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| David Moore (Speedmoore)
Junior Member Username: Speedmoore Post Number: 88 Registered: 4-2003 |
Hi Rob: Just returned from fly fishing in the mountains. Man does not live by racing alone ;-) I HOPE we have a decent turnout the last 2 races. USAGT surving another year will be heavily dependent upon decent fields at Atlanta and Daytona. Afterwards, I'll let you know. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6152 Registered: 12-2000 |
David, let me know when there's a 2004 schedule. I will try to do Alabama and Atlanta, then maybe one far off track. If I can get a title sponsor I'll do the entire series. Anyone interested, please visit the "Race Team" link on top right of site. You would be surprised how cheap you can have your company be the title sponsor of the FerrariChat.com 355 Challenge and get your graphics all over the car.  | ||
| David Moore (Speedmoore)
Junior Member Username: Speedmoore Post Number: 85 Registered: 4-2003 |
Jon: When you ran the 235, did you also run the 285/680 in the rear? I wonder if the 1/4" of less track in the rear has something to do with the high speed grip?? D | ||
| David Moore (Speedmoore)
Junior Member Username: Speedmoore Post Number: 84 Registered: 4-2003 |
Hi Wil: Too bad you could not reschedule for Atlanta. Road Atlanta is such a damn cool track. I've never once overcome the willies coming down the hill into 12 where I could keep my foot on the peg.......my skirt blows up everytime ;-( If it was not for the 10 story drop, I'd be below 1:29 in our 73 RSR. I was signed up to co-drive with Dana at Atlanta, but I will probably be sending my guys without me. So Wil, don't feel bad. Since you can't make it, I've decided to stay in TX and ramrod the project to get our brand new transporter 100% to make the trip to Laguna Seca first week of October. BTW, anyone intersted in our old transporter, go to my website and see the photos and details. It will be headed up to Dickinsen Fleet service in Indy in a few weeks to be totally gone through and serviced once more. http://moorespeed.com/sales/cars/index.html D | ||
| will h (Willh)
Junior Member Username: Willh Post Number: 198 Registered: 3-2003 |
"I am very interested in this new series and if I decide to keep my 355C another year will contact you about 04." As I've told David privately, I'm also very interested in '04. Would be fun to get a "team" together ... maybe do some winter testing? | ||
| David Moore (Speedmoore)
Junior Member Username: Speedmoore Post Number: 83 Registered: 4-2003 |
Thanks for the info Jon: Looks like you've been doing your homework. I won't say what tire pressures we've run with both Pirelli and Dunlop (I guess I could, but I'd have to kill ya ;-) But I can say it ain't close to what they recommend to run them at.......I ran Dunlops the first time being crew chief for Franz Konrad at 24 hours Daytona in a GT2 Porsche and we only ran fast, consistent laps, when the tire engineer was not looking and we changed the pressures by 6-7psi.....true. Of course they found out and gave me the third degree, and said we'd Pop the tires in the right rear. Little did he know we adjusted the camber for the banking to keep the heat down as well as the shock and spring for that corner. Can't tell'em everything. Interesting on the scrub in and fast laps. I've always had my best laps on the 4th lap of a brand new set for 2 laps then they just got too hot and greasy. That's why we would run stickers in Q and that would serve as scrub for race that also let them settle overnight preferably..... Martin: Well Dennis Black told me they were bringing at least 2 maybe 3 360s to Daytona and possibly a few other F-cars that should get everyone amped...... The more the better.............it's been 3 weeks since I've been to the track...Jones'n | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 958 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dave, I have run the 235/640R/18 Dunlop Grand Am spec tire on my Challenge car and it fits just fine. In regards to the Pirelli vs. Dunlop debate the Pirelli is a better tire. It last longer (10-12 heat cylces), is less sensitive to tire pressures, and works better for longer heat cycles (45+ minutes). I have run both extensively and the Pirelli has consistently gotten me faster lap times. At the Glen it's worth a full second, same at Summit and at Lime Rock a half second. The Dunop I was using was the Grand Am spec tire that many teams (especially the 360GT of Ferrari or Washington) were having problems with. At anything over 45 minutes the tire gets overheated and gets very greasy. Once you cool them down again they are fine but for an hour sprint race they aren't going to keep up with the Pirelli. I also had a hard time getting the pressures right on the Dunlop with my setup. Took nerly an entire day. Seems the Dunlops expend more under