| Author | Message | ||
| zak dhabalia (Dhabaz)
New member Username: Dhabaz Post Number: 5 Registered: 7-2003 |
Oh man this is just awesome reading about this stuff, its giving me a hxxdy!!! I'm going for another ride right now. I skived off work today so I could go for a nice run this morning and now I'm in need for another. I love my 550 even more than I thought possible with this exhaust. Thank God its a bank holiday weekend so even more adrenaline coming soon. Zak. | ||
| Manu (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 815 Registered: 2-2002 |
Zak and Frostie your commision cheques are in the post! :wink: Thanks guys! Guys let me sum it up. We put 3 options on the 550/575M. These are dependent on just what kind of noise/volume the owner wants to dial into the car: (Remember the 550 has two cats which feed into a huge central muffler which then feed into the rear mufflers). Stage 1: Replace the rear mufflers with Tubi Style pipe-only exhausts. Stage 2: As per option 1 AND replace the centre section with an unsilenced crossover. Stage 3: As per option 2 but ALSO replacing the catalytic converters with Tubi Style Test Pipes. Stage 1 is perfect for 90% of owners. Stage 2 is for those who are more hardcore (as the car effectively is unsilenced) and Stage 3 would be for someone like ME.... as loud as possible. Now to clear up the Tubi saga: There have been 3 models from Tubi for the rear of the 550/575M: 1.- Old Tubi Sport Mufflers - now defunct - aggressive (although perhaps too much for some at low rpm) - reported tendency to fade under load). 2.- Current Tubi Sport Mufflers - near perfect result - could do with being louder at high rpm. 3.- Current Tubi pipe-only exhaust - Even better. Doody - of the above tubi models you had 1. Switch to the new model or better, pipe-only and you will LOVE it - BELEIVE me. Zak and Frostie and to be honest our ever increasing numbers of UK customers, have either model 2, or more often than not, model 3 as part of the packages we put on their cars. Frostie, there are around 15 550s in the UK with our stage 2.  You USA guys - get in touch with Tino... P.S. Tubi pipe-only is also available for 456GT by special order. | ||
| Mark Frost (Frostie)
New member Username: Frostie Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2002 |
Scuderia did my 550 as well and I can only agree with all the comments made about them here. I have the Tubi pipe-only system along with a central x-pipe ie no silencing. The sound is unbelievable. I get comments all the time from other Ferrari owners and in the UK there now at least 6 cars with this setup. Its the only setup to have IMO Frostie | ||
| Tino (Bboxer)
Member Username: Bboxer Post Number: 330 Registered: 8-2001 |
Herr Martin, sie sind zu nett !! Dave, That's precisely why we think Tubi's are "special". While most aftermarket mufflers are really empty (or almost empty) cans, you cut open a Tubi silencer can and you can see the way Tubi have perfected the science of placing baffles and material inside the can to achieve a distinctive sound, not just decibels. In reality, the "Awesome" sounding exhausts usually favored by "high-decibel" lovers have almost empty cans. Tubi's are made like no other exhaust.(sorry, could not resist the plug). | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5808 Registered: 8-2002 |
This thread is worthless without... um... a wav file...? | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2666 Registered: 1-2002 |
FYI, the Cargraphic "muffler" is really a pipe-only setup. When I look inside, there is no baffling or othe rmuffler material---just a can with a splitter in it for 2 outlets. I wonder how it would sound with the x-pipe replacing the resonator? I have heard one, and it really sounds very similar to my car--at least from the outside. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5815 Registered: 5-2001 |
For the US customers, Tino is a Tubi dealer that knows his stuff as well Just thought I plug you here a little Tino | ||
| Tino (Bboxer)
Member Username: Bboxer Post Number: 329 Registered: 8-2001 |
I have no first hand experience with the cross-pipe but Zak's comments are on the spot and exactly what I've heard. Manu is a great source of info on 550's and wonderful to talk to. Funny, we've had about four "pipe-only" (no silencers) Tubi's for 550's in stock and no interest (they're also less expensive than a regular Tubi). If I were to get a 550, I would go that route and keep the cats on of course. | ||
