| Author | Message | ||
| Darrell Pardy (Dpardyferrari)
New member Username: Dpardyferrari Post Number: 26 Registered: 8-2002 |
When I got my 84 308 I received congratulations from many different Ferrari owners. No one seemed to care that it was a 308 and not something more modern or expensive - it is a Ferrari and they know my passion for the car. Been to club events and other Ferrari events and I am happy to say I have never encountered a 'Ferrari Snob". Are you sure they exist? I actually heard they became extinct about a year ago. | ||
| Vincent (Vincent348)
Intermediate Member Username: Vincent348 Post Number: 1011 Registered: 4-2003 |
I have to say that my Ferrari experience has been fantastic, both as an owner and an enthusiast. I try and do my my part on behalf of Ferrari enthusiast to accomodate anyone who wants a closer look. I've found that all the non-snob Ferrari owners have one thing in common: a passion for driving. Usually the snobby ones just don't enjoy driving all that much. I don't think they really get that it's a car, and not some kind of ornament. So far the only negative experience I've had is from some Yahoo heckling me from the sidewalk near a stop sign...whatever! As for snob Ferrari owners, who cares, in my mind the only bad Ferrari owner is one who doesn't enjoy the drive. Vincent. | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 935 Registered: 8-2002 |
Lee -- maybe you can work some of that magic on the small handful of them we have here on FerrariChat?!? | ||
| Lee Pierce (Leepierce)
Junior Member Username: Leepierce Post Number: 209 Registered: 1-2003 |
Mike Charness said: "In the 10 years I've owned my Ferrari and been active in the Ferrari club, I've only met two people who acted like snobs. It makes me wonder why they bother coming to the events in the first place." Most a-holes are just uptight and WANT to be better people. It takes a light touch and talk to work them out of their shell of pent-up anger and hostility. And THAT, my friends, is what a BS in Psychology will get ya'. Never went further; figured it all out in the first four years. | ||
| Gordy (Gwat)
New member Username: Gwat Post Number: 23 Registered: 7-2003 |
I went to Pacific Raceways today to check out the FOS track day. Had pretty good conversation with a guy who had a 355 Challenge car and then said a "How's it going" to a couple of other owners, they looked at me, then went on with their own talking amongst themselves. Alex is right; "A$$holes are a$$holes..." Unfortunately, I seem to run into more and more of them who just happen to drive Ferrari's. I'm not sure I want to be associated with this category. Could Ferrari owners be turning into closet Porsche owners? God help us... | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 756 Registered: 6-2002 |
Peter- cool to hear you're a pilot, what do you fly? (buddy of mine is training to become an ATP, infact he's passed his written already. I love flying with him whenever I can, but damn it's expensive! ) Best! Ben. | ||
| Peter Barbin (Sophia)
New member Username: Sophia Post Number: 12 Registered: 8-2003 |
Virtually every time I pull into a filling station, curious folks walk up and start asking questions. When I'm driving the '78 308, I'm out for a pleasing time...I take the time to talk to these people. Usually they approach with the "I don't want to bother you but..." They are shocked its 25 years old, and often profusely thank me for taking the time to show them the car. I wasn't born with a silver-spoon in my hand, yet now I make a handsome living hauling people around western-hemi @ 500mph. You think you're a sh**-hot pilot until you go through the rigors of an airline-training program. Then your humble-pie eating face settles into the seat of a mulit-million dollar jet with precious lives behind you going along for the ride. Where am I going with this? I'm not impressed with money or speed. I respect it on certain terms. I have more respect for (and time to talk to) that pimply-faced 17 year old in his/her cherished old restored VW, than some a-hole born with a silver-spoon in hand, carrying an attitude in the parking lot of a Ferrari, standing next to their rolling sneer. | ||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 625 Registered: 10-2002 |
There are only a few obnoxious snobs on this board. We all know who they are. Other than that, this is one big friendly family for Ferrari supporters, irrespective of ownership. | ||
| N'din (Abangdin)
New member Username: Abangdin Post Number: 23 Registered: 7-2003 |
Owning a Ferrari is like being in a family. It does not matter if you're the oldest or youngest, you belong in the family. Snobs are just childish. | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 749 Registered: 6-2002 |
