| Author | Message | ||
| David R. (Rodsky)
Junior Member Username: Rodsky Post Number: 235 Registered: 3-2003 |
Taek - >>I disagree with this comment. For one, the interior is far superior to any of the other uber luxury cruisers I've seen/driven (save the Maybach, which I haven't gotten a good look at). The seats are extremely cosseting, the floormats feel like you're stepping on Snuggles, the trim pieces are very nice, and even the wood is special. << This is precisely why I dont think a BGT should be compared to a 550/575. They are really in two different classes. Just because a Mercedes has 500HP or a Bentley has 500HP and can go 0-60 in 4 seconds, why do we start comparing them to a 550 or a 360 or a Murcielago for that matter. I know the Bentley has GT in its name but it aint a Ferrari 550/575. That is no slam on it, there are certain things it is far better than a 550 e.g. luxury, interior, wood, AWD, smooth ride. If that's what you are looking for - its great. I personally would like a nice unterior in my 550 but it is far down the list of reasons I would buy it. Dont even mention leg room. Whereas, most people who buy a Bentley or a Mercedes, the interior has to be close to the top of the list of reasons they did. Why else would the manufacturers pour their efforts into creating these uber luxury interiors. | ||
| Dr. J C928 (Attitude928)
Junior Member Username: Attitude928 Post Number: 78 Registered: 11-2002 |
Mercedes wasn't the only one with reliability issues. VW had them as well: 3.91 average problems per vehicle. However, a Buick (1.79 problems/vehicle) still doesn't intrigue me. Just have to wait for those 456, 550 & 355 prices to keep falling. | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1329 Registered: 9-2002 |
The sort of metallic grey (with green hints) exterior and a medium-dark tan interior with wood grain trim? I agree, compared to most 2+2s, it is definetly useable (and you're right, it's not fair to say CL) - much more so than any fo the jags, porsche (hah!), etc. The engine configuration is quite cool. 'W' is not what I thought. THeir idea of W12 is very different from 3 band of 4 or 4 banks of 3. --Dan | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 2065 Registered: 11-2002 |
Dan, Notice I said the car had a lot more room that "I thought". It's not a lot by any means. I'm not a tall guy but when I sat there the fit was snug. A LOT more room than the Porsches for sure. The seat was not all the way forward and it was not hitting my knees. Keep in mind I'm not comparing to Benz's CL class. Most of the other cars like the CGT only have two seat. This is kind of like a real useable 2+2. Given how there's only one car out there I think it was the exact same car. Cheers | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1324 Registered: 9-2002 |
Taek, Are we talking abotu the same CGT? Faisal and I saw it, and I swear that thing had NO rear room. THe carpets were too high (your shoes got squished), and even moving the seat up forward to a less-than-desirable position for someone of my height (5'10 on a good day), there was virtually no rear legroom. I agree the rear buckets are nice - when the front seat is all the way forward. --Dan PS: THis was my major complaint about the car. Rich and I had a discussion about it, and other cars compared were the porsche 993/996 (which, as you've seen, has ZERO rear space...so if it's in that company...) | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 2062 Registered: 11-2002 |
Sunny, >>quantity goes to Bentley<< I think quality also goes to Bentley as well. Some of these parts you'd think are fluff even have serial numbers. This is an extremely well put together (by artisans) car. The Benz is mechanical in it's percision and not quite as warm. As for the CGT, I've seen it up close. I've sat in it, pushed buttons, looked under the hood etc. One of the things that really impressed me about the car was the rear room. A lot more than I thought it would have. Kind of regretting giving up my spot in line for one. Cheers | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 857 Registered: 2-2003 |
Taek, I think it comes down to style and design, not quality of materials, which we could talk about offline (lambswool, leather qualities and quantities - quantity goes to Bentley - and characteristics of wood, 16+ way adjustables with bolsters, etc). Not enough of a difference to support x2 the price tab, at the values for early 90's Turbo R's can net a practically new 2000 Super V8. I'd like to try out an S55 someday. The design of the Maybach interior was impressive, but sitting in front and back, the quality of the leather and the finish to the wood wasn't particularly impressive, but there were several choices I didn't get to see. Extremely comfortable nonetheless. A car to be driven in. The lower you go in the food chain, they become more driver's cars (at least I think so). Have you seen a CGT up close or driven one yet? I'm dying to hear some first impressions, seat time vs seat time in a 550/575. Sunny | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 2061 Registered: 11-2002 |
Sunny, >>If you like the style and the Bentley badge and thats all that matters, go for it. Thats all your getting compared to the competition.<< I disagree with this comment. For one, the interior is far superior to any of the other uber luxury cruisers I've seen/driven (save the Maybach, which I haven't gotten a good look at). The seats are extremely cosseting, the floormats feel like you're stepping on Snuggles, the trim pieces are very nice, and even the wood is special. Cheers | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 855 Registered: 2-2003 |
Regarding the Turbo comment from the other thread, "If you are looking for a fast, comfortable, reliable cruiser - what about a Mercedes S55 AMG?", Uhh, just a wee bit price difference here, especially for what you get out of the Bentley. If you like the style and the Bentley badge and thats all that matters, go for it. Thats all your getting compared to the competition. All of them have something to beat the Turbo R, cheaper, faster, more reliable, and more luxurious. Though it may ONLY be a Mercedes or a Jaguar. The CGT on the other hand is built more with performance in mind, but its still after all, a compromise car. Less of a compromise than the 550 or 575, no? All cars have problems. Now that is out of the way, be it a $10k Kia or a $250k luxury or super car, as long as you understand that, don't buy it if you don't want to maintain it. Why repaint your house, fix the roof, etc? It should be perfect, right? What would you pay for the perfect house that never needs fixing or the perfect car? Haha! Sunny | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 2060 Registered: 11-2002 |
David, >>Taek - Exactly. I dont know of any expensive cars that are cheap to maintain.<< I think the point is more along lines of the regularity in which you have to dump money into the cars. Cheers | ||
| David R. (Rodsky)
Junior Member Username: Rodsky Post Number: 234 Registered: 3-2003 |
