| Author | Message | ||
| jeff ryerson (Atheyg)
Member Username: Atheyg Post Number: 406 Registered: 8-2002 |
Porsches are a great car for everyday driving, I met some Porsche executives a few years back and asked how they felt about Ferrari they stated, "A Porsche is like having a wife and mistress combined, the best of both worlds, a Porsche is a useable exotic that can be driven everyday." | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 938 Registered: 4-2003 |
Hey! That's MY 512M! :-D Jack  (It's merely a slotcar so not too detailed...) | ||
| Kds (Kds)
Junior Member Username: Kds Post Number: 131 Registered: 5-2003 |
Aaaahhhh....a 512M ? and a 917-30........ Gotta hand it to Porsche...........when they "want" to win...they win.... | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2427 Registered: 10-2002 |
Speaking of FAST cars. Sept 5-7 I'll be at Watkins Glen with my MK-IV and these 2 other Donohue cars one of which is the fastest race car ever built. (It's not the Ferrari)   | ||
| David R. (Rodsky)
Junior Member Username: Rodsky Post Number: 209 Registered: 3-2003 |
Taek - Hope your brother is OK. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1291 Registered: 1-2002 |
Taek: Get the GT 2. Even a 996 TT w/ the X option isn't quite the same. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1992 Registered: 11-2002 |
Dave, I'm stealing that little image from you. The Bling Meter is awesome! If the Turbo had a boost gauge I'd modify it so it says Bling instead of boost. Cheers | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1991 Registered: 11-2002 |
David, My brother was involved in a crash with my car. I had lent it to him for the week with disastrous consequences. The car is "totalled". I was considering a GT2 or a Turbo Cab or a regular Turbo again. For all the bashing these cars get, I just keep coming back to them. They are just incredible cars. Its rare to dump a large sum of money in a car and feel good about every aspect of ownership and feel you got a GREAT deal! To prospect of buying a new Ferrari leaves me with a little doubt in the back of my mind. Porsche is easy. It's like an A to B guy buying a Toyota. Cheers | ||
| Kds (Kds)
Junior Member Username: Kds Post Number: 128 Registered: 5-2003 |
The mastery of Adobe Photoshop here just kills me sometimes !!!! | ||
| David McGee (Damcgee)
Junior Member Username: Damcgee Post Number: 93 Registered: 2-2003 |
Hey Taek, do you still have your Turbo? You said something about looking at Porsche "again", and I wondered. | ||
| Dean (Deanger)
New member Username: Deanger Post Number: 41 Registered: 2-2003 |
I love car message boards because we get to argue the same stuff over and over again when we all know there is no right answer. I can tell you the 5k miles in my GT2 were exciting, every single one. It is an amazing car. These new tweaks are total marketing. Less weight, and yet the wheels are still non-hollow -- total anchors as far as I'm concerned. If you want a GT2 find a nice used one, they are dirt cheap, and then do a few mods, starting with the wheels. You will never get tired of driving it. Just be careful. | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 781 Registered: 4-2002 |
Yup Rob, take away mods and driver issues, I cant see anything in the sub $300K production class toughing the GT2. You could perhaps purchase one of the street modified 962s running around out there.... but short of that the GT2 should rule the road. I still think the 360 looks and sounds better. But for me, in those price ranges my choices would be: Buy a Daytona for street driving and get the GT2 for track days! Is it really any big surprise that Porsche builds the better club focused track car? They have more experience in this range/target market and place much more emphasis on it. That doesnt reduce the status or desirability of any Ferrari model at all. Porsche builds wonderful driving cars with brilliant engineering. | ||
| David R. (Rodsky)
Junior Member Username: Rodsky Post Number: 206 Registered: 3-2003 |
Rob - I think a Murci would qualify for super-car over $200K. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2760 Registered: 1-2002 |
Jimmy Page & his big block blower, doin' the boulevard pimp thang! Love it!! Also love the XBling option. You forgot the neon underneath the car, Mark...  | ||
| Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Junior Member Username: Boxer12 Post Number: 149 Registered: 6-2003 |
Those stats are BS. For instance, they won't overrev an engine, so if you have to shift at 59 mph, there goes your 0-60 times....Also, G-force does not mean faster on the track, as cornering dynamics are more complicated. I would want to drive each before making a decision...don't pick w/o a good test drive. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6035 Registered: 12-2000 |