James- When I was about 16, one of the mechanics at the local Ferrari dealer invited me into the shop and let me look at all the cars, chatted for quite a while, etc. I was just a kid, and clearly could not afford a dist cap. Today, I will buy my F-car from that dealership, because he treated me like a human being. Snobs? Ferrari owners have genuinely impressed me with their class and acceptance. I've met far more snobs on the Fiero board. Best! Ben. | ||
| Alex Papas (Alexpapas)
Junior Member Username: Alexpapas Post Number: 54 Registered: 2-2003 |
I think that those Ferrari owners with a superiority issue are probably like that anyway, Ferrari or not. A$$holes are a$$holes, no matter what they drive. I don't believe that someone buys a Ferrari and becomes a different person. They were genetically deficient to begin with. Like most smelly things in life they are best avoided. It's not worth engaging them in conversation. Remember, the opposite of love and admiration is indifference | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
New member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 30 Registered: 8-2003 |
I have an idea. Why doesnt Ferrari make a "re-issue" version of the 308 or 328,like Ford is doing with the GT(40). I mean,most everybody likes the looks of the 308/328,but,they are 20 +/- something year old cars,with less technology and perhaps,a few small other issues. They can make the car with all of the current technology. Because,if you really love,and want to have a Ferrari that LOOKS like a 308/328, they dont make em anymore,so you have to buy an old one. I constantly have people ask me if my 1981-308 is a "new"car.They cannot believe that it is a 22 year old car!The body style is "timeless" just as Ferrari lovers think that all Ferraris are. The GT40 was made in the mid 1960s,but also always looked "timeless". Look at the new one,really nice. So,why not?! | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2696 Registered: 1-2002 |
William H said it best, IMO! But MarkPDX takes the cake for best use of PhotoChop (pun intended)... | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 930 Registered: 8-2002 |
In the 10 years I've owned my Ferrari and been active in the Ferrari club, I've only met two people who acted like snobs. It makes me wonder why they bother coming to the events in the first place. Other than those two, all the ferrari people I've met at events have been very nice car people, and it doesn't matter what kind of car they have versus those with lower cost Ferraris. That's how it should be. On FerrariChat, I normally don't have reason to interact with the 3 or 4 people that clearly take an abrasive aproach to any discussion or disagreement. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2885 Registered: 2-2001 |
I think snobs are lonely, miserable people with low self esteem. We should really feel sorry for them. Especially some smuck who doesnt appreciate the beauty of his Ferrari & hasnt learned how to take a compliment | ||
| Bart Duesler (The_bart)
Member Username: The_bart Post Number: 287 Registered: 1-2003 |
If a 360 owner would down at me, well I drive a better one. I look down on no one. I am lucky and blessed. Those who would do that are nincompoops. I do not care about them. They were Porsche owners who got lucky. | ||
| L. (Testaroja)
Junior Member Username: Testaroja Post Number: 130 Registered: 5-2003 |
How dare a 360 owner even a spyder model car look down at a testarossa owner or a late 328 owner! Maybe this young newcomers to Ferrari cars should get a reality check and know that some of this older car owners paid around the same amount or more for their rides if they bought them back when the exotic car boomed. Testarossa's brand new were going for way over $300,000 and 328s for $160,000, not factory sticker but in the second hand market. Remember that in 1991a Testarossa's list price was $168,000 and in 1999 the 360 came out and the list price was like $140,000. This tells me in my own opinion that a Testarossa is a lot more car and maybe was more complex to built and design back then than the effort now to come up with the 360. I'm not putting the 360 down since I really like the car but I'm just making a point to those 360 snobs, not the cool 360 drivers. | ||
| Jason W (Pristines4)
Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 609 Registered: 12-2002 |
Bart, interesting theory. If only it were true. | ||
| Bart Duesler (The_bart)
Member Username: The_bart Post Number: 285 Registered: 1-2003 |
The only way a Ferrari owner will look down on another Ferrari owner is if he is taller. | ||
| Patrick Denonville (Arizonaguy)
Member Username: Arizonaguy Post Number: 553 Registered: 4-2003 |
I must say though... Not one Ferrari owner that I have talked to has beena snob, they are all really nice and down to earth, same with fanatics. | ||
| Jason W (Pristines4)
Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 608 Registered: 12-2002 |
I see them everyday. | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
Junior Member Username: Beast Post Number: 207 Registered: 5-2003 |
Thomas; Too cool!!! Rob | ||
| Thomas I (Wax)
Junior Member Username: Wax Post Number: 134 Registered: 7-2003 |
O thou of little faith, why didst thou doubt?  | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
New member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 24 Registered: 8-2003 |
Right On! But,I think I would have to be just a little snobbish if I had that F40 funnycar,posted earlier! (kidding!) | ||
| Darryl - TR&328 (Tr328)
New member Username: Tr328 Post Number: 43 Registered: 6-2003 |
I hate snobs! What make someone better than the next person. There are many other cars out there that I like. I make time for everyone and treat them with respect as I would want them to treat me. | ||
| Jean-Louis (Jlm348)
Member Username: Jlm348 Post Number: 661 Registered: 11-2002 |
I love to talk to people when they ask me about my car, especially kids. I was at a gas station last Friday night and a group ofm 10 12-15 years old saw me pumping gas and started asking a lot of questions. They always ask how did you get this and I tell them that going to school is very important and that as long as they study hard they can get a good job and eventually get one. JLM | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
New member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 23 Registered: 8-2003 |
I cant help but notice that nobodys really raggin on 246 Dinos. Which,I happen to like,but have a V6. Also,dont care,I think that they LOOK great!.Seems like,werent they in the $20,000.00 range not all that long ago.(years ago) but,are up to the $50s,lowend,to $80-$90s,average,and some examples well up over a $hundred,now. Is THAT why they are being "left out" of the foray? I like the 246 Dino,and if you own one,I wish I did. But,maybe after all of the uncared for,abused and neglcted 308s are weeded out of the herd,leaving only decent and nice ones left,they will then become more "rare",and,valuble? Mine is too valuable to me,no matter what,so,NADA price guides dont matter,either! | ||
| Bert Kanters (Bert308)
Junior Member Username: Bert308 Post Number: 96 Registered: 11-2002 |
In my first post when I said a 360 owner looks down on a 308 owner I chose the wrong words, I should have written a 360 driver looks down on a 308 driver, I meant it as a little joke in the actual physical way because the 308 is THE lowest Ferrari, 112 cm or about 44 inch. Only some sports/prototypes are lower. That's why a like the 308 so much, the 360 is too big for my taste. I certainly don't feel looked down upon and if some snobbish guy in a more modern or expensive Ferrari thinks he has a reason to look down on me, that's his problem, he will be the guy nobody likes. That never happened yet though. One day I was looking for Auto Becker in Dusseldorf, Germany for parts for the 308, couldn't find the place and saw a 550 with two guys in it and I asked them, you must certainly know were the local Ferrari delaer is and they kindly showed me the way and complimented me on my 21 year old Alfasud. At the dealer however, they noticed my car, jeans and T-shirt and looked a bit funny. They didn't have the part and directed me to another firm that would have the parts for "the older cars", they said "older" but I'm sure they meant "cheaper". The part by the way was the ignition rotor and I learned from here that it is indeed unobtainable. Fixed the broken rotor by glueing and screwing on an old Alfa rotor part :-) Mark, that munstermaranello is going around to all my friends! Keep them coming! | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
New member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 20 Registered: 8-2003 |
MarkPDX- Now THAT is what I am talking about! (the "blown-F40 pic.") Blown,injected,dual nitrous,800cu.in.,only,on a 4-wheel drive chassis,so that I can scare the crap out of the next moron in a SUV (you know,the ones with the big cages in the front,guardrails,etc...that the only "turf" that they ever encounter is a soccer field) Now,there I go,I am just like THEM!!!! I am picking on big,lunking S.U.V.S!!! What have I become!!! O.K.,O.K.-enough of that ,anyway,those big-ass SUVs that practically climb over your ass at the stoplights,because,we are SOOO LOW!!! | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5820 Registered: 8-2002 |
Sigh... i wonder about someone's judgment when they drink Shlitz... LOL...! i crack me up...  | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1277 Registered: 1-2002 |