Taek - Exactly. I dont know of any expensive cars that are cheap to maintain. Tom - Excellent point IMHO. That's why I suggested a Mercedes S55 as an alternative to the Bentley - or at least a car that is more closely aligned with the Bentley vs. a 550/575. | ||
| Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Member Username: Tbakowsky Post Number: 563 Registered: 9-2002 |
I cannot beleive you guys are comparing a Bently to a Ferrari. These cars are so different in purpose that you cannot possiably compare the two. How can you even begin to compare track performance between these two cars? The Bently is for taking out to the fancy resturant wearing a tux and drinking wine with one pinky finger in the air!! The Bently was never designed to be a track car at all!! It's a high speed ultra luxury GT thats it!! The Ferrari is a car that is more suited to high speed handeling and track duties just by the nature of it's design. It's supposed to be able to do this kind of thing because it is a FERRARI!! This is why people buy Ferrari's. As far as reliability goes...we'll just have to wait and see. I have worked on a few RR and Bently...and to put it mildly....from a mechanics perspective...JUNK!!! I now refuse to even check the oil in one. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 2059 Registered: 11-2002 |
If it means anything... There are three Bentleys (00 and newer) and one (91?) in my family (none owned by me, unfortunately) and they have been relatively problem free. Yes, when you fix things, it can get pricey, but we are dealing with cars in the upper MSRP ranges here guys. Ferraris and Lamborghinis ain't exactly "el-cheapo" to fix... Cheers | ||
| David R. (Rodsky)
Junior Member Username: Rodsky Post Number: 232 Registered: 3-2003 |
Henryk. - I think FNA is obligated to fix the 575 during the warranty period. Thereafter, it is certainky a cra!p shoot - depending on what breaks. However, I think you are in the same boat with the Bentley. No one knows what the quality will be like on the Bentley GT vs. a 575 after both warranty periods have expired - or what it will cost to maintain one vs. the other. For $120K - $130K or so, you could get a 98-99 550 and have $20-30K in reserve for repairs. Plus you dont have to be on a wait list. My plan will be to buy the one that I enjoy driving the most or the one that suits my needs the best. I am not quite ready for a luxo-cruiser just yet(Mercedes, Bentley, Jaguar etc.). A 550/575 is a great GT mix. | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Intermediate Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 1153 Registered: 8-2001 |
David R: While we all seem to agree that Ferrari needs to address the quality issues in it's cars.....well, that obviously would ALSO have to apply to the 575, wouldn't you agree? I feel that quality issues will arise, and that FNA would not fix some of them........I don't trust FNA.....at this time. Even if I got the Bentley, I would keep my older Ferraris. | ||
| L. (Testaroja)
Junior Member Username: Testaroja Post Number: 138 Registered: 5-2003 |
Henryk I rather drive my TR over a 550 in this or any other life. No arguments the 550 for me its just another car, could be a supra turbo, mercedes, bmw, or a corvette in its looks alone. It would be perfect as a viper replacement, since the viper its a very nasty car as long as looks and materials. | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1313 Registered: 9-2002 |
David, Compare an Arnage to an S55 - one is sublime and thrilling, one is so flawlessly sedate, you don't need valium. --Dan | ||
| David R. (Rodsky)
Junior Member Username: Rodsky Post Number: 230 Registered: 3-2003 |
We have no idea what the maintenance costs or reliability will be like on the Bentley. Henry - I think you said that you assume the Bentley will be reliable as it is a new car and it is made by VW. The same could be said about a 575 - in other words its a new car and covered by a warranty. After that period of time, who knows. You are comparing a new car to a used/older car. I do agree with you that Ferrari should improve build quality though. For me though, I could not see buying a Bentley if I could get a Ferrari. Apples and Oranges to me - obviously a personal preference. I think I read somewhere in OT that someone recommended that an individual stay away from a Bentley Turbo as its maintenance costs will make a Ferrari's look like childs play. If you are looking for a fast, comfortable, reliable cruiser - what about a Mercedes S55 AMG? | ||
| Ze Shark (Ze_shark)
New member Username: Ze_shark Post Number: 20 Registered: 7-2003 |
Could not agree more with Henryk that Ferraris have to become better cars when it comes to design and build quality. If we, passionate customers and owners, do not have the honesty to channel that feedback to our dealers and the factory, things won't change. Old other considerations about a Conti GT aside, I can understand somebody getting tired of Ferrari and going for german engineering. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1324 Registered: 1-2002 |
mark: >>But us guys on Ferrari chat get a bit out-of-touch with the general public.<< I think you've got this backwards. The general public has no concept of the why's and how's of justifying 100k + on a "vehicle." Conversations like these don't happen at the barber shop, and my initial comments re: supercar "balance" were meant to be from a driving (visceral) perspective, and not meant to open up a debat on the philogenic deliniations of car subtypes. Point was: that , these cars, are regarded as the pinnicales of automotive engineering , and that the apex of that concept is the realization of balance in driving, in use and in performance, but that the recent trend has been to jack up hp and promote bench racing, whie allowing the driver to distract himself from the what should be the pre-emminent focus , namely : a perfectly balanced drivers car bar none. -hubert | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Intermediate Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 1148 Registered: 8-2001 |
Taek: You are so right!!!!! This was never a performance comparison between a CGT and a 550....both are more than adequate, for my needs. The issue was spending $150K on a luxury cruising car, and expecting it to be basically maintanence free for the most part. The luxury, and lines, of the CGT caught my eye, as well as the AWD. The 575, at over $200K, is beyond what I want to spend......however, I feel that it has similar pitfalls as the 550, quality wise. The TR, and Boxer, are wonderful cars, and I plan on keeping them........however, BOTH cars together did not cost $150K. While I can accept the idiosyncrasies of the Boxer and TR, I WILL NOT accept them on a $150K car, be it a 550, 360, or whatever!!!!!! | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 2039 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>THey use 12 different hides of leather for that car.<< Yep. Bentley interiors put just about ANY car to shame. I don't think this was ever a comparison between the CGT and the 550. I think it has more to do with a Ferrari owner who got frustrated to the point that they chose a different marque. Nothing wrong with that. Most people don't have the sack to post their displeasure and Henry voted with his wallet. Cheers | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1263 Registered: 9-2002 |