OK, get driver or mod comparisons out of this equation. I picked up a recent R&T and based on 0-60, 1/4 mile, braking, and G's here are the cars in order I would want to drive on the track if my life depended on it. Otherwise I love Ferrari and always want a Ferrari, you can always get something faster. No supercars ($200k+) included... 1) Porsche GT2 2) Lamborghini Murcielago 3) Dodge Viper SRT 4 - tie) Corvette Z06 4 - tie) Ferrari 360 | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1598 Registered: 12-2001 |
Dave and Mark: you guys really made me laugh. Thanks for the mods. Dave, does your question imply that you will be in NYC? If so, would love to meet. As to the "battle" between these cars, i agree with Will H. and Terry that the specs are virtually meaningless, at least when the car is in the hands of a rank amateur without serious track time, like me. And, i also agree that the car doesn't have the overt sex appeal of the ferrari. But, and take this from somebody who loves ferrari, its a truly impressive car to drive. | ||
| will h (Willh)
Junior Member Username: Willh Post Number: 189 Registered: 3-2003 |
Once you accept that competitiveness is mostly down to the driver, you're left with rationalizing your own inability to win all the time, against all cars. I don't like to face hard truths, hence the essential corollary to the rule that driver skill is everything in lower level racing: "Everybody ahead of me is cheating." | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 779 Registered: 4-2002 |
"As for competing or "playing", in club events and an awful lot of amateur racing I think competitiveness is largely down to driver skill - particularly if we're talking about playing at club track day events." I totally agree with this. At P-car track days, its not uncommon to see early low hp 911s on skinny tires blowing the doors off of late model turbos... all because of driver skill. | ||
| will h (Willh)
Junior Member Username: Willh Post Number: 188 Registered: 3-2003 |
">>The GT2 can have twice the hp, Id still buy the 360.<< And if you were buying the car to take it to compete at track events?" If the point is that you'd expect the Porsche to cost less to operate in club style, unmodified track use, I agree with you. But I'm still choosing the Stradale for club event use, because I like the car better - completely subjective. As for competing or "playing", in club events and an awful lot of amateur racing I think competitiveness is largely down to driver skill - particularly if we're talking about playing at club track day events. If we're talking about actual wheel to wheel racing, then I think the discussion becomes too complex - what series, what modifications, what rules, etc. | ||
| MarkPDX (Markpdx)
Member Username: Markpdx Post Number: 330 Registered: 4-2003 |
Taek You should also check into the XBling option on the Porsche.  | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1989 Registered: 11-2002 |
Wow an ultra rare "Blower Barchetta"! Didn't know Bill was big pimpin' with that! Are those rims real gold? Hey those Turbo cabs are in by now. Do those things come with the X50 option? Hesitantly considering Porsche...again... Cheers | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 825 Registered: 2-2003 |
360CS, all the way. Sometimes style is more important. Sunny | ||
| MarkPDX (Markpdx)
Member Username: Markpdx Post Number: 329 Registered: 4-2003 |
Dave Just because Bill didn't get the Monster Maranello conversion on his Barchetta doesn't mean he didn't make some killer mods.   | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 690 Registered: 3-2002 |
I also would like a GT 2. I have heard that they are alot more performance car than a X 50 996 Twin Turbo. It is more than just a 2WD and a pony or two more. Supposedly the factory kept the published HP output low. It does not take much to bump the HP. I also like the looks of the car. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1290 Registered: 1-2002 |
I"ll say this much... you may not like the style, the boring interior, the senile exh. note, nor the fact that it isn't from maranello, but if you ever see a gt2 upclose and personal, in the hands of a good driver, it'll leaving you with a gapping slackjaw. And, it'll do what it does, all day long, and all night long without a single hiccup. B/W the two , I'd take a GT2. ps; there will only be 9 gt2 imported. | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 689 Registered: 3-2002 |
Answer: The GT 2 wins in "all" areas but style. | ||
| James (Admiral_thrawn)
New member Username: Admiral_thrawn Post Number: 50 Registered: 7-2003 |
>>The GT2 can have twice the hp, Id still buy the 360.<< And if you were buying the car to take it to compete at track events? | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1669 Registered: 2-2001 |
The GT2 can have twice the hp, Id still buy the 360. Ernesto | ||
| James (Admiral_thrawn)
New member Username: Admiral_thrawn Post Number: 49 Registered: 7-2003 |
Yep, you're right Terry. I'd love to see a race between the GT2 and the F40 around a track; it'd be very close. :-) | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 776 Registered: 4-2002 |