If you look closely enough, that's me in the maranello ground pounder, but I had to sell it to buy the top fuel f40. Damn, I guess I'll never get my priorities right, selling the ground pounder for a "dino"? I guess I'll just desist , get a tattoo (on my ass of course, since I must be gay) , swig down a case of shlitz and resign myself to embracing the inferior human being that I am. regards, a sullen hubert | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2883 Registered: 2-2001 |
I suppose its like people of different races. I'm not a racist, I just dont like A-Holes & they come in all colors, nations, & religions | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
Junior Member Username: Beast Post Number: 204 Registered: 5-2003 |
I was having this very conversation with my boss today at work. He was mouthing off about how Ferrari owners have there head up in the clouds and think they are god... After that comment i had to reply with "All of the nicest people i have ever met own Ferrari's!! Now as for BMW owners that is another story!!!" Needless to say he owns a Bimmer. And if you are wondering i still have my job.... Rob | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5817 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jim, et al... If you ever meet me, ask me about 'Monkey See, Monkey Do'; a game i invented for those people who want to race and show off (whether you can beat them or not)... i won't type it out, but ask me if we ever have the pleasure of meeting; it's fun, safe and perfectly legal; make the other guy look like a complete ass and keep yourself out of trouble at the same time. Birdie's seen me do it a few times... Gets a real kick out of it, too... Mark, you seriously need counseling... i hope these pictures are what you do for a living... Just fuggin' hilarious... | ||
| Jerry W. (Tork1966)
Member Username: Tork1966 Post Number: 915 Registered: 7-2001 |
Was that a factory option Mark?!?! | ||
| S Rovito (Riv)
New member Username: Riv Post Number: 22 Registered: 9-2002 |
When I meet other ferrari owners at local events I always treat them like a member of the family with one common passion "Ferrari". If they decide to look down at me for no other reason than what I paid for my car then they are not worth my time either. I have meant great people with a lot of wealth and some expensive cars who would be happy to chat about this common interest. Those are the people I like to be around. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 2417 Registered: 7-2001 |
Had some bozo in a hot rod late model Vette messing with me at lunch today. Would race up beside me, pop it in neutral and rev the crap out of it. It was loud and obviously toyed with. He was pissed I wouldn't play. I guess he thought I was a 'snob' Ferrari owner. I'm not stupid, a stock Vette would outrun me. | ||
| Sam Germana (Sjmst)
New member Username: Sjmst Post Number: 31 Registered: 7-2003 |
Oops, extra "have" there. I guess it is true. I'm not worthy... | ||
| Sam Germana (Sjmst)
New member Username: Sjmst Post Number: 30 Registered: 7-2003 |
OK, so I have finally have a Ferrari, and find that because it is the bottom of the totem pole (Mondial 8) a few people with personality disorders will look down on me? It is a heavy burden, but a price I am willing to pay. | ||
| Jeff Green (Carguy)
Member Username: Carguy Post Number: 459 Registered: 10-2002 |
The very fact that there is a thread on this subject does indicate that this does occasionally happen. I own a Testarossa and have seen the "down the nose look" directed at myself. I guess this is because TRs are near entry level Ferraris now. I have also tried to compliment the owner of a 355 on how gorgeous his car was and he said...."yeah....whatever". From the look of his manicured finger nails it's obvious he was born with a platinum spoon in his mouth. But thankfully these are rare instances. Keep in mind that these people with their attitudes are heavily outnumbered, and are actually only hurting themselves by acting this way. I never take it personal...and usually utter something under my breath of a less-than-flattering nature. Fact is, you cannot escape the "bell curve" of natural variation, so we will always have a few black sheep in the herd. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1974 Registered: 11-2002 |
Joe, Unfortunately you are mistaken. As much as L. Wayne is a historian of important Ferraris, Mark is THE authority on the downtrodden and oft forgotten Ferraris that linger in obscurity. These are all documented real cars. This F40 (twin engine, no less) is obviously a real car. Blower up front and twin turbos at the back. He is also the owner of a VERY VERY rare Lamborghini Agriculture Sport Speciale. As an avid Lamborghini enthusiast, I tip my hat to him. Cheers | ||
| Joe (Jts)
New member Username: Jts Post Number: 25 Registered: 8-2003 |
Mark - your sense of humour and Photoshop skills are killing me! Well done. The Monster Truck Maranello and this F40 (Top Fuel F40?) made me fall out of my chair. (BTW The L. Wayne as L. Ron Hubbard will live in infamy ) | ||
