| Author | Message | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 844 Registered: 6-2002 |
Ben, looks on furthur examination that: 1) Good golly, you're right! and 2) the thrid jack is in the middle of the front 2 wheels. Looks like a tripod mount actually. The most stable of mounts infact (especially on irregular surfaces.) No surprise Roland would set it up that way! Best! Ben. PS: good eye! | ||
| PlayersMarkus (Playersmarkus)
Junior Member Username: Playersmarkus Post Number: 143 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ben, there are only 3...it's the Ferrari version of David Blaine's levitation trick ;O) Markus | ||
| mwg (Mikeg)
New member Username: Mikeg Post Number: 27 Registered: 8-2003 |
Ben - I too thought that the F40 pic was strange with only 3 jacks visable - but then I lightened the pic and bit and saw that there was more support.  | ||
| Michael Yip (Mightyslash)
Junior Member Username: Mightyslash Post Number: 183 Registered: 4-2002 |
Dang, is that a 333 SP next to the F40? | ||
| Brett M. Derosier (Mccprivate)
New member Username: Mccprivate Post Number: 4 Registered: 9-2003 |
Here is a blue Ferrari F40 LM picture.  | ||
| Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
Intermediate Member Username: Benjet Post Number: 1190 Registered: 1-2001 |
Not to nit pick, but I have a question, looking at the Players Run pic below, I instantly saw something awry. Anyone else see this, or make some sense out this...it looks like only 3 of the car jacks are extended and the pass front wheel looks as tho the it is still on the ground. Maybe it's just an optical illusion. -Ben | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 840 Registered: 6-2002 |
Brett- that's about the coolest picture I've ever seen! I remenber spending about 2 minuites trying to trace the lines and figure out what the "extra shock absorber resivors" were for on Roland's car... Then I figured it out, sort of fell back on the grass, and just said "Oh!"... Best! Ben. | ||
| James Lee (Aventino)
Junior Member Username: Aventino Post Number: 94 Registered: 6-2003 |
There is an F40 thats been modified for competition on collectorcaronline.com for $275,000. The later GTEs ran with an XTrac sequential box and I noticed a few "DNF due transmission" of the Ferrari France LM cars. Since more than a few of the standard F40s have had engine work, to up the output, I was wondering how much punishment the standard F40 gearbox comfortably copes with. | ||
| Brett M. Derosier (Mccprivate)
New member Username: Mccprivate Post Number: 2 Registered: 9-2003 |
Roland's F40 also has 4-point jacks like most race cars. Photo courtesy of Markus at Playersrun.com.  | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 868 Registered: 2-2003 |
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| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 350 Registered: 9-2002 |
One small question, As the Lm's were built by Michelotto of Padova on a modified but originaly standard F40 chassis, does this mean that any F40 modified to LM spec by michelotto is a real F40LM, if not whats the difference between a michelotto modified Ferrari and a Linder modified Ferrari?(apart from factory approval) Rolands car rocks, not polished or rotting in a garage but driven as it should be. | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Intermediate Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 1395 Registered: 3-2002 |
I'd like to read the log of this restoration. It sounds like the whole thing was by the book. | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 826 Registered: 6-2002 |
Damn I love how crazy-F&*(ing-LOW that F40 is! Frigging awesome. Best! Ben. | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 963 Registered: 8-2001 |
Guys, I won't get into a debate on whether Mr. Linders car is a LM, LM spec, or just a modified street F40 but I can verify that Mr. Caiola's car is an authentic F40 LM. As for what looks better, well considering I am race car nut the F40 LM/GTE looks downright awesome to me....makes the standard F40 look a bit dull. The carbon front splitter, huge headlights and imposing carbon fiber rear wing make the F40 Lm look all business. For those of you who don't know Benny he is a member of the Empire State Region FCA and has owned over 40 different Ferrari's through the years. He was also the first US customer for the Pagani Zonda. Some say he personally knew Mr. Ferrari. And we are not talking about 308's, 355's and other main stream F cars. He has owned several F40's (F40, F40 GTE, F40 LM), a pair of 333SP's, F50's and a lot of other rare race Ferraris. I venture to guess they had some F40 LM shells sitting around and he asked them to build him one. He has such a personal relationship with the factory that they would probably build him an F1 car if he asked. Rumor has it that Benny was one of 20 Ferrari customers from around the world that were flown to Marnello to give input on the Enzo. And boy is that F40 LM a sight to behold. I spent a few laps behind it this weekend at the Glen! Here are some pics:     Regards, Jon P. Kofod 1995 F355 Challenge #23 | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2387 Registered: 8-2002 |
1. Because it isn't--the same way a pain stakingly recreated GTO is not a GTO, it is a recreation. 2. This is not what Roland has done. There are many differences between an F40LM and Roland's "Evoluzione" version. What we have here is a suped-up, highly modified, streetable F40 that was inspired by the F40 LMs and GTEs. I'm sure Roland will agree.
