| Author | Message | ||
| Charles Barton (Airbarton)
Member Username: Airbarton Post Number: 709 Registered: 11-2002 |
Dave, we should get together on a nice piece of winding road some time and see who comes out with the faster times. I think the skill of the driver can be as much of a factor as the abilities of the car. No offense but maybe you just don't no how to handle the 348. I think they are both great cars. Martin that looks like a fine example of a 328! I would'nt mind having one as a second car. I have always liked the look! | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 1791 Registered: 12-2002 |
Gary, go for Martin's car! The guy at Black and Black just sounds plain wrong about price, and maintaining a ferrari in general. If you bought that car you would be paying WAY too much for a car you can find elsewhere for a lot less --and WITH the service done recently. | ||
| G. Green (Mr_green)
Junior Member Username: Mr_green Post Number: 130 Registered: 8-2003 |
I talked to the guy at Black on Black motors today. He told me the 7,000 mile GTS was on consignment. I told him that 65,000 was to much for that car. He said that he's had alot of interest and nobody had commented on the price being too high. | ||
| Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
Member Username: Hardtop Post Number: 658 Registered: 1-2002 |
To all.... The 328 vs 348 discussion has been rehashed many times here. I went from a 328 to a 94 348, put 14K miles on it and went back to a 328, this time a 89 GTB. Yep, the 348 motor is great, but that's the end. I know that when I put the 17's on my 328, I can take my former 94 challenge car on a twisty track with short straights. The 328 rides better, handles better, looks better and is built better. And unlike some others, I have a lot of seat time in both on roads and tracks. Take it for what it's worth. Unsolicited comment from Roland Linder this spring at a local track: He asked "What did you do with the 348 challenge?" "sold it." He replied "you'll be much better off with this car!". And he raced 348's in the challenge series. Dave | ||
| Patrick Denonville (Arizonaguy)
Member Username: Arizonaguy Post Number: 546 Registered: 4-2003 |
not that I'm aware of  | ||
| G. Green (Mr_green)
Junior Member Username: Mr_green Post Number: 129 Registered: 8-2003 |
Patrick, Are they smoking crack! | ||
| Patrick Denonville (Arizonaguy)
Member Username: Arizonaguy Post Number: 545 Registered: 4-2003 |
G .Green, 113K each. | ||
| Albert Sabbah (Albert328gts)
New member Username: Albert328gts Post Number: 34 Registered: 1-2003 |
DES, Sean in a hell of a nice guy, very professional. When are you back in Los Angeles, I missed the "drive" last time you were here. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5816 Registered: 5-2001 |
BTW here are finally the scanned pictures of the 328. Again, theya re scanned so not the greatest quality but look at th car and condition and tell me that looks like 39K.       I will make a deal with you for $20K less than what the other company offered you for a car with 32K Miles less. This one had the belt service in 00 | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5805 Registered: 8-2002 |
Albert, Sean is a helluva stand-up guy; next time you're out there, tell him i said hello... | ||
| Albert Sabbah (Albert328gts)
New member Username: Albert328gts Post Number: 33 Registered: 1-2003 |
Maybe they didnt drive it due to it being white, wait no, its a friggin Ferrari! I would not give a rats rear what color it is, I still would drive it! Enjoy the drive!! | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5797 Registered: 8-2002 |
Just the title of the thread is disgusting... Can we get some editing in here...? i don't even wanna look at it... 7,000 miles in 14 years...? That's a half a mile a day... That's disgusting... Does anyone know who the owner is...? There's gotta be a reason for this... Blech... | ||
| Albert Sabbah (Albert328gts)
New member Username: Albert328gts Post Number: 32 Registered: 1-2003 |
Forgot to mention, I purchase my 348ts from Steve Harris Imports out of Salt Lake City Utah, I dealt with Sean Harris, nice people to deal with. I recommend them highly to anyone on this board, I cant say the same for the people who sold me the 328gts, that was Symbolic Motors, I knew the were asking too much, I just liked the color combo. | ||
| Albert Sabbah (Albert328gts)
New member Username: Albert328gts Post Number: 31 Registered: 1-2003 |