James, are you sure on the F40? I have a tough time seeing the F40 stay with the GT2 around a track. Sure 0-60 and such, but on the racetrack I would lay my wager on the GT2 given equal drivers. Its just a much more modern design relative to suspension and in particular brakes. The Porsche factory has always been ridiculously conservative on both published HP figures and fuel/ignition mapping. Thats how the tuners are able to make such apparently phenomenal gains. An example is the old 993 twin turbo rated at 400hp. I have read actual hp on most cars as delivered was more like 415-420hp. Add to that a chip and minor exhaust change and you get 450-480 and its still just relatively simple bolt on stuff. If you want to drop some coin: add a change in the turbos, wastegate and intercooler.... 750hp. I think the Stradale is a much better looking car and I bet it will sound better as well. But if they were both put in the same showroom stock racing class it would always be foolish to bet against the Porsche. | ||
| James (Admiral_thrawn)
New member Username: Admiral_thrawn Post Number: 48 Registered: 7-2003 |
The Porsche 911 996 GT2 is actually quicker than all current production street Ferraris except the Enzo. Within the last 20 years, the only two other production street Ferraris that can better its peformance are the F40 and the F50. | ||
| will h (Willh)
Junior Member Username: Willh Post Number: 187 Registered: 3-2003 |
"just read autoweek that p is re issuing gt2 turbo for 04 with less weight and more hp. means trouble for 360cs for sure." I just can't see the GT2 hurting Stradale sales. Sort of understand what you're saying, it's mostly subjective anyway, there are going to be so many choices in this performance range, but I'm one Stradale sale Ferrari isn't going to lose to the GT2. I have trouble believing these cars are bought purely or primarily on specs. I'm a track junkie, and I don't care that much about a few tenths to 60, or 10 mph in top speed. I give looks/style to the Stradale, and I prefer my local Ferrari dealer to my local Porsche dealer. Not knocking the GT2, just a matter of personal preference. Love the cars the Monster Maranello is jumping. Nice touch. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2754 Registered: 1-2002 |
Thanks. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2422 Registered: 10-2002 |
Not far. Take the shuttle to Grand Central and the Lex local uptown to 59 walk one block. Or a cab. 20 mins. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2753 Registered: 1-2002 |
I have a friend & his father in law who will be doing the Egypt/Sahara Rally next month. I tried to get them to build one of these, but they didn't have the stones for it... By the way, how far is 650 Madison (between 59th & 60th Streets) and Penn Station? | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2421 Registered: 10-2002 |
Sh it Dave don't show that pic to my wife. Now that she's planning to "Iron Babe" the Bahia 2000 in her Trubo Cayenne I'm afraid she'll want one of those. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Advanced Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2750 Registered: 1-2002 |
Jim, Yeah, but I'll bet Bill misses the mods he could have done with his Barchetta or even his 550, to wit the Monster Maranello:  | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2420 Registered: 10-2002 |
Bill A friend just "chipped" his to 550hp. Whole deal was less that 4K including a few other goodies. Chipped I bet yours would even be faster than Alan's Lambo... | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1597 Registered: 12-2001 |
Nope. | ||
| Jason W (Pristines4)
Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 620 Registered: 12-2002 |
Will this be the new 997? | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1596 Registered: 12-2001 |
From what i have been told, the horsepower gains are entirely attributable to remapping of the ECU. The aftermarket already supports a number of respected tuners, and chip makers, whose work brings horsepower levels up to the ridiculous. Apparently, at a certain level, you must make changes to ancillary equipment to carry all this HP. I have resisted "chipping" mine, for now. The interior is still boring, though, and they could chuck the cupholder at the same time they get rid of the radio. By the way, the stock exhaust on the GT-2 is a humongous thing. Changing that, alone, yields significant improvements, not just in weight, but in quicker access to booosSSSTTTTT! | ||
| Patrick Denonville (Arizonaguy)
Member Username: Arizonaguy Post Number: 568 Registered: 4-2003 |
Challenge Stradale is faster than the Challenge, isn't the GT2 already faster than a 360 Challenge? | ||
| neal (95spiderneal)
Junior Member Username: 95spiderneal Post Number: 228 Registered: 3-2002 |
just read autoweek that p is re issuing gt2 turbo for 04 with less weight and more hp. means trouble for 360cs for sure. performance, maintenance, reliability, dealer network all go to porsche. looks/style only for 360cs. if given to me as a gift with all maintenance and a loaner cs for when in shop then id take cs. if my own $ to use on street and drive to 10 track events/year, then id have to go porsche. |