| Author | Message | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 6020 Registered: 8-2002 |
Dan, Martin - LMAO...! | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5877 Registered: 5-2001 |
Its always great to hear opinions and trash talk about a certain model from people who never owned one. The electrical gremlins of the 348 the bad handling of the 348 the poor built-quality of the 348. I guess in the 3 years of problem free 21,000 Miles of 348-daily driving I must have overlooked something. Opinions are as good as the information that stands behind it. | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1254 Registered: 9-2002 |
I don't know - I've always pictured Jim to be the slammed El Camino type with hundo-spoke gold wheels and hydraulics, not to mention the biggest radiator grill you've ever seen. Velvet interior fo course.  --Dan | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 6017 Registered: 8-2002 |
Dan, good question, as i have absolutely no idea, whatsoever... i guess i just assumed he was referring to J6... Can you picture someone driving that car down the street, the roof a mere 40 inches from the ground, 'Damn, It's Good To Be A Gangsta' thumping throughout the cockpit...? That makes for a really cool mental picture... | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1250 Registered: 9-2002 |
I missed that one! Now to which car was he referring? --Dan PS: That would be a cool title for those in the know. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 6013 Registered: 8-2002 |
No, sorry, Dan, just a coincidence (although, i have seen that movie)... If you recall, some time not too long ago, there was a thread about which song best DEScribes your car... James Glickenhaus said 'Damn, It's Good To Be A Gangsta', which is the reference i continue to revert back to ('cause it's just so damn cool...) | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1247 Registered: 9-2002 |
Ok - I thought the 'Damn it's good to be a gangsta' song came from the movie Office Space. Inadvertent reference, I guess. --Dan | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 6002 Registered: 8-2002 |
Dan - what movie...? We're talking about a book, you're talking about a movie - now i'm all interested in a movie and i don't even know the title or what it's about...! | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1241 Registered: 9-2002 |
DES: one of my favorite parts of that movie is when Michael (I think Michael is the programmer) is listening to thug rap in the car, and then sees the guy selling flowers, timidly turns it down and locks the car, waits for him to pass, and then turns it back up! --Dan | ||
| Andy Barre (Abarre)
New member Username: Abarre Post Number: 50 Registered: 7-2003 |
Brock Yates is not very opinionated though. I'm sure the book is completely objective - whatever it's title... ;-) | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5995 Registered: 8-2002 |
Michael, what's the name of the book...? As far as you know, is the information contained therein accurate...? | ||
| Thomas I (Wax)
Junior Member Username: Wax Post Number: 186 Registered: 7-2003 |
philip, regarding your profile pic; IMO, the shadow on the strakes is the visual side-effect the designers were looking for. Nice shot. | ||
| Michael C. James (Mjames)
Junior Member Username: Mjames Post Number: 105 Registered: 6-2003 |
DES' original thread reminds me of the time when Brock Yates published his Bio on Enzo. He was taking calls from some very nervous Ferrari speculators that were very concerned that their car's value would nosedive if he said anything critical in his book about Enzo. I had to laugh at that one.... BTW, I'd recommend the book to anyone who doesn't have a copy. They're alittle hard to find, however. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5944 Registered: 8-2002 |
LOL, Wayne, i agree... He should call it: 'Damn It's Good To Be A Gangsta' | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2372 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jim, one of these days you have to write a book. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2457 Registered: 10-2002 |
Wayne Too bad that Pebble Maser lost the suppmental wiper that beauty has. Those came in very handy on those rainy nights when the main wipers packed it in. Watching the Contessa heel and toe, brake,change down, reach up and flick that wiper as we headed down the Grand Cornish is not something I'll soon forget. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5943 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ok, so it's a 400 Superamerica that looks like a 250GTO... i never said there was anything wrong with the Superamerica, it just doesn't do it for me, aesthetically... It's a 12 cylinder, it's got sac; i just don't like the physical appearance of the car... | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5942 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ok, so it's a 330 GTO... This is what i found so far... | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5941 Registered: 8-2002 |
LOL, Wayne, you're way ahead of me...! i have LOTS and LOTS to learn... i'm just saying that the older cars need to have a certain look to appeal to me... If the Superamerica raced, that makes no difference, i still don't like it's appearance... Let me see what i can dig up on that 250GTO look alike... | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2370 Registered: 8-2002 |
Just for fun...