heat. I used the same baseline figures cold for the Dunlops as for the Pirellis and the Dunlops had 2 to 2 1/2 pounds too much pressure when hot. Lastly I think the Pirelli just plain stick better in high speed corners. In slow to medium corners they are the same but in fast sweepers the Dunop steps out too much. I have also tried the yokohamas but they were even slower than the other two and the front tire is shorter which aids turn in but really creates turn in oversteer and hinders early throttle inputs. Clearly the Pirelli was made for the 355 C and I think it's the best tire. As for the "new" vs. "used" tire debate it all depends on where you get the used tires. My supplier gets them straight from Grand Am and they have one 15 to 20 inute heat cycle on them. I have never had a bad set and at most I give up maybe a haff second at most. Also the Pirellis take 2 or 3 heat cycles to get maximum grip. At Watkins Glen this past weekend I used a new set of Pirellis for the first time in a while. First heat cycle there was no grip and I just scrubbed them in. Second cycle the car was still twitchy and loose, third cycle I set fastest lap of the weekend. Hope this helps! I am very interested in this new series and if I decide to keep my 355C another year will contact you about 04. When are you all running at Summit Point, Watkins Glen, VIR, or Lime Rock?? Regards, Jon P. Kofod 1995 F355 Challenge #23 www.flatoutracing.net  | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5918 Registered: 5-2001 |
How many Ferraris are there then? If there is only 2 I have a 50/50 chance | ||
| David Moore (Speedmoore)
Junior Member Username: Speedmoore Post Number: 82 Registered: 4-2003 |
<Martin Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:34 pm: Thanks David, printed out the rules etc. but which rungroup applies to the Ferraris? Those are all Porsche rungroups.> All the USAGT cars run together as one run group with 4 classes within. The Ferrari challenge cars will be their own class for now. The hope is that we may be able to build the old Ferrari Porsche Battle for the fans. Could be super cool. D | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5914 Registered: 5-2001 |
Thanks David, printed out the rules etc. but which rungroup applies to the Ferraris? Those are all Porsche rungroups. | ||
| David Moore (Speedmoore)
Junior Member Username: Speedmoore Post Number: 81 Registered: 4-2003 |
Pirelli Tires will be legal for F-cars to run for the remainder of the season. Just rec'd the final word from Dave Stone. He did say, if you need to buy tires, try and buy a set of Dunlops from the Series sponsor Sasco Sports: http://www.sascosports.com/index.shtml USAGT competitors receive a 10% discount and Sasco is at the track to mount and balance and will bring your tires to the event for you as well as have extras in case you need them. As far as Pirelli to Dunlop for the 355, looks like the following: Tire Size Overall Diam. Sect. Width Tread Width Design Rim Width 235/645-18 645/25.39 245/9.65 225/8.86 8 295/670-18 670/26.38 285/11.22 275/10.83 10 Obviously we want to keep the same geometry for now and run Pirelli.....unless the Dunlop has something equivalent The only thing I See in Dunlop that seems to work is a Touring car front tire and a GT3R rear tire: 210/650R18 649/25.6 227/8.9 210/8.3 8.2 285/680R18 679/26.7 302/11.9 270/10.6 11 Going to a Supercup/GT3R front: 235/640R18 would be best if it fits on these front challenge wheels. Charlie at Sasco should know, I do not. Hope that helps David | ||
| David Moore (Speedmoore)
Junior Member Username: Speedmoore Post Number: 80 Registered: 4-2003 |
Sorry, you have to type the www. in front or it's not smart enough to click to the official site: http://www.usagt.net/ D | ||
| David Moore (Speedmoore)
Junior Member Username: Speedmoore Post Number: 79 Registered: 4-2003 |
"Do you have a website for USAGT and the event organizers? Racing league etc?" They are supposed to have a dedicated site, but I can't find it. Try this: http://www.kellymoss.com/indexmain.htm and click on the USAGT logo. All rules, forms, schedule, etc. are there. David | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5895 Registered: 5-2001 |
I will be in Moroso this Saturday tearing up the track again. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5894 Registered: 5-2001 |
David, I will give it a good try and put Sebring on my event schedule. Do you have a website for USAGT and the event organizers? Racing league etc? | ||
| David Moore (Speedmoore)
Junior Member Username: Speedmoore Post Number: 78 Registered: 4-2003 |