Agreed! | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2479 Registered: 10-2002 |
James Lee I totally agree with you on that but many don't. I also think that restoring out the dent's and dings of battle esp. those received in major races is very sad and stupid. Martin You bring up an important point. "Bonding" with a car no matter what or how humble it may be is IMHO the pleasure that lasts when the rest fades. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5881 Registered: 5-2001 |
...and as far as EX-LeMans racer.... Roland did race this years Le Mans again! Way to go Roland! | ||
| Ryanzx6r (Ryanzx6r)
New member Username: Ryanzx6r Post Number: 3 Registered: 6-2003 |
Roland's F40 is an awesome car. I had the pleasure of riding with him for about an hour and got a little info on the car. Roland wanted an LM for a long time but could not find one for sale. Since he couldn't buy an LM, he decided to build one. He found the burned up F40 and had it built to his spec. I figure that a guy that has been a professional driver since the late sixties might have an idea or two how to set up a car. The car weighs approximately 2500lbs It has a 27 gallon fuel cell At the time, Roland was running with "only" 17lbs of boost It redlines at 8500 rpm The turbos and intercoolers are larger than stock (I don't remember what brand they are) The car is REALLY loud inside (but in a good way) Those HRE wheels are super light. I helped pull them off to put spacers inside the wheels to aid in tying the car down in the trailer. Roland wanted the car to be what he thought a Ferrari should be. It's "got balls", he said. He also wanted it to be reliable. He takes the car all over and races it and doesn't want to get stuck. This is why he has a custom radiator, and why he has a Bosch fuel pump. Something that really needs to be mentioned is that on the drive, Roland put over 200 miles on the car without a single problem. Remember, it's a race car. And the stock F40 that was on the drive overheated. 'Nuff said. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5876 Registered: 5-2001 |
If you buy a twisted piece of metal, basically a chassis number and some frame parts and get blueprints and all specs for a LM, then rebuilt the car pain stakingly to these specs, why would it not be an LM? It is not to be confused witha factory built LM but still an LM. If you have a one of 32 348 factory built Challenge Cars you do have a Challenge car. If you take a 1989 348 and have it converted according to race specs from Ferrari to run in the Challenge Series, you also end up with a Challenge car. No difference here. The fact about Roland taking the time and effort to make this car back to what it is shows to me more than going out and just buying one. The bond between him and his car is much stronger and much more enthusiastic than a showroom purchase. Same for when James's P4 will be ready. He will have a very strong bond with his car. Are we going to question if his P4 is real as well? | ||
| James Lee (Aventino)
Junior Member Username: Aventino Post Number: 83 Registered: 6-2003 |
Godsil, No way dude. The Comp F40s look so serious. The pic of GTE #90001 at Zuhai in the pits looking a bit rough, a bit taped, like a boxer taking a break between rounds, is how the F40 or any competition Ferrari looks best. Like De Niro in Raging Bull. Putting up a fight. | ||
| Nick Coutts (Kickus)
New member Username: Kickus Post Number: 15 Registered: 2-2003 |
James, I'm not that serious, but thank you for your offer to help. Hopefully I'm no more than five years away from getting a standard F40, though the thought of a factory-fresh F40 GTE is something even more wonderful to work towards. | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 777 Registered: 6-2002 |
I perfer to think of Roland's car as a "Roland F40." It's somewhere between a factory 'LM' and an F40. For example, Roland mounts the entire drivetrain lower to decrease CG. The HREs, while I'd probally fit black Speedlines on my car, are not chrome, but rather HRE's polished aluminum, and really are quite beautiful up close! I belive they are 18" dia. Nick- The Ferrari factory has a long standing history of quietly doing many things for people who bring enough $ to cover costs to the table. Things you wouldn't think would get done... Now, an entire car? That'd take serious dollars, but I am sure Ferrari retains all the tooling and propritary knowledge somewhere. Cost effective wise, I suggest buy one and convert it, spend the rest on slicks  Best! Ben. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2476 Registered: 10-2002 |
Nick If you're serious PM me. | ||
| Jason Godsil (Godsil)
Member Username: Godsil Post Number: 281 Registered: 9-2001 |
I am probably going to get yelled at here but I have to say it. I do like the look of that LM but it doesn't hold a candle to that stock F40. The F40 just looks so clean and unobstructed. No offence to anyone. However I am still undecided on the F50 and the F50GT. I really like that GT. | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 840 Registered: 2-2003 |
I believe the story was an accident happened or the owners (MS execs, anyone confirm) had the a wheel break up into fragments, hit the fuel lines, and kaboom.. they ran with their lives intact not caring about the car. I think the how was posted earlier and is in the archives. Sunny | ||
| Nick Coutts (Kickus)
New member Username: Kickus Post Number: 14 Registered: 2-2003 |
Patrick, it says "ordered new" through a Ferrari dealer, so I presume that it was a new car, as opposed to a road-car conversion. | ||
| Kevin Butler (Challenge)
Junior Member Username: Challenge Post Number: 202 Registered: 9-2002 |
Here's a trivia question that I've never heard an answer to: what where the circumstances of the F40 fire that Roland began with? Did anyone get hurt? Was it on a track? | ||