So silly of me...back to my book.... --Dan R: You know it's 4.15, right? | ||
| Rosso (Redhead)
Member Username: Redhead Post Number: 374 Registered: 12-2001 |
Dan...at this late of an hour...WHY must you go thinking again???  | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1259 Registered: 9-2002 |
$1.02?? I think we got ripped off! --Dan | ||
| Rosso (Redhead)
Member Username: Redhead Post Number: 372 Registered: 12-2001 |
Martin-- mate what time is it out there...for the love of god, its 153 pst and your still up.. BUT..about the leather issue on the CGT... THey use 12 different hides of leather for that car. This car is very impressive, and sitting in it the seat bolsters are subtle, but there. I think that you will be impressed. This is from a "kid" that has been reared on Ferrari, bleeds 322ds and is more passionate about ferrari then anything. My $1.02.... | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5883 Registered: 5-2001 |
as for what we put up with.... buy a Corvette! It has a plastic dash, vinyl seats, ragged carpet and if you look around you see phillips screwheads in the A-pilar holding these plastic pieces. Yep, they don't shrink. Happy motoring! I rather sit on the finest leather and understand that it requires more care. The dash shrinkage is something that can easily be avoided if people would feed their leather properly. Bolster wear the same way. Of course the Bentley does not have a bolster to support your corner G-forces so yes, that will not wear. Thinking about it: What a useless discussion! | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5882 Registered: 5-2001 |
I feel compelled to give comment but can not see the monitor from shaking my head! Bentley vs Maranello now I have heard it all! | ||
| Jeff (Jeff_m)
Junior Member Username: Jeff_m Post Number: 214 Registered: 9-2002 |
One of the other things that gets me is that more often than not it is accepted that even in a 7k mile car that the dash may be pulling up and the seat bolster wearing away as well as plastic melting. If this happened in anything that cost 40k people would be pissed but since its a Ferrari, it is generally understood as the norm. Even in 4sale ads I see "the usual dash shrinkage" or "driver seat bolster warn". Now that all these new choices are coming out, lets hope that poor build quality will be a thing of the past. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 736 Registered: 10-2001 |
Okay you guys! Price, # built, looks, speed... 4 or more things (plus common sense) come into play. You need 3 out of the 4 Vette: Sportscar Sportscar Viper: Exotic F355: Exotic Enzo: Supercar 911: Exotic Boxter: Sportscar 959: Supercar NSX: Exotic Supra: Sportscar Baby Lambo: Exotic Lambo: Supercar/Exotic Esprit: Exotic F1: Supercar Ford GT: Exotic MR2: sportscar 550: Exotic The only point of this list, was to get guys to stop doing the "Enzo beats Ford GT" come-backs. Know you car classes, and do your arm chair racing with-in your class. | ||
| Andrew (Mrrou)
Member Username: Mrrou Post Number: 517 Registered: 3-2002 |
Mark, the Toyota MR2 Spyder is mid-engine..is this car exotic? if so a 25k exotic car sounds good to me! andrew | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 735 Registered: 10-2001 |
Hubert- I was trying to be short and fast with my words. You know what I mean. We sometimes forget that the vette is a dream car for most in America. A 911 is exotic because its rear engine...and a few other things. But us guys on Ferrari chat get a bit out-of-touch with the general public. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1323 Registered: 1-2002 |
mark: the 911 is not an exotic (it's a high volume sports car), and the F1 (by your def.) is an exotic (i.e., low build number) | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 2028 Registered: 11-2002 |
Rich, That's kick ass! I gave up an early allocation. I almost changed my mind and when I called a big Bentley dealer they told me the wait was about a year (this was a few months ago). Cheers | ||
| Rosso (Redhead)
Member Username: Redhead Post Number: 368 Registered: 12-2001 |
Nick- the waiting period is right now about 1.5 years out. That being said, it differs dealer to dealer. Some have a samll inital allocation, while others have a huge allocation. Some dealers are >2 years whilst others are ~1 year. So, depending on your market area, will depend on the car that you order. BTW-Teak and Ben, after all the T T T banter, I got a Red Label for sunday. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 734 Registered: 10-2001 |
There are actually 3 classs. This is why folks have problems- sportscar, exotic(shape or number made), supercar Vette: Sportscar Sportscar Viper: Exotic F355: Exotic Enzo: Supercar 911: Exotic Boxter: Sportscar 959: Supercar NSX: Exotic Supra: Sportscar Baby Lambo: Exotic Lambo: Supercar/Exotic Esprit: Exotic F1: Supercar Ford GT: Exotic | ||
| Nick Berry (Nickb)
Junior Member Username: Nickb Post Number: 133 Registered: 8-2002 |
Reliability issues surrounding Ferrari have puzzled me. There is no doubt they are well founded. When one considers the lead time between model changeovers and their racing program why do they have reliabilty problems? One can argue it is a small company with little R&D but that cannot hold water because of their racing program. Or you can argue not enough testing of models(unlike Porsche)yet they only have 4 models and substantial time between model introduction. Extensive testing should not be a problem. That said I am first in line to buy one.  I guess they need a new quality control director.  BTW I understand the wait list for the Bently GT is longer than the one for the 360 Spider. Good lucky in finding one. | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Intermediate Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 1012 Registered: 4-2002 |
"the fundamental concept of a "supercar" is NOT power, it's BALANCE!" I hate to disagree, but the fundamental concept of a SPORTS car is balance, and The difference between a sportscar and a supercar is that the driver/passenger have to make accomodations to the supercar that are not required in the sportscar. See: Lambo Countash. For examples: Vette: Sportscar Viper: Supercar F355: Sportscar Enzo: Supercar 911: Sportscar 959: Supercar "Honda's genius was in producing a car that was as usable as it was razor sharp" There is absolutely no doubt that the NSX is an excellent example of a sportscar with day to day drivability, weekend to weekend trackability. There is also little doubt that every NSX owner wants more power. There is little doubt that the NSX caused Ferrari to convert the F348 into the F355 to catchup. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 2025 Registered: 11-2002 |
