| Author | Message | ||
| Bert Kanters (Bert308)
Junior Member Username: Bert308 Post Number: 99 Registered: 11-2002 |
I found a rubber plug in a door from my '80 308GTSi marked "Dino". A worker at the factory grabbed from the wrong basket? | ||
| jeff ryerson (Atheyg)
Member Username: Atheyg Post Number: 413 Registered: 8-2002 |
I agree they should leave Enzo's office exactly the way he left it, including any papers or pens,pencils he had on his desk etc. , and noone should be allowed in there. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5960 Registered: 8-2002 |
Andreas, i don't see anything wrong with it and i certainly understand that this isn't some unusual practice, i'm just a little confused as to why it was done with Enzo... Office work was not his thing, racing was... Although, now hold on a sec... If it were a toss up between preserving his office or preserving a racecar, i could definitely see why they would preserve his office- he'd turn over in his grave if they kept a Ferrari from doing what it was intended... Hmmmm... Maybe that's it... | ||
| Dave (Dave)
Member Username: Dave Post Number: 582 Registered: 4-2001 |
Alan, if I'm not mistaken the engine used in the 308 series cars was based on a Lancia block, not an expanded 6. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1969 Registered: 10-2002 |
BTW DES, it is not unusual to preserve one's office. The Russians did the same thing with Gagarin's office (first human in space) and it is considered good luck to visit the place before going into space. I believe a replica of Enzo's office is at the Ferrari Galleria in Maranello on permanent display. I took a picture of it, but don't have it here right now. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5958 Registered: 8-2002 |
Awesome...! i've seen that photo before (sans the sigs)... Very cool, thanks... | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1968 Registered: 10-2002 |
James, that's the picture I got in Maranello for you. If you send me your address in an email I can send you the poster. I figured your car would be one of them. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2467 Registered: 10-2002 |
Des The Photo on Mr. Ferrari's wall.  | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
Member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 646 Registered: 2-2002 |
James, Check with Ken at Ferrariliterature. The picture is from his site and he might have a higher resolution file. Barry | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2463 Registered: 10-2002 |
As Bob said: "You can look at it that way..." | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5955 Registered: 8-2002 |
You're right, i don't... He lives on in the cars, the history, the books, the videos, the pictures, the words, the memories, etc... Preserving his office makes no sense to me... | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2462 Registered: 10-2002 |
Des my friend that's something you either understand or you don't. I plan to perserve Wayne's... | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5954 Registered: 8-2002 |
Awesome, i can't wait to see it... They preserved his office...? Why...? | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2460 Registered: 10-2002 |
Des Mr Ferrari's office, as it should, remains as it was on the day he died. I think from your enlargement that that's Vaccarella driving a 512S at the 1970 Targa Florio (He and Giunti finished 3rd) On the opposite wall of Mr. Ferrrai's office is a pic of my car and it's sister's crossing the line in formation at Daytona in 67. (I'll post a copy tomorrow.) | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5950 Registered: 8-2002 |
JG, the more i enlarge it, the blurrier it gets... Maybe someone with something more sophisticated that Paint can enlarge and enhance the picture so as to more clearly show the detail...? MarkPDX...? Anyone...? Bueller...?  | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5947 Registered: 8-2002 |
Then the big question is, where's the original photograph that's posted below and the even bigger question is where's the painting hanging behind Enzo in the picture... Would be pretty cool to unite the picture with the current owner of the car... That's gotta fetch some serious coin... | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2459 Registered: 10-2002 |
Des in various races it ran different #'s including 3. That's not Daytona I think it's the Targa Floria. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5945 Registered: 8-2002 |
Mr. G., i think that's a #3 on the front, not a #23... Hard to tell either way, though... | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2456 Registered: 10-2002 |
Barry do you have a closer shot of the painting behind Mr. Ferrari? I believe that's my car. | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
Member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 644 Registered: 2-2002 |
 Oy! Ich farschtein nischt di plukte! | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 2487 Registered: 6-2001 |
I've seen this argument forever. They (the Dinos) were built by Ferrari, named after his dead son. Ther're Ferraris. Period. Art | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6073 Registered: 12-2000 |
Well, that's correct Frank, but "legal division of Fiat"? That's so not important, but it's one trip for you. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2872 Registered: 9-2001 |
Rob, I can say that all of the Fiats badged as a Ferrari look, drive, smell and drive like a Ferrari, a legal division of Fiat. | ||
| Alan Leach (Speedy308)
Junior Member Username: Speedy308 Post Number: 57 Registered: 12-2002 |