Martin, you put it perfectly, has a past owner of a pristine 30k miles, 1987 328gts, with tubi and K&N, I can tell you the car sounded great, but a stock 348 will outrun it hands down. Nothing to compare with, yeah the 328 is a head turner and so is the 348! I have been driving mine around Los Angeles for the last month, it's been hot and humid in the city, but the AC works great and keeps me real cool. Alas in the 328, even when the AC was running perfectly, it got real hot in the car, 2 reasons, the radiator location and vent, ane lastly the pipes running in the middle of the car. Evolution! Just my 2 cents worth! | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5814 Registered: 5-2001 |
A lot is being written about the 348s and there is a lot of people that write that have never had one. Luca's comments have been taken way out of porportion. It was wrong for him to comment like this but what was said in context was that Ferrari needed to get a better built-quality than it had before. Trust me, if he had bought a 328 a few years earlier that would have been the model that the comment would have been made about. Ferrari had to learn in the 80s and 90s to refine their quality. Some of the desasters out of that were the plastics used in 348, 355, 456 and 512TRs. Overall the right way was taken with the 348 by having a fully rost prove chassis and body. I am not trying to put down the 328. I had one and love the car. The styling is classic and will always be one of the top recognized bodys on any car. The 348 will never be in that same group. When it goes past the looks though there can be no doubt that any 348 is a better car. In every category. And there is no shame in that. The 328 is engineering from the 70s while the 348 is from the 80s. The 360 is a better car than a 355 and the 355 is a better car than a 348. As much as the 328 is a better car than the 308. | ||
| jeff ryerson (Atheyg)
Member Username: Atheyg Post Number: 392 Registered: 8-2002 |
Charles and Martin, Its not that I don't like the 348, its a Ferrari of course but I like the 328 more and I dont consider it an upgrade, the 348 has a checkered past and was not very successful compared to the 328 and 308, which was why Ferrari came out with the 348 Spider in 93 to boost sales and I sure Luca's comment surely didn't help sales or the rep of the car either. The 348 may perform better maybe not 30hp isn't much especially with 100 more lbs,with the exhaust mods and K&N I have on my car I'd say I am at 280 so it's even less for me, it also does have a bad rep for handling quirks in the early models which applly to performance, I do agree the A/C probably is a improvement over the 328 but if my only concerns were A/C comfort and purely performance on paper I'd have a NSX. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5804 Registered: 5-2001 |
Ron, glad you found one. I just don't get any right now. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5803 Registered: 5-2001 |
Jeff, you may personally not like the 348s but they are a huge improvement over the 328. In pickup speed torque and engine response. I dare anybody to drive both and not feel the vast difference between the two. As far as being the unwanted one. Well, whatever. If you are looking for a modern day Ferrari with a good running AC that actually does what an AC is supposed to do and want to spend $50K buy a 348 and you will never look back. No more rust in the doors, panels, frame etc. much improved handling, roomier, better ignition system (1990+). Drove mine 21K Miles in 3 years and was not once stranded in the street, neither did I have an electrical glitch or had other issues with the car. The car ran stronger and better than when I picked it up with half the miles. Now when you talk looks your peronal opinion is key. You may not like the look but saying the car is no comparision, drive one and you will know. It truely is not since the 348 is better in any way than the 328. | ||
| Ron (Easy_rider)
Member Username: Easy_rider Post Number: 685 Registered: 12-2002 |
CG, yeah that is the one I bought. It is really nice. Notice it says "SOLD" on the web site now. The mechanic who did the PPI said it is the quickest 512 he has ever seen. The exhaust system is custom designed and unlike a Tubi puts out not only a great sound but adds about 30 HP to the wheels. I'm not sure about the Cab. My wife says I have to sell it. I want to keep it. On the run last Sunday I had 4 adults (including myself). I believe the Mondials are the only 4 seat convertibles that Ferrari has ever made. Plus I have spent quite a bit of time and money to make it really nice. It's probably worth more to me than I could sell it for. There is one guy who says he wants it. We'll see. Give me a call if you still have that email I sent you in June. | ||
| Charles Barton (Airbarton)
Member Username: Airbarton Post Number: 707 Registered: 11-2002 |