Rich, I have recently been getting an insane amount of junkmail so if I have received the email I haven't seen it yet...sorry. Dan has talked me into going with my lowly ride. This of course means that if you show up with one of my favorite marques you'll have to give me a drive or a ride. I know nobody rides free so gas it is, since ass and grass are out of the question! In all seriousness, I definitely want to go to thank some of you personally for your kind words and support recently when things got a little ugly for me.  Cheers | ||
| Rosso (Redhead)
Member Username: Redhead Post Number: 367 Registered: 12-2001 |
Right again Taek..in the meantime....T.T T. Did you get my last email btw? Taek? If not, hope to see you way to early and way to bright. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 2021 Registered: 11-2002 |
You fooools!! Dan, Rich, Continental dammit! Cheers | ||
| Rosso (Redhead)
Member Username: Redhead Post Number: 366 Registered: 12-2001 |
Let me do some leg work and I will find out. R | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1234 Registered: 9-2002 |
For SUNDAY?!?! Ok, here's the deal. I drive down, and you can drive the 550 up, I'll take the Big B! THen you can drive the big B down... seriously, if I say I wanna go, think they'll go for it, or will that lessen our chances? Oh creamy woofle... --Dan PS: Yes...T. T T T T T T T T T!!! | ||
| Rosso (Redhead)
Member Username: Redhead Post Number: 365 Registered: 12-2001 |
NO...Dan...No Red Label....T T T T T T T .you want a T.....I am trying to get one for sunday..but not looking good..FYI.. R | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1233 Registered: 9-2002 |
Rich, Aesthetically, I dig the front / profile. THe taillights and interior bother me a little. No one questions the power. And for the same money - Arnage Red Label any day! You know that!!! --Dan | ||
| Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
Member Username: Ralessi Post Number: 290 Registered: 5-2002 |
Does this matter? Is Ferrari's intent to make a rally car? If they wanted to make an AWD model, they surely could, and it would be great. But instead they make cars that focus on the track. It has been said that on a track, RWD is preferred over AWD. | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Intermediate Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 1147 Registered: 8-2001 |
BobD: A major is FAR from "basic service". I can easily put up with removing an engine......simple, logical, and CAN be done. Checking things with a computer, that requires "unobtainable" progrrams is NOT simple, very illogical, and is ONLY present so that you have to take it back to the dealer......and get RIPPED-OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tom RM: I agree 100%. | ||
| Tom RM (Tgitom)
Junior Member Username: Tgitom Post Number: 164 Registered: 8-2002 |
"A Ferrari would not be a Ferrari without the small problems," Thats just ridicoulous and the kind of talk that ferrari's get away with.... | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 1494 Registered: 3-2001 |
>>> I will stick with the "old" Ferraris.......at least I don't have to use a computer to adjust the clutch........PURE stupidity, IMO. <<< Henry, doesn't your existing "old" Ferrari require the engine be removed for basic servicing? | ||
| zak dhabalia (Dhabaz)
New member Username: Dhabaz Post Number: 8 Registered: 7-2003 |
I have to take major issue with pete saying older ferrari are better built. How old?..some of the 70s car and some 80s car are awfully built compared to something like 550. there is just no comparison. Have you ever been in a 550? I have a 99 model and its solid as a rock for the most part. nothing rattles everything is chunky and tight and the overall finish is just superb. Comments like that are just way off the mark nostalgia zak | ||
| Rosso (Redhead)
Member Username: Redhead Post Number: 362 Registered: 12-2001 |
oopps..I have been to busy on the Bikini thread to see this one... Ok..first things first. Dan360...The Tops on the Boxster and 360s are completely different. They are made by the same German company, but the Porsche is very easy system with 2 cables running the whole thing. I have had to fix one on a Boxster I borrowed last year while my car was in the shop. I have also seen first hand a 360 Spider top of of a car, and completely torn down. Not at all the same creature, or even close. Now back on topic...... The Continental GT. (CGT) Dan, a little surprised by your comments. I thought you had liked it. But, no big deal. The CGT is not your typical Bentley. It is a using new tech. throughout and like some have said, this is a VW car. If it was still Bentley/RR, the car would be out in market now. With the backing of VW/Audi, they can hold the car back longer to get more testing done and to redesign nay issues they have had. I have spent a lot of time in.on.and around a CGT, and at first the shape did not do it for me, but like anything, it grew on me. As far as susp and ride. Do not expect this car to ride like an Arnage. This will ride more along the Vanquish lines. I have talked to the technician that follows the US car around to all the car shows, and he said it is a free solid feeling car. Power wise, 550bhp, AWD. How many 550's do you see in the snow at speed? First press pictures of this car were in the snow, at speed. Talked to one of the drivers that was there. He relayed to me that is was just like driving an Audi AWD. So yet another system that has been proved. I think this car will change the way people think about Bentleys. I have had the opportunity to drive a lot of different cars, and the Arnage T is hands down one of my favorites. THe power is there, you can throw the car into a corner, and power out. It is not a Ferrari. We all know that, but it is a car amongst itself, and no other car company will be able to compete on either level with them. With the Arnage T and R and with the CGT. These are just MHO, but,in November, Bentley is sending us to a one day driving school with the CGT, so, after that I will have more then a lot of hearsay, i will have seat time, and then can relay more to you. In the mean time...I do have 1:43 scale models of the car in stock....anyone???? | ||
| Robert W. Garven Jr. (Robertgarven)
Member Username: Robertgarven Post Number: 275 Registered: 2-2002 |
I think all you guys are sort of missing the point. A Ferrari would not be a Ferrari without the small problems, it is like a beautiful mistress that needs constant attention. When they finally make a Ferrari without problems it will be a sad day, and what will we talk about. We will be like the maytag repair man :-) I also wish I had the means to get a new Ferrari but even if I did I would probably buy another vintage one. I think you have all read the link about the R&T staffer who bought a new lusso and all the troubles he had, but he still loved the car. To me Ferrari is passion and nothing else even comes close, well maybe a Muira SV! Respectfully, Rob who will never buy another car without carbs! | ||