| Patrick Denonville (Arizonaguy)
Member Username: Arizonaguy Post Number: 576 Registered: 4-2003 |
Probably shipped Ferrari an F40 so they could modify it. | ||
| Nick Coutts (Kickus)
New member Username: Kickus Post Number: 13 Registered: 2-2003 |
The site that Wayned linked to shows, among other things, a listing of all of the F40 GTE's to leave the factory, including this: "1998, ordered new by Benny Caiola through Alberto Pedretti's, Wide World of Cars, New York, no race history, built to 1996 Le Mans spec." Does anyone know hot it was possible to order this car up until 1998, when production on the street F40's ended somewhere around 1992? Is it possible to still order a new GTE? I would give just about anything to order a new F40GTE from the factory... | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2379 Registered: 8-2002 |
Michael, here's some info: http://www.qv500.com/ferrarif40p2.htm And then there's the F40 GT: http://www.qv500.com/ferrarif40p8.htm And F40 GTE: http://www.qv500.com/ferrarif40p10.htm | ||
| Michael W. (Whimike)
New member Username: Whimike Post Number: 40 Registered: 7-2003 |
So, what exactly makes an "LM" version? What is different between a regular F40 and an F40LM? | ||
| Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Member Username: Paulie_b Post Number: 696 Registered: 1-2003 |
Byron, I saw this car the day it was delivered to Florida to begin its resurrection. It was an amazing sight to see such a beautiful machine turned to burnt and twisted metal. The complete car was totally unrecognizable. The car was originally an F40. | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Intermediate Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 1194 Registered: 10-2002 |
oops... that's what I meant, wayne... original F40. | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2378 Registered: 8-2002 |
Byron, I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. This car was NOT an original LM. It was a standard F40 street car that, when resurrected, was rebuilt to near-LM specs. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1676 Registered: 2-2001 |
Perhaps if they were not chromed they would look a lot better... They definitely look like they belong on a P.Diddy doped out Lexus rather than on an LM F40. There are many other wheels that would look MUCH better on that car... just look at the other F40's on this board... The car was a regular F40, converted to LM specs during restoration. Ernesto | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1497 Registered: 8-2001 |
Here's a TR with those HRE wheels. I think they look great on the car.  | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Intermediate Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 1191 Registered: 10-2002 |
Greg, James is right. The car was an original LM that had been burned. Roland impressively raised it from the dead by putting in a new crated F40 motor... Forza has a story on it. It has been converted to "LM" specs - lots of debate about this and quite frankly, more controversy than necessary. It is an amazing car to see, hear, and ride in! Ernesto, those are not bling bling wheels, but 19" 3piece HRE wheels that many of us would put onto our 360's and 550's, except single hub and cotter-pinned. Good eye, though...it's possible that this car is slightly different than stock, because it is! Whatever the case, he is an ex LeMans racer and Ferrari driving instructor... I don't think we need to question whether or not he can actually call it an F40LM. To my knowledge, the car was a F40 at birth, died, and brought back to life with "LM" type specs... an engineering marvel. awesome machine. | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 1833 Registered: 12-2002 |
All I know is that its an amazing car to ride in | ||
| Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Member Username: Paulie_b Post Number: 693 Registered: 1-2003 |
Yes, the car was featured in Forza a few months ago. If anyone is interested, I can refer you to the person that did most of the reconstruction. Not all of the facts in the Forza article are correct. Thats another story. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1675 Registered: 2-2001 |
LM or not (its not), he really needs to take off those bling bling wheels and put in some real ones. The car would look much better. Ernesto | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Advanced Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 2505 Registered: 6-2001 |
Wasn't this car featured in Forza a while back, with all the pictures from its reconstruction, etc.? Art | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2469 Registered: 10-2002 |
Dave It's not an original LM. It's an F40 he restored and turned into a LM. (According to him who probably knows). He did raise it from the dead in a very impressive way. | ||
| Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
Member Username: Hardtop Post Number: 662 Registered: 1-2002 |
Roland's F40 is an original LM that crashed and burned and was rescued from salvage. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 4319 Registered: 9-2001 |
I beleive Rolands car is a not an orginal LM, it is converted from an F40. There may be some diff due to the mods he made | ||
| Greg G (Greg_g)
New member Username: Greg_g Post Number: 48 Registered: 7-2003 |
I have a question abt Roland's F40. I dont know much abt the LM's and was wondering why his tail lamps are located slightly more inboard, and slightly lower than the street F40s. Or are my eyes just playing tricks on me. There are photo examples of this in the following thread: http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/167223/285175.html?1061270442 Thanks for any input! |