Jeff, have you ever driven a 348? I don't care what Forza says, the 348 is a fantastic car. Every one of the cars bugs can be solved. I know because I have one and have been driving it every day for almost 2 years with no more problems than you probably have with your 328. When I got the car it had 43K miles on it. It now has 64K on it. Everything people say about the 348 is complete bull! I actually like the fact that people talk crap about the car. That is why I got it so cheap! | ||
| Charles Barton (Airbarton)
Member Username: Airbarton Post Number: 706 Registered: 11-2002 |
I would be very suspicous of any car that old with just 7K miles on it. Who in thier right mind would own such a fine auto and only drive it a little over 500 miles a year? It is way to easy to fix the odometer on these cars for me to believe this car has only 7K miles on it. I think it is just wishful thinking. I would have much more confidence in it if it were fully documented with 50K on it. If I were you I would look for another car. There are plenty out there! | ||
| G. Green (Mr_green)
Junior Member Username: Mr_green Post Number: 128 Registered: 8-2003 |
Ron, What are you doing with you're mondial cab. Did you buy the 92 TR, looks like a beautiful car. | ||
| Ron (Easy_rider)
Member Username: Easy_rider Post Number: 682 Registered: 12-2002 |
Steve Harris Imports in Salt Lake has two Red/Tan 328's available now. First is an 88 with 25k miles new belt service $46.9k. Second is an 87 with 9k miles $52.9k They are an authorized F dealer too with many satisfied customers, including me. I just bought a 512TR from them. Will post pictures as soon as the car is delivered (probably this weekend). http://www.ferrarisales.com/dispinv.phtml?offset=0&qty=6&category=Pre-owned+Ferrari | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 322 Registered: 9-2002 |
Rick add about $6k (1995 355gts lhs euro spec) | ||
| Rick (Bromers)
New member Username: Bromers Post Number: 6 Registered: 6-2003 |
Come to England instead .... 95 355 GTB for approx $55k. See www.autotrader.co.uk | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Intermediate Member Username: Peters Post Number: 1340 Registered: 1-2003 |
'The dealer said the belts are fine'.....I would have a stroke running as fast as I needed to from that guy! If a dealer tells you that, you ask him to guarantee $15K in repairs when they go in 2-5K miles. | ||
| G. Green (Mr_green)
Junior Member Username: Mr_green Post Number: 125 Registered: 8-2003 |
Patrick, Is that price for each one or both? | ||
| Patrick Denonville (Arizonaguy)
Member Username: Arizonaguy Post Number: 542 Registered: 4-2003 |
I know of 2 89 328's...One with less than 1000 miles and the other with less than 1500miles on them... at $113,000! | ||
| johnny (Jgazzani)
New member Username: Jgazzani Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2002 |
My opinion is the '89 328's are probably the best built Ferrari's ever. I have a friend that has one and it is very nicely built. You can tell there's less of that "plastic'y" feel you get with newer Ferrari's. | ||
| Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
Member Username: Hardtop Post Number: 657 Registered: 1-2002 |
Mr. Green, Locally Ferrari of Denver had an 89 with 7K red/tan and major belt service done. They asked 65K for it and it sold within a week. This was maybe 6 months ago. I paid 62K for my 89 GTB, also red/tan also 7K miles, also major serviced about 2 years ago. I think the same car would probably sell for a little less now, but these numbers are the top end for 328's. Right year, right service, right mileage and RIGHT COLOR. I have observed that white/red 328's just sit and sit on the market. Partly, I think there are a lot of white 328's around and not that many people want them and partly the shade of red interiors used on 328's is really in your face. I passed on a silver/red 328 some years ago because I just couldn't take the interior. I think recently there was a white/red 89 with 9K miles or so in Chicago area? that was being offered maybe 50K or so. Might still be for sale. In short, I agree with the other guys. 65K is stupid for this particular car. Dave | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 1475 Registered: 3-2001 |
Jeff, I agree... I'm not sure a 348 is an upgrade. But then again (like you), I'm a little prejudice. | ||
| jeff ryerson (Atheyg)
Member Username: Atheyg Post Number: 387 Registered: 8-2002 |
Whats with the so called upgrade to a 348 for this or that kind of money vs a 328,upgrade my ass, many people dont like 348s myself included, they pale in comparison to a 328 as far as looks and interior, and what you have an extra 30hp with a 100lb heavier car, yeah big improvement This months issue of Forza, the 348 "The unwanted Ferrari" | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 2385 Registered: 7-2001 |