Hi Martin: You've got racing in your back pocket living in Florida. It's always a good idea to have some good schooling. Even the best go for tune ups just like you would snow skiing. Try to make it to Sebring, that's a great place to start and gives you til March of 04. BTW, you have to have some good wheel to wheel racing experience before attending Daytona as they don't allow rookies at that event. Sebring will be the first race with the rookie orientation for 2004 and is a cool track with oodles of history. But make sure you put "heli-copter" tape on the front of the car as the sand blasting of racing in Florida is almost as bad as Daytona Good luck | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5884 Registered: 5-2001 |
David, that is great to see her taking such enthusiasm into this sport. I wish I could do the same. There is a financial side to it though that I am not willing to break yet. Also my personal track experience is way off going out there with the big boys (or girls ) I would be in their way all the time. I have to do a good racing school before I would even consider doing any competitive racing. I am planning on doing this in the next 6 months. Skip probably. After that I would consider coming up to Daytona in the following year and fill up your field. My car has run SCCA. It is the former David Barr 355Challenge car. He had two polo positions in Atlanta and Moroso with the car but never entered it to the actual event due to rain. I come about 5-7 seconds to his Qualifying time in Moroso. Can not tell exactly since they changed the track configuration putting in new esses that drastically slow you down in the back straight. | ||
| David Moore (Speedmoore)
Junior Member Username: Speedmoore Post Number: 76 Registered: 4-2003 |
Rob: Here's link to Bob Woodman and his Pirelli tire sizing chart: http://bobwoodmantires.com/pzeroslick.htm We buy all of our Pirelli's from Bob as well as other tires we run in vintage. As far as Dunlop is concerned, we buy all of our Dunlops from Charlie at Sasco which is also the official sponsor and tire supplier to the USGT, he's giving USAGT competitors a discount: http://www.sascosports.com/products/dunlop/gt_2002.html I hope this helps. Also, you can roll the fenders (I use a broom stick, and roll the car back and forth) a pretty good bit on the 355 which you may need to do for rain tires. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6110 Registered: 12-2000 |
Well, I'm a believer after today David. I ran TMS for two sessions. First session had the Pirellis on the back with about 12 heat cycles, on the front I had my "new" used Dunlops and the car held really well. Next session I put the 12 heat cycle Pirellis back on the front and the car was awful. I guess around 12 heat cycles is my tolerance for the Pirellis in this case. I hope to find a Dunlop size that fits the rear so I can run Dunlops all the way around. I'll see how they compare to the Pirellis. Thanks for all the advice! | ||
| David Moore (Speedmoore)
Junior Member Username: Speedmoore Post Number: 75 Registered: 4-2003 |
"When you buy new tires, how many times do you heat cycle them before you disgard them?" Hey Rob, Depends upon the brand. The Pirellis seem to have longer life than most any tire. In 1997 I was crew chief on Riley Scott #001 Carolina Turkey 39 in WSC for Jim Mathews and gang (Kendall, Haywood, Bell, Murry, Johansen, and Waddel). We had a tire program with Pirelli and found out at a race like the 24 hours of Daytona, we could pull them off and have the build up shaved off along with a little bit of the base and they were only a few tenths off. We were seeing tire temps of around 200 F and were able to use them 3 times in the race each set without noticeable drop off....(0.5 to 1 sec at Daytona). Tires are a huge part of the budget at a race like that, you can easily spend $30k for the week (practice, qual, race) if you continue to put new sets on. But that's pro racing and only a handful of teams have a tire deal. Most teams have to buy their own tires and will continue using them until the car can't stay on the track, then discard. Heat cycled out. It's hard to say how many that is, but with most tires 8-10 heat cylces where the sessions are 20-30 minutes max is about the limit before they begin to noticeably fall off on the pro level. Whereas, an hour session is going to use them up sooner. In club and vintage racing, were no tire deals are had, budget on tires is critical. Like all the other guys, you usually run 4 sessions on Thursday test day, 3 sessions on Friday, 3 on Saturday, a warmup on Sunday and then a 30 minute or 1 hour race. Typically, with my faster drivers that are still capable of running pro "IMSA" race times, We will start on the set of tires we used at the last race weekend. We will try and use those all weekend. We also have the other used set as backup in case they go off early or flat spotting occurs from locking up under braking or a tire is cut, etc. Qualifying, we switch to the new set as we've found the fastest a tire will ever be (depending on the driver) happens the 3rd hot lap. Qualifying is usually only 15 minutes, so this serves as scrub in for the big Sunday