At the shop here we have two gt4s. One is unmolested and bears only the Dino script badge on the hood. Another is equipped with the dealer retrofit which added the Ferrari Rectangle badge surface mounted, no recess, in addition to the recessed Dino on the front, and a Cavillino Rampante horse emblem to the rear valance beside the 308GT4 script badge. I think the factory learned a marketing lesson on that and the 308GTB was introduced with the rectangle on the front from the start! The racing V6 engines were always referred to as Dino's after his untimely death. The V8 line inherited the designation as it was based upon the same block architecture, expanded by two cylinders. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6070 Registered: 12-2000 |
206, 246, and GT4 look like a Ferrari, smell like a Ferrari, sound like a Ferrari, drive like a Ferrari, respected as a Ferrari by 99% of everyone. How many FIATs can you say that about? The Ferrari is in it's soul, not the shallow marketing business world of black and white. One who drags his feet will more often trip. | ||
| Dom Vitarella (Dom)
Member Username: Dom Post Number: 422 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ohhhh, I love the Ferrari vs. Dino debate  It seems like we've gone over this a thousand times before. The GT4's were badged as dino's up until sometime in 1976, when the series 2 cars were introduced. The series 2 cars were badged as ferrari's. My car is a 1975 series 1. There was a service bulletin from Ferrari that came out in 1976 calling for an update in the badging, air con, bumpers, etc. The update specs are located at: http://members.tripod.com/~ferrari308gt4/updates.html My car has had these updates done, presumably by the dealer. Interestingly, on my car, even the dino 308gt4 script on the trunklid was replaced by a ferrari emblem (not sure by whom). The cam covers on my engine are marked Ferrari, not dino. I believe on the 246's, they were marked Dino. I don't know if they were changed at some point, or if they are original. You can search the archives for threads where people posted photos of ferrari and dino badging on these cars. So if you have an early gt4, do you re-badge it as a dino or leave as is? I am electing to leave it as is for now. Like ferrari, dino badges are also horribly overpriced. By the time I replace all of the badges on my car, I will have spent over $1000. Additionally, originally the dino badge on the nose was a recessed badge, so I'd have to pay for the body work to replace that particular badge. When you consider that GT4's are barely worth $20,000, it's just not worth it. In the end, Dino or Ferrari, it's just a car. But a fun one. Dom | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2871 Registered: 9-2001 |
Ken, I think you're correct. Dino was a separate Ferrari model line just like Ferrari is a separate Fiat model line. | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member Username: Doody Post Number: 1625 Registered: 11-2001 |
I know if I had one... but then you'd feel all icky and dirty, frank doody. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Intermediate Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 1145 Registered: 10-2001 |
I have magazines from 1972 that call the 246 a Ferrari while acknowledging it doesn't say "Ferrari" on it. At the time, no one thought of 'Dino' as anything other than a Ferrari name. | ||
| S. Brent Cardani (Brentc)
New member Username: Brentc Post Number: 16 Registered: 8-2003 |
Frank, I agree. If it was good enough for Enzo, it's good enough for me. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2870 Registered: 9-2001 |
It is my understanding that FNA and Ferrari dealers replaced the Dino badges with Ferrari badges after FNA complained to Ferrari Spa that they couldn't sell the things badged as a Dino. I know if I had one I would want it badged as a Dino and not as a Ferrari. | ||
| S. Brent Cardani (Brentc)
New member Username: Brentc Post Number: 15 Registered: 8-2003 |
My understanding is that the last year of production the factory did an about-face and put Ferrari badges on the 308gt4, which they hadn't up until that point. I read that in a book, but can't vouch for the veracity of it. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2868 Registered: 9-2001 |
I have never said that the 308GTS and 308GTB didn't come with a Ferrari badge on it. I did say that the 308GT4 came from the factory with a Dino badge on it, which it did. But then again, my Fiat Boxer came with a Ferrari badge on it too. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2454 Registered: 10-2002 |
Now that Enzo has spoken they will have to be rebadged as Ferrari's if one hopes to score at the better concours. | ||
| Michael C. James (Mjames)
Junior Member Username: Mjames Post Number: 102 Registered: 6-2003 |
Early 308 GT/4s were badged Dinos...not Ferrari...as were 246s. | ||
| John Do'h (Combover)
New member Username: Combover Post Number: 40 Registered: 8-2003 |
WHY WOULD A 308 NOT BE A FERRARI? DOESN'T IT SAY "FERRARI" ON IT? | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1204 Registered: 9-2002 |
You kids... --Dan | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2452 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ross That kind of ends it right there. (PERIOD) | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Intermediate Member Username: Ross Post Number: 1305 Registered: 3-2002 |
in the last issue of f1 magazine, there is an article about the experiences of 17 people's first encounter w/ enzo himself. the quote from paolo martinelli was as follows: 'in 1978 we had been testing a prototype of the 208 turbo when mr ferrari walked into the fiorano garage. i told him we were still a bit concerned about the standing start. 'whats the weight?' he asked. 'about 1240kg', i replied. ' really', he said. 'you tell bellei (tech director) that a FERRARI of 2000cc cannot weigh more than 1200kg'. so there you have it frank, according to martinelli, enzo called the 208 (308 body style) a ferrari, not a dino. of course martinelli's memory could be failing but just thought that would be a good one for you to know about. |