| MarkPDX (Markpdx)
Member Username: Markpdx Post Number: 306 Registered: 4-2003 |
Frank No reason for the purists to cringe. There are tons of old V8 Dinos around and there is nothing wrong with performance mods that will help them keep up with other cars on the street.  | ||
| G. Green (Mr_green)
Junior Member Username: Mr_green Post Number: 134 Registered: 8-2003 |
Andreas, Are you talking about the Marconi museum? | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5812 Registered: 8-2002 |
Mark, that's just fuckin' hilarious... Sorry folks, 'scuse my language... i'm just now drying my eyes... i came in here 5 minutes ago... Unbelievable... | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
New member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 18 Registered: 8-2003 |
But,funny. I always wanted to do that with a 308 body,with a blown big block sticking out of the hood,some "zoomies" sticking out of the sides. Never seen one (as the purists cringe!) | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2317 Registered: 8-2002 |
Markpdx, I think the next F-chat callendar should feature all of the artwork you've posted on this site. Great stuff! | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
New member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 17 Registered: 8-2003 |
THAT is CRUEL,Man! CRUE-EL!!! | ||
| MarkPDX (Markpdx)
Member Username: Markpdx Post Number: 304 Registered: 4-2003 |
Driving the Monster Maranello I always look down on lowly Dinos  | ||
| Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Member Username: Paulie_b Post Number: 668 Registered: 1-2003 |
Andreas, some of the "collectors" down here in Florida are unapproachable and not as friendly as your person in Chicago.. I am talking about the heavy hitters. | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
New member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 16 Registered: 8-2003 |
Most of us(Ferrari owners AND enthusiasts) pretty much like ALL Ferraris. But, I think that the general public has always,until lately, been pretty much exposed to models like the 308,because of MANY posters,Magnum P.I.,Christie Brinkley driving one in National Lampoons "Vacation" movie, etc...And,it was probably the first,so called,"mass produced" model. (I always thought that they were still hand assembled back then.) So,more of them are seen,simply because there were more made. How many old 250s,or 212s,do you EVER see old on the road(on a continuous basis,and not at car shows) The earlier models...many less were made,subsequently,the huge pricetags now. (Justifying not taking too many chances putting it in danger of being destroyed by one of the many morons who get a Drivers License,simply because the lax government allows them to,with very minimal training.) If they made 5 or 10 thousand 275GTB/4 cars,they would probably be commanding alot less than $275,000.00 to the $399,000.00 asking prices that I have seen,lately,too. Probably,the mere fact that Ferrari decided to make so many 3X8 cars,in the first place,can be attributed to as to why we even still have Ferrari cars being made,today. If they only made a hundred,or so,do you think that the company would have survived the 1990s? Was Chrysler gonna buy them and "bail them out" if they needed money to continue going? Would they have survived having a small production run for a "street"car,AND have been able to keep the operartion going,AND their continued "racing" efforts? And,would 3X8s now be commanding $200-$300,00.00? Who Knows. Who cares. FERRARI built the cars,THAT is all that matters! Now,in almost ALL of the action films and T.V. shows,you see 360s,575s,even Enzos. And,they make alot of 360s,so,someday,will they be chastized as much as the 3X8 cars,because so many are made? If they make a "comeback" Magnum P.I. movie,or T.V. movie(whatever) What will Thomas Magnum be driving? A 360,or,a "classic"308? (I would say,"an Enzo!",but thats just me) | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Intermediate Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 1136 Registered: 10-2001 |
Frank, you'll have to ask them! LOL I bought my car with a few grams ;>). (Certified check of course!) | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2858 Registered: 9-2001 |
Ken, over 2,000 pounds of money ? That's a lot of money. Did they pay in pennies ? | ||
| L. (Testaroja)
Junior Member Username: Testaroja Post Number: 129 Registered: 5-2003 |
Arent the dino's 6s and not 8s ? Also Ferrari motors came in v12 and flat12. By the way if you need your ferrari to do the talking for your inferiority complex maybe you should get a penile surgery and take some steroids and hit the gym, the only men that think like this are losers...go get your shine box. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Intermediate Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 1134 Registered: 10-2001 |