| neal (95spiderneal)
Junior Member Username: 95spiderneal Post Number: 232 Registered: 3-2002 |
choice of bently or 575 comes down to what do you want. to me both are cruiser type cars for looks, status, comfort, much more than track, or performance. imho bently has comfort while others can be debated. as far as reliability vw should be big help but main issue is dealer service. fna dealers are for most part horrible with attitude that you should be lucky they'd consider servicing your car. think bently will be similar? think lexus levels customer care. bottom line gt over 575 for me | ||
| Alex Papas (Alexpapas)
Junior Member Username: Alexpapas Post Number: 55 Registered: 2-2003 |
I guess everyone has a story. Here's mine. The new 575M - flawless so far. Everything works and the car is extremely well finished. Just love it! My 2001 360 - small issues. Freon leaks (fixed immed under warranty with a smile and an apology that the problem occured). Otherwise just wonderful - and they both are driven freequently (3 -4 times per week) My MB S55 AMG - best car I have ever owned, bar none. Faster than everything else I have, comfortable, unbelievable wonderful long distance tourer. Everyone should own a car this great at least once in their life! Older cars are beautiful but a pain in the ass to maintain. My 73 Dino is so pretty, but it's hard to start, eats pints of oil each time it's driven and leaks everything all over my epoxy floors. But like other beautiful things it gets to stay despite the niggles. The new Bentley looks good, but it's really a fancy expensive rebodied Audi built in Britain. I don't know if I want to take that kind of risk. The Phaeton is probably a better bet (German techies!) | ||
| wayne skiles (Bad_tt)
New member Username: Bad_tt Post Number: 49 Registered: 8-2002 |
have to agree with Frank the my last VIPER was virtually bullet-proof. I put 73000 miles on a 96 GTS but more importantly it was highly modified and i used 123 15# bottles of nitrous through a motor whose bottom end was stock. NEVER A PROBLEM!!! I've owned a half a dozen Ferraris and none of them have that degree of durability. But here I am a waiter For 360 CS go figure!!!!! | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1606 Registered: 12-2001 |
I am a little puzzled by this thread because it assumes reliability problems with the 550 but cites few if any examples, other than Dave's problem with motormounts that was covered by FNA, even after the warranty technically expired. Granted, the paddle shifters in the 360 seem to be problematic, but apart from that, and some known gremlins with the 550 that are readily fixable (and are for the most part covered by the manufacturer anyway, eg wheels), this thread is premised an illusion of unreliability that, in my ownership experience, is unfounded. (I owned 2 550's, a coupe and a barchetta, and the latter was flawless. The coupe needed fettling from sitting, as a used car, before i bought it, but that was to be expected). I'm not saying ferrari is the best, or that you shouldn't buy other cars if they appeal, but the premise here seems false. Also, the notion that because the car is expensive it should not have any issues is completely contrary to reality; as you know, the basic Honda, Toyata is the standard for a reliable appliance. Don't confuse that with expensive exotic toys. | ||
| pete (Pete_peter)
Junior Member Username: Pete_peter Post Number: 69 Registered: 12-2002 |
older Ferrari's are better built, slower, but better built. | ||
| Greg (Teflon)
Junior Member Username: Teflon Post Number: 59 Registered: 5-2003 |
Exotic does not automatically mean supercar. Hubert, I have driven an NSX. Thank you for your assumption. Greg A | ||
| philip (Fanatic1)
Member Username: Fanatic1 Post Number: 383 Registered: 2-2003 |
hmmmmmm...hubert had one of the most well thought out points......regardless of which car anyone favors.........his point is very valid | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1321 Registered: 1-2002 |
>>The NSX performed admirably, but it was by no means a "supercar". It has no torque and is a little low on hp. I have yet to see a high performance, high reliability car. There is a fine line there. Granted, Ferrari has much room for improvement in reliability, but it is quite difficult to truly have both.<< Okay, look, you've never driven an nsx. You can call it dated, you can call it underpowered, but you don't poesses the wherewithal to discount it as one of the greatest cars built (chassis tuned by Senna, and it had THREE noted major QA problems in its entire production year, and only in the 1st production year.) The NSX does with a stilleto , what other "supercars" need to accomplish with an army boot. The car is about balance, finesse and tact. I promised myself that I wouldn't reply here, but it's really starting to annoy me that all everyone ever talks about is HP and TQ to valiadate a cars "worthiness." It's absurd, the fundamental concept of a "supercar" is NOT power, it's BALANCE!!! And that's achieved with forethought and engineering, but Honda's genius was in producing a car that was as usable as it was razor sharp; they accomplished this in putting balance (of the overall concept) before the spec sheet bench racing appeasement policy. Gordan Murray had the same principle in mind, but he was out to break records (which he did) but for that he needed a big motor. The F1 has got great balance, but it's a litte overpowered. Point is : acheieving balance should be the focal point in approaching the build of a supercar... since perfect balance (in car terms) begins to approach perfection. | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1229 Registered: 9-2002 |
Mark, I know of a few F1s that have had more trouble than one might care to admit. There's a reason for the shop in LA... --Dan | ||
| Tom RM (Tgitom)
Junior Member Username: Tgitom Post Number: 161 Registered: 8-2002 |
About reliability, I think Taek again says it best! And I could almost gaurantee that with VW behind bentley now that there first new car will be much more reliable than any current ferrari at this time. There not dumb they know it has to perform and be a quality product! When you pay such a hight dollar for a car, my word you want it to be able to function so you can actually use it! instead of being in the shop for months and why everyone thinks thats ok or normal just cause its a ferrari? I dont get that. Still awesome cars but jeez i see that as an issue as well for any new comer buying a ferrari or other exotic. So far looking good!......... http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?cat_code=coverstory&loc_code=index&content_code=05072792 | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 728 Registered: 10-2001 |
