the real F40 and all the other nice toys why would you try to pass a 308GTO for a 288GTO. Did not make sense!

Thanks for the insight!
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator
Username: Rob328gts

Post Number: 5945
Registered: 12-2000
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 5:18 pm:   

They have been a FerrariChat.com sponsor in the past and plan on sponsoring us again next year when the season returns. All the users I have spoken with that have done business with them have had nothing but a good experience.
Berthold Klotz (Rueschenberg)
New member
Username: Rueschenberg

Post Number: 31
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 5:10 pm:   

Thanks to some of you for bringing this to our attention:

1) Our 288GTO resides in Herr Klotz's garage in his private residence. It has not been driven in two years (i.e. since before we created our web site). It sleeps under a cover. Perhaps some of you could understand why he does not wish photos of his garage at his private residence to appear on a web site accessed by many thousands of peoples.

2) Yes some of the photos on our web site come from images taken at Salon Singen. This is because we do acquire some of our cars from this location. They were kind enough to provide some images to us.

3) Mr. Ross was told about our GTO during his trip to Germany last year. However, he mistakenly thought a car he saw in a nearby dorf was our car, when it really was not our car. A simple misunderstanding.

4) Our web developer will be updating all photos, including the GTO, at the end of this rental season. Please bear with us until such time as all photos are updated.

5) Please refer to some of your fellow Ferrarichatters who are customers, who can verify that we are neither "lazy" nor "stupid" nor or "cheap."

Please try to understand it is very easy to form conclusions based upon conjecture. But more respectable to form conclusions based upon fact.

Regards.
Amir (Amir)
New member
Username: Amir

Post Number: 31
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 3:34 pm:   

I would think it's laziness/ignorance more than cheapness. They could ask any of their visitors to email them copies of pics. They don't even need to invest in the digital camera and they could still have pictures of their own cars on their own site.
Nick Coutts (Kickus)
New member
Username: Kickus

Post Number: 9
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 3:29 pm:   

Most, if not all, of the pictures on their web site are leeched from Auto-Salon Singen's web site. You would think that a company with such a complete collection of significant Ferraris could spend three hundred euros on a digital camera. Furthermore, you would think that they could afford to host Auto Salon's images on their own web space, instead of leeching them. I'm not insinuating anything, and indeed I think that real pictures of their inventory would be quite impressive.
Jay P. Ross (Eilig)
Junior Member
Username: Eilig

Post Number: 230
Registered: 8-2001
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 2:45 pm:   

All I know is there's nothing fake about the 360 Modena and F40 of their's that I drove last year -- and I'm certain there's nothing fake about their Challenge Stradale and 575M F1 I'll be driving in about 3 weeks time from now...

When I am there, I'll ask to see their real GTO. If it exists, I'll take pics and post.
Il Commenadatore (Ilcommenadatore)
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Username: Ilcommenadatore

Post Number: 26
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 12:42 pm:   

Didn't mean to start trouble :-(

Il Commenadatore
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member
Username: Miami348ts

Post Number: 5712
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 12:41 pm:   

The car on their website is not the real thing!
Kind of upsetting that they try to pass it as the real 288GTO. If they do have the real one, which I hope, they should post it as such in the pictures as well.

Bert Kanters (Bert308)
Junior Member
Username: Bert308

Post Number: 84
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 11:14 am:   

Jay, I emailed them about it 2 months ago and never got an answer. They do have a real GTO then, but used a picture from a car that is not.
Bert Kanters (Bert308)
Junior Member
Username: Bert308

Post Number: 83
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 11:08 am:   

If Da Vinci's Mona Lisa was replaced by a good copy, also someone would spot it from 100 meters distance.
Beautiful 308 though, it had "F308M" on the back when I saw the car on a Swiss Owners club website 2 years ago.

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Jay P. Ross (Eilig)
Junior Member
Username: Eilig

Post Number: 229
Registered: 8-2001
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 11:07 am:   

Actually I am the one who is wrong. The pic I posted isn't the Scuderia von Ruschenberg car. It is a car that was at a Ferrari shop that I saw in a nearby town in Germany, and I thought it was the Scuderia von Ruschenberg car out on loan. My German is not good, so I must have misunderstood when I was over there last year.

Anyway, I just emailed this pic to the EuropeanFerrariRental guys in Germany and asked them, and they explained the miunderstanding.

Sorry about that.
Chris Parr (Cmparrf40)
Member
Username: Cmparrf40

Post Number: 705
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 9:59 am:   

I know when I am wrong.......... like I am today.

I guess I should have opened my eyes!
Bert Kanters (Bert308)
Junior Member
Username: Bert308

Post Number: 81
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 8:48 am:   

With a rear hatch like the 308? And the rear quarter windows like a 308? And the wrong wheels? The short wheelbase? Believe me, I can dream GTO and this isn't one. See also this thread, scroll down a bit: http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/251280/151950.html
"I'm a huge fan of GTO's... While in Europe this summer I had the rare opportunity to see two spectacular examples. The first is a 288GTO. This particular car has only 2,480 original kilometers (i.e. 1,538 miles). It is more pristine than you can imagine... never even driven in rain. It is owned by the Scuderia von Ruschenberg collection."
With this picture, a GTO has solid butresses and the rear spoiler isn't part of the hatch:

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Chris Parr (Cmparrf40)
Member
Username: Cmparrf40

Post Number: 704
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 8:38 am:   

Bert?

I think you are mistaken, it is the real thing..
Pascal A. J. Maeter (Maeter)
New member
Username: Maeter

Post Number: 50
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 5:23 am:   

Why do you think it is a fake?
Bert Kanters (Bert308)
Junior Member
Username: Bert308

Post Number: 78
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 6:53 am:   

They have a fake 288GTO for rent, yet present it as the real thing.
http://www.europeanferrarirental.com/288stable-2.htm
Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Intermediate Member
Username: Kennyh

Post Number: 1159
Registered: 8-2001
Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 12:58 am:   

I believe so.
Il Commenadatore (Ilcommenadatore)
New member
Username: Ilcommenadatore

Post Number: 23
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 8:05 pm:   

Are they still a sponsor of Ferrarichat.com?

(sorry about the Tony-like question)

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