I just like cool cars. If I ever buy a Ferrari I'll feel part of that small family, but even with my lowly old Lotus I feel part of a larger family: the family of people who drive a very amazing if impractical car that they're always working on, and don't really mind all the hassles of ownership. People with an early 60's muscle car are in the same club to some extent, as are Muira owners and Daytona owners, etc. I don't look down on 360 owners though. They have a cool car that's fun to drive and impractical too, although I HOPE they're not tinkering with it every few days! They've spent tons more money than I have but that's irrelavent. Their 'club' is diffent than mine in that respect (and the fact they don't need to be tinkerers) but we're in the same family in my eyes. | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 673 Registered: 4-2002 |
Agreed, it is the passion and not if you technically own one. Some of us have had the passion for DECADES, yet (perhaps only recently) have been able to have one in their stable. The free jacket story from Mr. Chinetti as told by James comes to mind. In fact have an original advert by Mr. Chinetti where it features the 308. Naturally life is a circle. Speaking for myself, purchased hundreds of Ferrari stickers and have printed handouts about the 308 here. There are times when going out of, or in, the car i see those who are admiring it. Perhaps they want to sit in it, it's cool with me. Kids like it too and they get free stickers from Yours Truly. Some gear heads appreciate the hand out about the car. Have enjoyed quite a few conversations about the 308 here. Naturally the guy in the Z-06 can smoke the 308, as can **many** modern cars. It is not about the specifi Ferrari you own, its ultimate speed, nor performance. For me, it is about the history, the passion, the driving experience. A few of my friends have MUCH faster cars than the '85 308GTS QV, yet there is *something* about experiencing a ride in it that is captivating. Could it be the lack of cat pipe and custom exhaust (hence, the sound)? Could it be the smell of car and the feel of it when cornering? In the end, IMHO, it is a complete experience! Have noticed that those who are (longstanding) the most accomplished tend to also be the most gracious. They listen... and share... and have a passion for many things in life. "The more we think we know about, the greater the unknown." -- Rush "The more you know the less you understand" -- Tao Te Ching "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye" -- Antoine De Saint-Exup�ry "All you touch and all you see is all your life will ever be" -- Pink Floyd "Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it." -- Ferris Bueller Enjoy the Drive, Steven R. Rochlin | ||
| Charles Brading (Austin308)
New member Username: Austin308 Post Number: 43 Registered: 6-2003 |
Here is my $o.o2 worth. I believe that ferrari owners are like family. You may have a brother you pick on or an uncle we don't talk about. Still family. I bet you you could be broke down in some strange town and log on to Fchat and someone would be there to help you. | ||
| John Pray (Juanito308)
New member Username: Juanito308 Post Number: 34 Registered: 3-2003 |
Buck up Dom! A lot of people like the Bertone-bodied 308s. Plus, you have a very nice picture in your profile. Drive and be free! | ||
| Dom Vitarella (Dom)
Member Username: Dom Post Number: 405 Registered: 11-2002 |
Jeez, I've got a GT4. Even the non-ferrari owners look down on me  Dom | ||
| Mark Moon (Enzomoon)
Junior Member Username: Enzomoon Post Number: 237 Registered: 4-2002 |
Napolis: I agree wholeheartedly. Passion is or least should never be snobbish. Lord knows I have run into many of this ilk in the Ferrari world. I simply avoid them in the future. And yet, our recent dinner with Mauro Baldi reminded me of why I love these cars. If anyone could be a "snob" someone of his credentials would seem logical and yet he was one of the most gracious people I have met in or out of the Red Car world. Obviously, he is secure with himself and his accomplishments(for good reason). I have run into more snobbish Ferrari salesmen than enthusiasts. To me the bottom line is that I love to talk these cars with whomever will listen!! I don't care if you own one, what model, how much you make, what your level of education is, etc. If you love Ferraris and are a nice guy/gal that is all that matters. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 2407 Registered: 7-2001 |
What makes one out of a hundred an a$$wipe? I bet Gary/Tony could give us the answer. I thought he'd done away with the inane posts. | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 1484 Registered: 3-2001 |