The NSX performed admirably, but it was by no means a "supercar". Greg- it was every bit an exotic as Ferrari was in 1991. 348/NSX was in every magazine standing side by side, except the NSX was 20 years ahead in Quality. Ferrai builds "supercars" in such low numbers that you can't get quality stats on an Enzo. LOL I think they do that on purpose. At least we will get to see the quality of the tuned-down Enzo engine when it goes in the 460 replacement car. I hope it goes well. Then at least we will see some fun from the ENZO for the rest of us. The man who started this thread was talking about Ferrari's exotics/road cars. That why I brought up the NSX. When people talk about "supercars" then we bring up the F1. I wonder what the reliablity has been on that car? Better then F50? anyone know. Must compair like cars to like cars. | ||
| RockStar (Remix)
Junior Member Username: Remix Post Number: 73 Registered: 3-2003 |
If Honda can build a $16,000 car that doesn't break, surely someone charging 10x as much can do the same, if not better. My old VTEC Prelude I could rev to 7500 rpm all day, literally beating the crap out of it for 40k miles and nothing ever broke. Same with my previous NSX. Nothing ever broke. I agree with the original poster. There's no excuse, at least not a practical one. REMIX | ||
| philip (Fanatic1)
Member Username: Fanatic1 Post Number: 381 Registered: 2-2003 |
Yeah, I've heard that Frank.........I don't know much about them.......I have ridden in 2 Vipers...never drove one, but everyone I know loves theirs. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2881 Registered: 9-2001 |
Philip, the Viper is a very high performance car and is very reliable . | ||
| philip (Fanatic1)
Member Username: Fanatic1 Post Number: 379 Registered: 2-2003 |
I understand what you're saying Greg....and that would hold true to Engine Parts...or Wearible Items.....I mean it makes sense that if your running a exotic hard...stuffs gonna break...Pads, suspension, maybe steering....but what about the dozens of Gremlins that are in these cars for years that aren't fixed......electric windows, electric roofs, leaking roofs, start up issues, over heating issues, virtually every sensor on the car......I love Ferrari, but to say that they appear to be careless, and not concerned at all about customer satisfaction and product reliability...I think it's true. Of course, if your cars are selling out everywhere, your orders are full, and people are lining up for 100k+ cars....where is their incentive to fix anything......everybody is trying to cut overhead, maximize profits......everybody! | ||
| Greg (Teflon)
Junior Member Username: Teflon Post Number: 58 Registered: 5-2003 |
The NSX performed admirably, but it was by no means a "supercar". It has no torque and is a little low on hp. I have yet to see a high performance, high reliability car. There is a fine line there. Granted, Ferrari has much room for improvement in reliability, but it is quite difficult to truly have both. Greg A | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 727 Registered: 10-2001 |
"Who wrote the ridiculous rule that all competent sports cars must inherently have mechanical issues?" I thought the NSX showed that any car maker could jump in the Exotic world (and for that time period before going back to core business of road cars) make the guys that do exotics for their living look like fools. One day Ferrari will have a CEO that came up from a Quality Engineering background. Until that day... all you can do is shake your head. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 2016 Registered: 11-2002 |
N'din, Comparing a Bentley GT to an Arnage is a little silly. The cars are completely different. Although I'll reserve my comments for when I get a drive, the overall impression I've heard is that the car is definitely athletic. My 2 cents on the whole reliability thing is pretty simple. Why is it that Ferrari has to be a marque of compromise when it comes to something so important? I can understand compromises in comfort for the sake of going fast and getting a visceral experience for the sports cars, as well as comfort in a GT car. I don't understand how or why reliability should be a compromise. Who wrote the ridiculous rule that all competent sports cars must inherently have mechanical issues? Cheers | ||
| Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Member Username: Enzo Post Number: 906 Registered: 2-2002 |
A little O/T but the MB quality issues I haven't really seen. My parents have bought 3 in the last 2 years (02 C320 sport wagon, 02 E320 4matic & a 03 CLK 500) and have had not 1 problem. I don't really see that MB quality is getting worse as much as I see Chryslers getting better. | ||
| Greg (Teflon)
Junior Member Username: Teflon Post Number: 56 Registered: 5-2003 |
Henryk, I don't understand. You are complaining about problems w/Ferraris, yet you are willing to be one of the first to buy a car that has never been produced before? You think the first model year run of a never before produced car will be problem free? Right. Losing a customer to another marque is one thing, but jumping into an unproven car tells Ferrari that there are buyers out there who are willing to take great chances just to have something new and different, not necessarily more reliable. Greg A | ||
| Jeff (Jeff_m)
Junior Member Username: Jeff_m Post Number: 213 Registered: 9-2002 |
I am with you Henryk, the days of spending big money on un reliabile super expensive Ferraris with the same performance as less expensive better quality marques is going to be a thing of the past. I too would take the bentley over the 575/550. For one thing, the 550/575 is a dated car on its way out so buying a new 575 in my opinion would be crazy. As far as the Bentley fit and finish, I picked up an Arnage red label last month (after someone else took the major hit!)and love it. Can't speak for the reliability yet as it only has 6k miles and I haven't needed anything done yet but the engine seems super strong.I am so impressed that I put a deposit down on the Continental convert that will debut after the coupe. Previously, all I wanted was a 360 spider but after reading so many of the horror stories here, I went elsewhere. I am also waiting to see how the Gallardo turns out. Ferrari definately needs to step it up! | ||
| Kds (Kds)
Junior Member Username: Kds Post Number: 134 Registered: 5-2003 |
Jeff.... I don't disagree with you at all about MB......seems like "Chryslerization" is setting into the once great brand. | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1222 Registered: 9-2002 |
Frank, Nothing personal, but perhaps your post would be a lot easier to follow if you broke it up into segements. --Dan | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
Junior Member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 70 Registered: 8-2003 |