Okay, DES, check out this car and tell me what you see: http://www.barchetta.cc/Common/Images/SN/2643GT/XLarge/250GT.Sperimentale.2643GT.010.jpg http://www.barchetta.cc/Common/Images/SN/2643GT/XLarge/250GT.Sperimentale.2643GT.011.jpg http://www.barchetta.cc/Common/Images/SN/2643GT/XLarge/250GT.Sperimentale.2643GT.012.jpg I challenge you to do a little research and find out what effect this car (2643GT) had on Ferrari's racing heritage. Now check out this one: http://www.barchetta.cc/Common/Images/SN/4561SA/XLarge/330.GTO.4561SA.OldGP.001.jpg This is 4561SA. While you're searching, find out what kind of car it is because it's not what you think. BTW, Ferrari never made a car called the "330 GTO" so that answer isn't valid. | ||
| David P. Smith (Dave330gtc)
Junior Member Username: Dave330gtc Post Number: 157 Registered: 3-2002 |
I understand, DES. I just don't agree with the author's opinion. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5928 Registered: 8-2002 |
David, that wasn't a personal comment, i was just paraphrasing what Ray Thursby* wrote in article... *thoroughly enjoyed the read; Ray is a helluva writer, in my opinion. | ||
| David P. Smith (Dave330gtc)
Junior Member Username: Dave330gtc Post Number: 156 Registered: 3-2002 |
I think the 400 Superamerica is one of the most beautiful Ferraris produced. As with any design you need to look at it in the context of when it was designed and what it's competition was at the time. How can you not like the curved fender line and the sloped rear end. The Superamerica was not supposed to be the production Ferrari of the time. It was built for the customer who wanted something special so the comment that it was not popular sales-wise doesn't have much meaning. | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Intermediate Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 1455 Registered: 5-2002 |
I have an old Road&Track magazine from around 1983 or so where they did a review of the 512BB I believe. I believe that's the one that Amerispec did the conversions on because they were never officially distributed by Ferrari in North America. They basically trashed the car about everything from it's price to the seating position. But obviously they don't know much in the long term. I remember reading an article in Car Craft magazine back in 1980 about American muscle cars. Under the subject of Corvettes, they said it was a "specialized field" and that the bargains were "long gone". Good thing that I ignored their advice or I wouldn't have found my bargain Sting Ray over 8 years later. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5916 Registered: 8-2002 |
Yeah, but Jordan, i would drive your F40 even if you weren't my friend... ...um... wait a minute, that came out wrong... i mean, i would be your friend whether or not you had an F40... Yeah... Yeah, that's what i meant. Yeah... | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 1829 Registered: 12-2002 |
Hah! I beg to differ...Think about you driving my F40 before you say those statements again | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5915 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jordan, are you soliciting friendship for a ride in a Ferrari...? You car slut...! | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 1828 Registered: 12-2002 |
Thanks Gary, some of the older cars are just so gorgeous. Id imagine that seeing it person would help! DES, I MIGHT be able to forgive you...somehow...Well, a ride in your Enzo once we get to Italy might do it for me | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5913 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jordan, the only older cars i like are the ones whose appearances directly reflect the racing heritage/history of Ferrari... 250GTO, Dino 206SP and so forth... The Superamerica just doesn't do it for me... Don't worry, i'm sure Wayne has already crossed me off his christmas list, too... | ||
| G. Green (Mr_green)
Junior Member Username: Mr_green Post Number: 204 Registered: 8-2003 |
Jordan, I recently saw a red Superamerica at a car show. It is a beautiful car you have very good taste. | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 1827 Registered: 12-2002 |
DES, how can you not like this? Oh you just lost 10 friend points  | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2449 Registered: 10-2002 |
Tino Opinions come and go but over time things seek their level. When Renior first showed in NY the critic for the NYT's opined "His ability to paint is as bad as his choice of color is poor." That my friend was a buying opportuity. | ||
| Tino (Bboxer)
Member Username: Bboxer Post Number: 332 Registered: 8-2001 |
In the eighties, Gerald Roush and the FML (I've been a subscriber since then) have, IMO, single-handedly and greatly influenced some of the Fcar prices (almost destroying grey market models even those you could not get at the dealerships). That's one publication that definitely influenced prices. Another guy with some influence is Keith Martin and his auction result publication.His comments can really hurt or favor a particular F car (For years, he ridiculed high F prices while branding Chevy Malibu's and "vintage" Corvettes as great collector cars) | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2447 Registered: 10-2002 |