No one in his RIGHT mind! | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5797 Registered: 5-2001 |
Jim who in his right mind would drive a white Ferrari  | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 2377 Registered: 7-2001 |
Ken, what's wrong with white? | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Intermediate Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 1333 Registered: 3-2002 |
The dealer told you he's been doing this for 18 years. By "this", I assume he means deceiving potential customers and then gouging them. | ||
| Ken Thomas (Future328driver)
Member Username: Future328driver Post Number: 534 Registered: 12-2001 |
This car is white!!! and they are asking $65k. They must be clueless. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5789 Registered: 5-2001 |
Michael, if you go onto out website and scroll to Consignments you will see the yellow Enzo botton "About Consignment". I do not want Consignment Cars from my customers in my possession. You keep your car while we try to sell it. The car (last I know) is in Palm Beach. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5788 Registered: 5-2001 |
Another thought: The 39K Miles 1989 328GTS is in just as good of a shape as the 22K Miles car. In reality you do not want to look for Miles but for condition of the car and how well it is taken care off. The 7,000 Miles I would not believe in the first place. 1999 550 Maranello green with red int. only 5,500 Miles, never raced. rock chips as can be expected, rare color.  | ||
| Michael C. James (Mjames)
Junior Member Username: Mjames Post Number: 92 Registered: 6-2003 |
You don't have the car in FL, then? | ||
| Albert Sabbah (Albert328gts)
New member Username: Albert328gts Post Number: 30 Registered: 1-2003 |
Gary, I saw this car on Monday at Black on Black when I picked up my car at BlackHorse, its white with a red interior. This car was offered to me by the actual owner months ago when I was looking to replace my 328, for much less of course. I personally do not like white, its clean but in NEED of a major service. No service no deal, but its still way over priced, there is another 89 328gts in Chicago at a Ferrari dealer with that kind of mileage and he is asking for about the same amount, blue with creme interior. That kind of money I would certainly go for a 348, much more car, I use to own a 1987 328gts, great car but so much less then a 348. (IMHO) I had no idea that a dealer would mark up a car that high. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5787 Registered: 5-2001 |
Michael, funny but I can not get a hold of the owner. I have no idea where he is. The only number I have is his girlfreind here in Palm Beach and she does not return my calls after leaving messages. You be the judge what happened here In winter I may be able to get him again when he is back in CO. | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 1772 Registered: 12-2002 |
I agree with everyone else, that car sounds rediculously priced. Id run from it. | ||
| Michael C. James (Mjames)
Junior Member Username: Mjames Post Number: 91 Registered: 6-2003 |
Martin: What happened to the 22K mile '87 Red/Tan car? | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1686 Registered: 5-2001 |
Actually, if you read the owner's manual and the owners warranty and service book, there is no TIME related timing belt change interval, only mileage, which is clearly stated as 52,500 miles....now I actually have mine changed at 15k intervals only because when my mechanic checks the valve clearances, he will replace the camshaft seals to ensure they don't start leaking...this requires belt removal, so he just puts new ones on....tensioners are left alone, unless they are noisy. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5784 Registered: 5-2001 |
BTW technically I am doing this since 1989, 14 years! | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5783 Registered: 5-2001 |
Well how about this one: 1989 Ferrari 328GTS red/black with 39K Miles, service of 30K in 8/00, currently in a car collection. The car is in great condition. very minimal wear on the drivers seat bolster, that is it! $ 49,500 asking (make me an offer)and it will not have a belt issue since that is done. Any 328 above $ 55K is insane in my opinion. You can buy a good 348 for that kind of money and get the better car or for $ 65,000 you can almost buy a nice 355 GTB. I have one for $ 72,000 if you are interested oh yes, the 30K is also done on the black one we are getting. | ||