I own an 81-308, a car that I ALWAYS wanted,and bought it for that reason. I make a pretty decent living,but,not quite enough to outright buy a NEW Ferrari. But,from what I've been reading in FerrariChat,dont know if i would even if I DID have the $$. I mean,when a car costs as much as a house... A REALLY NICE HOUSE! It HAD BETTER BE ...FLAWLESS!!...I mean,absolutely ZERO problems! But,cars are man made machines. EACH part is made by a minimum wage worker in a factory somewhere in the world. Put all of these parts together,collectively,they make up a car. Its a crap shoot,literally,that any one of these parts can fail at any time. And,SO MANY of the OTHER parts RELY on each other,so that if one fails,other ones can,too. So,if you are able to plunk down $200,000.00PLUS for A CAR (remember,it is ONLY a car,here) then you should be able to be CONFIDENT that this very,VERY expensive INVESTMENT is going to perform,perform WELL,and not fail.If an automaker cannot,or will not guarantee flawlessness in a car like this,then,the prices need to come down,to reflect the quality of the car,the extra $$ involved to "make it right",and the time lost. In my personal opinion. Even though I really like the new creature comforts,safety features,and electronic gadgets on cars,I think that the automakers,ALL of the automakers,really,have gotten out of hand,and gone too far. Remember,it is ONLY a car! Take out a new,$350,000.00 Bentley on the road. You are driving amongst much less valuable vehicles,but,they are DOING the same thing that the Bentley is doing. Going from point A to point B. Accomplishing the SAME THING! Sure,not in the same style,but,when one of those drivers of a 15 year old "beater" worth a couple of hundred bucks,slams into your Bentley,it is now,reduced to almost worthless (outside of parts,anyway) I mean,come on,Ferraris from the 1960's have super performance that equals or exceeds alot of todays cars. Sure,you dont have antilock brakes, and have lesser steering and suspension. But,it costs alot less to repair,and maintain those components,AND they are simple enough so that the owner,if he can or wants to,can service them himself. When I was a teenager,half the fun of owning a car was that you could do most of the work on it,yourself. Which,not only saved you alot of $$,but the satisfaction that you get when you actually fixed it yourself,or enhanced the performance,yourself.(some people LIKE to do that,some people don't.) You cannot do that with todays cars,because so many components are computer controlled,or so expensive,so that if you f*ck up,you f*ck up BIG TIME!!! I,personally,would like to see auto makers start to simplify some of the components on cars. Sure,definitely keep good things like antilock brakes,traction control,etc... But simplify them. And,I know that most of that "junk" that covers engines is all the fault of the governments (to increse mileage,and decrease emmissions) But,in my life,I have seen computers go from room size to 10"x12" portatbles. VCR's from huge to small. Remember how big calculators were when they came out? now as small as credit cards. So,if the automakers and their suppliers can start "shrinking" alot of these things,so,that once again,when you open the hood,all you see is engine,(and not a million wires,tubes,plastic parts,etc...)And a guy can WORK on his own car,if he wants to,and is able to. And that if one of these little electronic parts fails,you can take it out (yourself) buy a new one (reasonable) and stick it back in youself,and be on your way.( some...few...can) You cant help feeling,these days,that when they design a car,they automatically "factor in" future parts and maintainance costs,that their company will be getting from us,the auto buying public,because they make it so difficult to do ANYTHING yourself,anymore! Look at cars in the old days. A new "model" (or,changes in an existing one) EVERY SINGLE YEAR! And if we are so technologically advanced now,why cant they do that now,AND make sure that cars (new cars) dont have so many,and such expensive quality issues!!! | ||
| J.D. Smythe (Jeff)
Junior Member Username: Jeff Post Number: 249 Registered: 2-2001 |
KDS Please take a look at the latest JD Powers report. MB quality has been suffering a lot. Their quality is way below industry standards. And this year, MB had one of the largest drops in quality, 38%, compared to last year. I own a MB now and it's my last. I've had problems since day one. | ||
| Dave L (Davel)
Member Username: Davel Post Number: 310 Registered: 7-2001 |
Henryk you have every right to expect better performance and reliability from a modern sportscar even if its produced by Ferrari. The NSX taught that painful and very valid lesson to every exotic/sportscar maker. Buy what you feel will give you that satisfaction. Good luck and from what Ive read the new Bently sounds like a great vehicle. JMHO.. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2466 Registered: 10-2002 |
Henryk Read the new Autoweek test on the Bentley. It's a great car. VW is a new era for these cars. Unlike Ferrari they have won LeMans for the last 4 straight years. Ferrari makes great cars as well but VW is raising the bar for everyone. Best | ||
| Kds (Kds)
Junior Member Username: Kds Post Number: 132 Registered: 5-2003 |
Just as comment regarding Dan360's mention of the compatibility of Ferrari/Mercedes convertible to mechanisms. While it is true that the components for both systems are almost virtually identical and produced by the same German aftermarket specialty company that serves this market well.....for some reason Ferrari is perceived to be having issues and MB is not. Go figure. | ||
| Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
Member Username: Coachi Post Number: 353 Registered: 5-2002 |
if you want reliability, buy a mercedes or a BMW. Or a Lexus, or some good japanese car. If you want excitement and if you want to make a statement, buy the Ferrari. I think Ferrari got tired of people making money reselling their cars, so they have hiked the prices quite a bit, without giving a lot in return. I remember when TR were almost 300,000. Now you can buy one for 50,000. Dealers were selling them for 100000 over sticker. Yes, there is greed in this world...but I too love the old cars, my newest being a 86 TR. I still want to add a 550 to my stable...but I will not pay the high prices now. Obviously, large production Ferraris have become a depreciable item, just like Mercedes, etc...and you can pick a 550 hardly driven for 1/2 price. I think the market is speaking and soon we all will listen. | ||
| Dan 360 (Dan360)
Junior Member Username: Dan360 Post Number: 114 Registered: 2-2003 |
One point on the 360 convertible top - its the same mechanism as on the Porsche Convertibles (made by some german roof specialist co.) - twin electric motors. I previously had a boxster. If anything ever gets in the way of the roof when its moving the motors can get slightly out of sync. This tends to lead to one motor failing. The symptoms are lumpy up/down, followed by working fine (when the first motor fails), followed by the second motor failing under stress and the roof not going at all. Obviously this happened to me on a drizzly day in London :-) | ||
| philip (Fanatic1)
Member Username: Fanatic1 Post Number: 374 Registered: 2-2003 |