This question is pointless. In business, there are 99 good people and one a$$wipe. In your neighborhood there are 99 good people and one a$$wipe. Of 308 owners, there are 99 good people and one a$$wipe. Of 360/575 owners, there are 99 good people and one a$$wipe. In F-Chat, there are 99 good people and one a$$wipe. So what do you do with these a$$wipes? You avoid them. And they usually know who they are. | ||
| Peter Topman (Peter_topman)
Junior Member Username: Peter_topman Post Number: 54 Registered: 8-2002 |
Mr. Wayne, With all due respect, I know my comment may have sounded like it, But I'm not "the___" Have Rob check the I.P. if you'd like. Please find something/someone else to pick on. re. Gary Michael Gordon Dan Tony Albert Pantera Robert question : Good question. However my negative experiences have been mostly cynicism and sarcasm from people that don't own Ferrari's. Have a nice day ! | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 759 Registered: 4-2002 |
Ernesto said: "Ferrari V12 owners should definitely have the right to look down on the lowly Dino V8 owners. " What if you own a V12 and a V8? Are you required to look down on yourself? Will this cause a new type of self esteem issue? Megoloferrarimanianicitis? Perhaps I could just say the 308 is the wifes Ferrari and then look down on her. Hmmmmmm probably not good for the sex life. The whole one Ferrari owner looking down on another because of the monetary value of the cars is pretty stupid. After all.... in the early '70s did the new Daytona owner look down on the owner of an old used car like perhaps a 250SWB? After all at that time the Daytona was worth more. If so he probably feels pretty stupid now. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2385 Registered: 10-2002 |
The first Ferrari dealership I went was Mr. Chinetti's. I was 12. I arrived on my bike. He welcomed me and let me spend hours hanging around sitting in his race cars and air racing. One day it started to rain. He noticed I didn't have a jacket. He took a NART team jacket off the peg and gave it to me. I still have it. Passion is never snobbish. | ||
| Patrick Denonville (Arizonaguy)
Member Username: Arizonaguy Post Number: 551 Registered: 4-2003 |
I don't have anything against any Ferrari owner, hey at least they have one... Which is more than I can say for myself. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1461 Registered: 8-2001 |
Here we go again, 360 owners under attack. What is wrong with owning a 360 anyway? I like my fellow Ferrari owners just fine. No matter what model they own. | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 684 Registered: 3-2002 |
Interesting thread here. Perhaps you are trying to stir up some fire here ? Good question none the less. I forgot to answer one of the very recent 0/T posts about how one of the Salesman at a F Dealership ( who traded in a sales job for law school ) described the potential customers that walked in the door. I fit his description of being a Jack-Off. I drove a Toyota to the Ferrari dealership to look at a used Ferrari. I was not playing around with the salesman in pretending to purchase a new Ferrari. I was only interested in purchasing a used mid-engine 12. I suppose I could have garnered in inch more of respect should I have elected to bring the new BMW in lieu of the Toyota ? WOW a new Bimmer ~ That will get the respect. I could care less. I was not interested in trying to just test drive Ferraris. I think it is also a little rediculous to pay virtually an asking price on a 512 Boxer before test driving the vehicle. Yes for all you salesman that are tired of pretenders ~ You will have to waist your time from time to time with Jack-Offs. This is the nature of sales. But you never no when you are going to upset someone who is not playing a pretender who purchased an expensive suit and looks the part. Sometimes these Jack-offs spend their money elsewhere. Dealing with all kinds of potential customers and Jack-Offs is just part of sales. I have dealt with Jack-Offs in my business who ask me to give them a free-be when my competitors drop the ball; only to go back to them with open arms. I learn real quick after awhile. I do give people the benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise. I am sure "quite" a few salesmen that are moving expensive Italian Metal/Aluminum are so busy nowadays with "just" serious customers that they can afford to fiqure out who's who with a brief glance at the customer that walks in the door. Perhaps it is the cologne or the sunglasses that the customer has with them that gives them the passing grade ? Please feel free to give some tips on how to get a passing grade for people that are marginal. Not everyone that purchases a cheap car does so because that is their only option. The situation can also work the other way around. Some people have a HUGE new TV and a "cheap" little old trailer. | ||