race and have overnight for the cabon chains to settle in place. This helps the tire with grip as well as making them last longer. Then on Sunday, we switch to the now "scrubbed in" qualifying set. This scenerio is for the driver who wants every tenth still. So that's about 10 cycles. If the tires, still look good after that, we don't throw them away. Will keep using them until we see degredation or the wear indicators gone (usually the insides first) and the driver feels the tire going away (no grip sliding, car will not take a "set" in the corner). At that point, we leave them with the tire changer. The point beyond the 10 cycles before that happens, varies. It varies from track to track and upon conditions such as ambient temp, dry, damp, etc. Tires last a lot longer at a Road America or Laguna Seca than they do at a Sebring or Mosport because of the surface texture and pavement content. Mid O is pretty tough on tires too. It just varies too much to put a firm number of cycles down in writing. And that just is one aspect of racing....it's extremely dynamic and you have to be able to roll with the punches.....one of the biggest reasons I enjoy it so much.....it's never the same. Budget minded driver will save the race tires from the last race for the race and use up the 2nd set of tires if he can. He might also skip a session or two to help that equation out. This guy is usually happy with a top 10 finish. Then the real budget tire guy will keep the same set on the car for 3 to 4 races and run towards back of pack. I have one customer this year who usually buys used. He quit buying used after two consective sets of tires he bought put his car off track and into the gravel trap. He bought a new set and won the race, his first win of the year. One MAJOR thing to do, is take notes. Mark your tires not only RF,LF,RR,LR but also with a set number and on your data sheet you keep for each run session, keep track of tires used and how they felt, tire pressures cold, hot and tire temps when you come in hot (try to come in without cooling down, it's always good to come in before the session is over to obtain good readings) You'll then have data to analyze for your driving style and what works for you. I don't know if all that helps, and I'm rambling again. D | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6108 Registered: 12-2000 |
David, When you buy new tires, how many times do you heat cycle them before you disgard them? I agree about a tire will wear out from heat cycles before the tread goes. That's the way it is with our DOT Toyos in SRX7 too. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6107 Registered: 12-2000 |
$1600 for a set a Pirelli's vs. $320 for Dunlops with a few heat cycles is a no brainer for me. It's not like a couple hundred dollar difference. I have a set of Pirellis with the car that are running the same on the 10th heat cycle as they did on the 2nd heat cycle. Of course I'm not worried about tenths of a second at his point. | ||
| David Moore (Speedmoore)
Junior Member Username: Speedmoore Post Number: 74 Registered: 4-2003 |
"David, you have mail. Please give me a call at your convenience. Regards, Will" Good chatting with you earlier today Will! | ||
| David Moore (Speedmoore)
Junior Member Username: Speedmoore Post Number: 73 Registered: 4-2003 |
Will said, "Actually thats on slicks. What kind of tires do you have to use in this series ?" USAGT is required to use Dunlop 18" slicks of some mandated sizes. However, I am 90% sure we will be able to use the Pirelli challenge tires for Atlanta and Daytona. | ||
| David Moore (Speedmoore)
Junior Member Username: Speedmoore Post Number: 72 Registered: 4-2003 |
"David, I would probably use Dunlops. Do you have a used Pirelli supplier? My used supplier can only sell Dunlops from the Grand Am series. Problem right now on the rears as they have a different shape than the Pirelli's. I need just about another 1/4 inch of room." Hi Rob, You will spend less money in the long run and have better tires, and no exactly what you have by buying new. When I first started racing in the early 80's myself, I could not afford new tires and bought used. Of course I was in college and bought generic beer a few times too ;-) Sometimes they were great other times.....well they put me off the track because even with full tread indicators, they had heat cycled out. One of my jobs as a race engineer and crew chief is to keep track of not only tire wear but heat cycles. Heat cycles 9 times out of 10 cause a tire to be unuseable rather than being used up or flat spotted. The tires you buy used are tires discarded by others who have heat cycled them out of use or found they had no grip prematurely and got rid of them by leaving them with the tire changer guys at the track. Yes, there are a few that may have only gone 3 or 4 cycles, but that is just not the case 99% of the time. This is just from my experience, so take it as you wish. If you buy new, you can be the one that stores the tire properly, keeps track of the heat cycles and fully utilizes the value of the tire. I know they are not cheap, but they are very cheap insurance when you think of the consequences of losing grip and flying off the track damaging your car because you cut corners. Find some other place to curb your budget. Stay in a cheaper hotel, or make sandwiches for lunch at work....or something. Don't give up your tires. Tires are one of the MOST important assets a racer must learn to conserve and use wisely. It's the last contact between you and the road. My professional opinion....judge as you like. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6101 Registered: 12-2000 |
David, I would probably use Dunlops. Do you have a used Pirelli supplier? My used supplier can only sell Dunlops from the Grand Am series. Problem right now on the rears as they have a different shape than the Pirelli's. I need just about another 1/4 inch of room. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2926 Registered: 2-2001 |
Actually thats on slicks. What kind of tires do you have to use in this series ? | ||
| David Moore (Speedmoore)
Junior Member Username: Speedmoore Post Number: 71 Registered: 4-2003 |
"I'm sure I can do a 0:58 & probably better at Lime Rock, I am expecting low 2:00 at Watkins Glen." 58 at lime rock on DOT tires is pretty damn good. If I remember correctly, that's what was on pole in Speedvision World Challenge a few years ago with the BFG TA G-Force. Some of the P-cup cars are right at 2.00 at the Glen Not too shabby. Should be now problemo. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2924 Registered: 2-2001 |
Hi Dave thansk, i'm still getting used to the car. I'm sure I can do a 0:58 & probably better at Lime Rock, I am expecting low 2:00 at Watkins Glen. This summer was my first time out with the car so I was just feeling it out. I was doing 1:03 at LRP using about 50% of the cars potential. the thing is awesomely fast | ||
| will h (Willh)
Junior Member Username: Willh Post Number: 191 Registered: 3-2003 |
David, you have mail. Please give me a call at your convenience. Regards, Will | ||
| David Moore (Speedmoore)
Junior Member Username: Speedmoore Post Number: 70 Registered: 4-2003 |
William said "My 512TR racer is a 1992, Gordon up at Hudson Historics is taking care of it . I'll contact HSR but Gordon seems to think that it will get in" Cool. You'll have to run it in Historic IMSA GT. Only the Challenge cars are in USAGT. But I will contact Dave Stone if you want to run in the USAGT. I'd have to know what lap times the car is doing at some of the major tracks for comparison. Lemme know D | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2921 Registered: 2-2001 |
My 512TR racer is a 1992, Gordon up at Hudson Historics is taking care of it . I'll contact HSR but Gordon seems to think that it will get in | ||
| David Moore (Speedmoore)
Junior Member Username: Speedmoore Post Number: 68 Registered: 4-2003 |
"HSR is the series I want to get into next year with my 512TR" William I appreciate your interest, but that car may not be legal to run in HSR as I don't recall them really being at the race track. The cutoff for "regular" vintage cars is 1993 chassis cars that raced in IMSA, FIA. The 355 and 360 cars in addition to the 348 challenge cars are legal to run in the USAGT series and will have a seperate class once we get enough cars in the field. There is a few old F-cars that still race. My hats off to the Ed and Leslie Davies. They run a 512BBLM (Leslie) and Ed shows up with who knows from his awesome collection of vintage Ferrari's I've worked with Ed both professionally and vintagewise and actually extended a footbox for him on his old 1971 512M. There are a few other's that run, and even some 250 GTO clones, etc. There is a new WSC class that formed in HSR this season. I hope it continues, as I have fond memories of being a crew chief on the Riley Scott Fords competing against Kevin Doran and the 333SP. I've talked with some guys lately, that plan on running their 333SP and maybe an old Spice/Ferrari Camel light car or two. The cars are out there. It's our job to help Enzo get some rest, as from my view point, he will continue to roll over in the grave until we are able to get the old Ferraris out of the garages and museums and onto the track where they were intended to be. David | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2917 Registered: 2-2001 |
HSR is the series I want to get into next year with my 512TR. My schedule right now is Full of law books , Maybe November I might catch some track time in the race car | ||
| David Moore (Speedmoore)
Junior Member Username: Speedmoore Post Number: 67 Registered: 4-2003 |
Martin: Your car would look really sweet with USAGT decals on her......Atlanta and especially Daytona is in your backyard. D | ||