I'm sorry to say I can kind of see Henry's point.....I think it was Dr. Shelbee......I THINK......but someone here had a new car and when they brought it in for a checkup (15,000) miles......the engine bolts had gone bad and a bunch of suspension parts.....it was gonna be something like 17,000.00 to repair!! I'm not ready to give up on Ferrari by any means.......yet..........but a little better of a product would really be nice. I remember one F Chat member was crass enought to say...."SO YOU THINK YOU'RE SO SPECIAL....YOU BUY AN EXPENSIVE CAR SO YOU FEEL NOTHING SHOULD GO WRONG" I wrote, yes, for 100K, 150K, 200K +++, at some point reliability has to be built in.....come on...most of these problems could be sorted out with a little bit of R&D...and a little bit of better engineering............I do remember that FNA didn't charge the Dr....but the problem should never have happened to begin with........and what with the 360's convertible top not working properly........hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm | ||
| N'din (Abangdin)
New member Username: Abangdin Post Number: 31 Registered: 7-2003 |
A 550 against a Bentley GT. Surely you mean a 575 and not a 550. The 550 is an old model. You'd have to buy a used car. You can't compare a used car to a new car. I just came home form a trip to the racing circuit to see our friends do the qualifying for the endurance race tomorrow, in my friend's 550 Maranello. It's a fantastic car. We wre doing 260kph on the highway and the power was seemless. We had no problem braking and accelerating ever so often because of the heavy traffic. The car just pulls away and it's really comfortable on the highway. You obviously do not know about Bentley. If you think Ferrari has a lot of problems, wait till you ask the Bentley workshop about the reliability of a Bentley. It's such a heavy car. The Bentley GT is 2,200kg while the 550 is only 1,700kg. The Bentley is not a Grand Tourer, it's almost a lorry. I've driven the Bentley Red Label around the race track and it's aweful. I've driven the Bentley La Mans and yes it has a lot of torque but you have to adjust your braking point so early that it is no fun at all driving it. And by the way Henryk, if you're buying a 550, you are buying off someone else and not from Ferrari. Please know the difference. Ferrari will survive, no worries. Please save your money and don't buy a Ferrari. | ||
| J R K (Kenyon)
Member Username: Kenyon Post Number: 628 Registered: 10-2002 |
The new Aston Martin is very nice. Prettier then the 550 and the Bentley... | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Intermediate Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 1143 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jim: I hope you "STEAL" the car!!!!!!!! | ||
| Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Junior Member Username: Boxer12 Post Number: 163 Registered: 6-2003 |
Hank, a friend of mine picked up a 'salvage' 550, has completely restored it, and now has an incredible daily driver for about $100K. It only took 2 years to restore. Nice project car, eh? Tell FNA to take a hike\ I plan to give this guy about 6 mos, then make him an offer! | ||
| jake diamond (Rampante)
Junior Member Username: Rampante Post Number: 131 Registered: 4-2002 |
Eventually, "they" will learn their lesson. There is a limit to even a car nut's stupidity. | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Intermediate Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 1142 Registered: 8-2001 |
If more people acted like me, then Ferrari would HAVE to wake up.........unfortunately there aren't enough of us, so Ferrari can still do what it wants. But, I think the time will come. EVERYONE has a breaking point!!!!!!!! It just seems that mine has been reached!!!!!! How is it that most of you are STILL putting up with this BULLSH*T from FNA?????? | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 2015 Registered: 11-2002 |
Henry, I think you are doing the right thing. If more out there did this Ferrari would shape up in a heartbeat. The Bentley will be a great machine. I've heard great things about it so far. I've heard the exhaust sounds fantastic and the car is very well put together. Cheers | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Intermediate Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 1141 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dan G: What reliability issues are you referring to? The GT is all new and just coming out, with VW backing.......can't be that bad......or am I missing something? I think the "big" problem is that I read about "issues" in the newer Ferraris, and FNA could care less!!!!!!!!! I have just "had it" with being treated like dirt, by FNA. I would still keep my "older" Ferraris. | ||
| Dan Gordon (Ferruccio)
Junior Member Username: Ferruccio Post Number: 126 Registered: 2-2003 |
Stick to the 550..........Bentleys are not known for there reliability. Benteleys are known to be heavy, bad handling, and overpriced. Even though I have heard diffrent about the GT I would go for the Beutiful, great handling, powerful, and musical sounding Ferrari 550. | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1218 Registered: 9-2002 |
I saw it at a premier they were doing in a local art gallery, sponsored by Bentley and the dealer here. You really need to see it in the flesh. Perhaps Rich (Rosso) could help out with the details on when it will be delivered. Have you considered picking up a used Arnage instead? Same money, but a completely different beast? I know I'd love one. --Dan | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Intermediate Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 1140 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dan: I have had 8 Ferraris, and have gotten to the point that I am just "tired" of "Reliable, practical (well, in F-car terms)......". For the prices the dealer wants, the cars HAVE to be better than that. I admit, that I only looked at pictures, but from what I see, the performance is similar, and the shape stunning, to me. Do you know when they will be available in the US? Where did you see it? Thanks. | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1215 Registered: 9-2002 |
You are passing up a 550 for a Bentley Conti GT? Honestly, I think this is a big mistake. I went to the Bentley Congi GT premier two nights ago, and I have to admit I was pretty disappointed. In the flesh, the rear is disappointing, the interior is so-so, and it will be floaty beyond belief. Two very different cars with very different purposes...but if you ewre considering 550 vs. Conti, stick with the 550. Reliable, practical (well, in F-car terms), and absolutely sublime. Good stuff indeed. --Dan | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Intermediate Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 1139 Registered: 8-2001 |
While I was looking for my "next" Ferrari, I came across articles on the new Bentley Continental GT. What a fantastic car???????? I am getting tired of reading about problems with "new" Ferraris........seems to be too many of them for the price they are asking. Why is it that most of you accept this? Ferrari just lost a customer!!!!!!!!!! I will stick with the "old" Ferraris.......at least I don't have to use a computer to adjust the clutch........PURE stupidity, IMO. |