| zak dhabalia (Dhabaz)
New member Username: Dhabaz Post Number: 4 Registered: 7-2003 |
Hi Guys, I am sure Manu will put his explanations in but Tino is right in that its just the pipes only without the two rear silencers although you still have the central muffler which I would advise you keep as its just too much noise. You can even go the whole hog and take out the cats too and then youre spitting flames. In my situation I wanted a great sound but still to be friends with my neighbours. The pipes only gives you that but you dont get the resonance which is what gives the headaches. The resonance comes in at low revs and can drive you crazy I'm told...ala Doody. Thats why Manu recommends you dont go the full Tubi route if you think this might be an issue. I think Scuderia Systems even experimented with all the other systems like hamman,cargraphics fuchs etc on their own 550 before deciding that the Tubi pipes was probably the best medium option. Doody give Manu a phone call. He is just so great to talk to on phone as is really into getting 550s sounding right and is just a wealth of info anyway. Good luck because you cant keep the stock exhaust...its like listening to a beautiful singer with a sock in her mouth. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2660 Registered: 1-2002 |
Tino, what is your personal opinion on the x-pipes that can replace the center resonator? Thanks, Dave | ||
| Tino (Bboxer)
Member Username: Bboxer Post Number: 328 Registered: 8-2001 |
No Doody. What Zak is talking about is a "pipe-only" exhaust muffler which has no silencer. It does sound awesome but if you could not live with the standard Tubi exhaust, chances are you'll feel the same about the "pipe-only" option. See the other 550 thread on this forum. | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member Username: Doody Post Number: 1582 Registered: 11-2001 |
zak or manu - can you please discuss in detail what you guys suggest for a good tubi setup? i already have tubi cans, but as i've discussed in previous posts, i had them swapped back to stock due to the substantial 2500 rpm-ish resonance that was giving me headaches. i am getting very bored of the stock exhaust though - i believe the word i used was "neutered" after they swapped the stock back on. i'm not an exhaust expert, so apologies for the dumb questions. it sounds like manu is putting the tubi cans on plus swapping out some other part with a tubi part. does this other part solve the resonance problem? i've looked at getting a set of cargraphic/fuchs/haaman cans (what bobafett and maranelloman have) but can't find any to listen to here. plus, since i already own the tubi cans, it sounds like this "magic third piece" might be a more cost-effective solution. i DID like the tubi sound - it was GLORIOUS. it just gave me headaches, which was obviously unacceptable. any info much appreciated. i had a lead on a pre-owned cargraphic, but the guy fell off the face of the planet. doody. | ||
| zak dhabalia (Zaki)
New member Username: Zaki Post Number: 5 Registered: 6-2003 |
Hi guys, Ive had my 550 for about 3 months and right from the off felt the sound was just way too compromised with the central silencer and 2 rear silencers so I had been reading into alternatives. Several people have mentioned that I should speak to Manu and Ajay at Scuderia Systems. These guys were just awesome and really understand customer service. They went through all the various options and together we decided on the Tubi straight pipes replacing the rear silencers. I spent the whole day with them this Tuesday while it was being done and was really impressed. Manu is so enthusiastic, knows his stuff and really wants F car owners to get the best deal. He even took me for lunch. One thing I found out was that they have good leverage with the dealers in UK so for any servicing and mechanical problems you should give them a shout as you will probably get better main dealer services for same price or less by using them rather than being just joe bloggs. Anyway as for the result on the car it was just awesome. It was the most beautiful sound ripping out and I felt like I was driving a different car.It was so cool I took the long way home putting an extra hundred miles through country lanes. There were no resonance issues either which you can get if you go for the full Tubi system. Also I am told it will improve as the pipes coke up. I cant wait. Anyway big thanks to Manu and Ajay for a great day and great service. |