| ty (360mode)
Junior Member Username: 360mode Post Number: 121 Registered: 9-2002 |
let's not let a worthless topic like this turn into something fugly! there's gonna be at least a few ba$tards in every group... but that is definitely the exception, not the rule, at least in my fcar experience. | ||
| Patrick Denonville (Arizonaguy)
Member Username: Arizonaguy Post Number: 550 Registered: 4-2003 |
I was thinking of this lastnight... The snobs think they are the ••••... That they are the top of the line and their 360 is the best Ferrari (no offense anyone). But if they were the •••• they would have an Enzo, and if they were Ferrari loyalists they would have been alloted an Enzo... They need to open up their money bag filled eyes and notice this... There is no reason why 360 owners should look down on the 308, or any reason anyone should look down on another person... Because most are mass produced... There is gaggles of 3x8's and 355/360's, propably more so than 3x8 models. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1917 Registered: 10-2002 |
Paul, sounds like you had some bad experiences, I can imagine. OTOH I have to say, I met so far two real collectors with Ferraris to die for and both were not only terribly friendly, but made extra sure one gets a chance to see their collection (ok, you can twist that point into a negative as well). Mr Friberg in Chicagoland invites the FCA folks over to his home and wines and dines us. He is the nicest guy and offers all his hospitality for free. What a guy! The other one runs his own museum down in LA (his Italian name escapes me, memory loss) and for basically nothing you can admire his entire collection. Call it an ego trip if you must, I call it genuine generosity. | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2314 Registered: 8-2002 |
Peter_Topman, **** *****, The_***, etc: Welcome back. | ||
| Peter Topman (Peter_topman)
Junior Member Username: Peter_topman Post Number: 53 Registered: 8-2002 |
Gary Michael Gordon Dan Tony Albert Pantera Robert Alvarez the III ::::::: Your question sounds like someone with an inferiority complex. | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 671 Registered: 4-2002 |
High... Low... The passion is usually the same :-) Frankly, i'd rather hang around 308 owners who KNOW thy history and are cordial over an Enzo owner who is overly self-absorbed. It is NOT the car, it is the person. Anyone with $$$ can buy things, yet good manners cost nothing eh? This whole topic reminds me of having a type of lame "Class" system. We are all equal in the end. Enjoy the Drive and Music (Pink Floyd right now), Steven R. Rochlin "...And as the windshield melts And my tears evaporate Leaving only charcoal to defend Finally, I understand The feelings of the few Ashes and diamonds Foe and friend We were all equal in the end..." | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2881 Registered: 2-2001 |
everybody looks down on Boxers & TRs cus wer'e the lowest things on the road | ||
| Jerry W. (Tork1966)
Member Username: Tork1966 Post Number: 908 Registered: 7-2001 |
Of course he's kidding. This thread is pointless. While we're at it, why is the sky blue? Why do people say that they have a certain car when they really don't? | ||
| Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Member Username: Paulie_b Post Number: 667 Registered: 1-2003 |
Ernesto, I hope you are kidding. | ||
| Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Member Username: Paulie_b Post Number: 666 Registered: 1-2003 |
There are some snobs out there as in any group. Unfortunately for all. I own a 360 and certainly do not fall in this category and don't agree to Bert's comment; at least in my case. I think that the real snobs are the ones with the big collections of real collectible Ferrari's. For the most part they think their s**t doesn't stink. A real turnoff. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1667 Registered: 2-2001 |
Ferrari V12 owners should definitely have the right to look down on the lowly Dino V8 owners. Ernesto | ||
| Bert Kanters (Bert308)
Junior Member Username: Bert308 Post Number: 95 Registered: 11-2002 |
A 360 owner can look down on a 308 owner. (because a 360 is so high compared to the low 308) Somehow I don't think this will turn into a nice, worth reading, useful thread. | ||
| mike 308 (Concorde)
Member Username: Concorde Post Number: 282 Registered: 8-2002 |
We have a small handful of them here on FerrariChat, so you should get some interesting answers. Thankfully, most folks do not fit into that category. | ||
| G. Green (Mr_green)
Junior Member Username: Mr_green Post Number: 133 Registered: 8-2003 |
What makes one Ferrari owner look down at another Ferrari owner? |