Over time it will. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5905 Registered: 8-2002 |
Mr. G., so basically if it's worth something, it'll go for what it's worth irrespective of what any publication dictates...? i picked up that other magazine yesterday, too; same time as FORZA... You know, the vintage one with your car on the cover... Very cool story, lots of cool information... i remember you telling me about the red/orange circles when we met at WWOC... Very cool to hear it again in a magazine... Where the hell were you when i lived in Westchester some 4 or so years ago...? Mark, the article in FORZA made mention of the NSX but that sales never did very well... i agree that the passion makes one forget negative aspects pretty quickly... Philip, i don't have much trust invested in publications, either, ESPECIALLY with how they get ripped here, but i have to wonder if they have an impact on the general exotic concensus... In any case, the 348 (ts, tb, C, SS- doesn't matter) is gorgeous and i could only suspect its poor sales were the result of an untimely public release... It's a wonderful car... Now the Superameria... Well, that's a different story, altogether... | ||
| Robert W. Garven Jr. (Robertgarven)
Member Username: Robertgarven Post Number: 270 Registered: 2-2002 |
Dammit! The gt4 is the most unloved Ferrari! Are they going to take that from us now! Will the shame never end! I refuse to stand by and let this happen! :-) Rob ps the 348 in the article is owned by Walter Meyer a good friend and member of the FCA SW chapter. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6065 Registered: 12-2000 |
I think magazine articles have an impact on demand, I just don't know how much. After the Forza article on 365 GTC/4's they rose in price $10-25k, but don't know if Forza was riding the trend or the trend was started by Forza. Probably fed off each other. | ||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 534 Registered: 10-2002 |
Not to mention Philip that your 348 is nice as hell. I got to make it up there one day to check that thing out. | ||
| philip (Fanatic1)
Member Username: Fanatic1 Post Number: 371 Registered: 2-2003 |
Des, I'm sorry to say I have never put much faith in Forza.....The 348 Speciale is a very sought after car, with a limited production, and many of hte "348 bugs" worked out....in fact in an article in Ferrari Club of America the 348 SS is the most revered of all the 348 other than the Factory Challange that has never been raced....they put that car at #1, in terms of peoples choice the Speciale at #2, and the Converted Challenge cars at #3. I personally prefer the looks of the 348SS over the "regular 348" anyday....the slats are removed, the rear end track is wider and the subtle changes in the accessories are beautiful. pc | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 718 Registered: 10-2001 |
When the 348 came out I still Remember Road&Track compaired it to Modana- "I'd love to date her but hate to marry her". They said the car was exotic but nervious and full of potential problems. (didn't help that the NSX came out that year and destroyed Ferrar's story that all exotics had to be expensive to live with). The story in Road&Track totally made me feel like a Ferrari was not a car to own. I couldn't belive they would right a story like that! I've never seen a national Magazine be so harsh on Ferrari. Usually they gush and kiss ass for Ferrari. The passion of ferrari makes people forget negative stories pretty fast. Years later, I had a friend with a 348. He drove it every day, and took me to the track and kicked butt. I have to say that the 348 is a great car! But it got bad press when it first came out. Don't be fooled. Makes for good bargin now. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2443 Registered: 10-2002 |
Des There are a lot of factors but in the end it comes down to: If there are more buyers than sellers the price rises. If there are more sellers than buyers the price falls. There is an effect but it is short lived and over time the market is surprizingly efficient. There are $20. bills lying on the sidewalk but they don't stay there for long... | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5904 Registered: 8-2002 |
Do any of the Ferrari-related publications have any effect on the numbers attached to the cars...? i ask this because in September's FORZA, there was an article about two 'unloved' Ferraris, the 400 Superamerica and the 348 (Serie Speciale used for the article)... The article went on to point out some positives of both cars (which are some 30 years apart) and then lamented that neither car was ever popular, sales-wise... There was no real explanation why, just a few guesses. My questions is this: does an article like this have any effect of on the resale of either of these cars...? Will they go up or down...? Are there any other publications out there whose reviews impact sales/resale of Ferraris...? |