| David Moore (Speedmoore)
Junior Member Username: Speedmoore Post Number: 66 Registered: 4-2003 |
Martin said "David, is that the lady that bought the 355 we were talking about a few months back?" Yes, that's her, and she is beginnnig to kick ass! I have been coaching her pretty hard and worked with her one on one at the track several days at TWS a few months back. We then had her off to Bondurant for a week long course for the entry level basics. From there, she went straight to Skip Barber at Lime Rock for advance schooling. And then she went back for the advanced race school. She's been going to every open track day at TWS that she and I can handle schedulewise. Let me tell you, she's not playing. She is having great FUN :-) She's serious about racing and has wanted to do so all her life. She is on a mission and her progress is absolutely amazing. It gives me the greatest satisfaction to help someone learn how to drive competively. It's passing the torch you know. Really, when you think about a racing shop, we are in the "Entertainment Business". So when the customers are happy, we are happy. Everybody has a big smile with this project. We've made some big break throughs lately and she was posting faster times at TWS last weekend than a number of the regular 360 Challenge racers. So I'm VERY pleased and she is going faster everytime, hasn't plateu-ed yet. So I hope everything goes well at Atlanta. Speaking of Atlanta, we need cars. I've politiced hard to get the Ferrari's allowed to run USAGT as is and it looks like we will be able to keep our Pirelli's on the car even with Dunlop sponsoring the series just to get F-cars in there. Also, any 360's that want to come to Daytona, we will be allowing the GT wing. One thing about Daytona, it's VERY fast. HSR does have a rule that you've had to be in competition with that particular car somewhere before coming to Daytona. So unfortunately, but smart, first timers will not be allowed to run Daytona. However, a challenge race, SCCA race, or other races with good competition at the approval of the Competition Director, will suffice to fulfill those requirements. Road Atlanta is in just a few weeks and will have the rookie orientation school for that event and what a cool track. It has more elevation change than even Laguna Seca. It's way cool. The USAGT series in HSR has huge potential. But the fields are still too small to survive. WE NEED HELP especially at the last two races (Atlanta and Daytona). We've been able to secure room for the Ferrari Challenge cars without us putting up big dinero, just come and run. I know of (3) 360 challenge cars that will join us at Daytona and hope more of you will take note and get with the program......that's exactly why I posted this....hopefully you guys and gals will realize that it's not everyday that a series comes along and opens its arms to our F-cars and really there is no place to run 355's and 348's in competition without a bang your fender mentality you have in SCCA. BTW, the Daytona race will be in conjunction with Grand Am, so there will be lots to do and great parties in the evening being the season closer. I'd love to see at least a DOZEN of Challenge cars show up and steal the show. It would be a great momentum booster to have even a greater presence for next year. So please, anyone seriously intersted, please contact me at [email protected] I'll walk you through licensing with HSR, give you the scoop, what you need to anticipate, etc, etc.  | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5879 Registered: 5-2001 |
David, is that the lady that bought the 355 we were talking about a few months back? This is what my car ended up looking like:  Good luck! Tell her I said hi! | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6100 Registered: 12-2000 |
Dana rocks! This chick is awesome. Met her at our South Central FCA annual meet. David put on a 30 day tag for her and she drove this car hundreds of miles around San Antonio over the weekend. You could hear it 2 miles away as she red lined it going through the gears. Dana, David, and this car rock! Nice to be out there with you in this series next year. | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 779 Registered: 6-2002 |
David- great number Good luck, may your fluids always be at temp! Best! Ben. | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Intermediate Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 1013 Registered: 4-2002 |
Good luck on the shakedown run! | ||
| David Moore (Speedmoore)
Junior Member Username: Speedmoore Post Number: 65 Registered: 4-2003 |
Here's photos of the first USAGT Ferrari as it heads to TWS for testing this weekend. It will debut at the Atlanta Historics HSR race on Sept. 11-14. http://hsrrace.com/events_atlanta2.htm For details you can contact me direct or go to the HSR website: http://hsrrace.com/     |