| G. Green (Mr_green)
Junior Member Username: Mr_green Post Number: 122 Registered: 8-2003 |
Jim, He's not a mechanic, he's just a guy that sells pre-owned F-cars. | ||
| Thomas I (Wax)
Junior Member Username: Wax Post Number: 125 Registered: 7-2003 |
Offer the dealer 48K. If he balks, starts yammering on about how f-chat yadayadayada, give him a surplus Assclown award. | ||
| Michael C. James (Mjames)
Junior Member Username: Mjames Post Number: 89 Registered: 6-2003 |
If you're dead-set on the ultra-low miles '89 328 and have $55K, I'd check out Mr. Dave Olimpi's car: http://www.daveolimpiautomobiles.com/ You could probably talk down to $55K.... | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 2373 Registered: 7-2001 |
Wow. He's been SELLING cars 18 years? I wonder how long he's been a mechanic? I'll bet JRV would have some comments on that. Even the owners manual suggests 30k miles or 5 YEARS for the service. I'd say it's 10 years overdue. | ||
| Michael C. James (Mjames)
Junior Member Username: Mjames Post Number: 87 Registered: 6-2003 |
For the upper ceiling on a well-maintained '89 (ABS) 328, I wouldn't offer more than $50K-55K, tops. But that should include a fresh 30K service, books/tools, no stories, etc. Car should be resale-red GTS, showroom new, fresh tires/fluids, supple leather, no visible wear anywhere, a perfect car. For a 86-88 Non-ABS car, I wouldn't pay any more than $48K, tops, for a perfect car meeting the criteria above. Martin from Miami has a consignment car that looks to fit the bill for $45K (if he can find the original owner - they've gone AWOL???). | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1684 Registered: 5-2001 |
Mr. Green, Careful analysis of the reciepts will help to determine a fair price, but let's assume all it needs is tires, a major service and all the coolant hoses replaced, plus a few incidentals that always crop up (maybe the air con or heating controls need work). figure $4-5k. A "perfect" 89' 328 in the right colors, WITH all the services up to date, is probably a $55k car. So subtract 5k and you are at $50k. I would say that is a reasonable price... I would want a careful PPI to see if the condition of the car matches the miles. Check and see if the engine lid has ever been removed... | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 572 Registered: 4-2002 |
Mr. Green, my friend just bought a 89 328gts with 12K miles from a ferrari dealer last year for $48k and we are talking about a authorized ferrari dealer with a 120 days guarantee. black on black is not an authorized dealer. let me know if i can put you in contact with my local dealer. you can buy a 348 spider for that money. | ||
| G. Green (Mr_green)
Junior Member Username: Mr_green Post Number: 121 Registered: 8-2003 |
Michael, What would be a fair asking price? | ||
| Michael C. James (Mjames)
Junior Member Username: Mjames Post Number: 86 Registered: 6-2003 |
$65K? Do me a favor, and laugh in their face for me...... | ||
| G. Green (Mr_green)
Junior Member Username: Mr_green Post Number: 119 Registered: 8-2003 |
The dealer is Black on Black motorcars located in Los Angeles. The asking price is 65,000. | ||
| Michael C. James (Mjames)
Junior Member Username: Mjames Post Number: 85 Registered: 6-2003 |
Hold on, Mr. Green might have an issue here..... After 14 years, this car might be due for a 30K service... I would ask Mr. Dealership what the warrantee is on this car if he's not willing to perform the 30K...wonder what he's asking for the car, too... | ||
| Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Intermediate Member Username: Jim_schad Post Number: 1737 Registered: 7-2002 |
see if he will guarntee in writing at the sale that if the belts go he will replace whatever they damage free of charge. good luck!!!! | ||
| Peter Topman (Peter_topman)
Junior Member Username: Peter_topman Post Number: 52 Registered: 8-2002 |
Tony Michael Gary Gordon Roberts Pantera Green Alvarez the III What are youuuuuuuuuuuuuu talking about !! | ||
| todd spencer (Todd)
New member Username: Todd Post Number: 44 Registered: 5-2003 |
Gary, who is the dealer? | ||
| G. Green (Mr_green)
Junior Member Username: Mr_green Post Number: 118 Registered: 8-2003 |
I talked to the dealer yesterday and asked him if the car had service records. He said the only thing he had was receipts for a 15K service. I said being the car is 14 years old it is overdue for a 30K service. He replied that the car was properly stored and that the belts were fine. I asked him how he knew that. He said he's been doing this for 18 years. I told him everything I have read is to the contrary. He said where do you get your Information. I told him F-chat, he said no wonder. |