| Author | Message | ||
| Ryan Sabga (Sherpa23)
Junior Member Username: Sherpa23 Post Number: 117 Registered: 5-2003 |
Ah, James at FoBH had a customer bring in a yellow 360 this past wekend for me to look at. I thought maybe that was yours but it isn't. It was pretty nice but I decided to pass. You're right, though. That yellow looks absolutely killer, especially with a challenge grill. | ||
| rick ramage (720)
New member Username: 720 Post Number: 21 Registered: 7-2003 |
hi ryan, i just traded my yellow 360 modena to OC ferrari. it has about 5700 miles. it was fairly distinctive because it had black daytona seats with yellow piping  i love yellow on ferraris. i have a red 360 modena also and i'm ordering a yellow stradale to replace my yellow modena. | ||
| Ryan Sabga (Sherpa23)
Junior Member Username: Sherpa23 Post Number: 116 Registered: 5-2003 |
Rick, Your yellow car wouldn't happen to have 4470 miles on it, shields, calipers, Daytona seats, and be from Ferrari of Dallas, would it? | ||
| Mark Moon (Enzomoon)
Member Username: Enzomoon Post Number: 254 Registered: 4-2002 |
Rick: Congrats! I think what you are about to get is very special and that will be borne out a decade from now IMHO. Enjoy!! Regards, Mark | ||
| rick ramage (720)
New member Username: 720 Post Number: 20 Registered: 7-2003 |
loud, too loud, quiet. i guess it's personal preference. i drive my 360s everyday about 25 miles. i just ordered a 360 stradale so i won't have first hand experience with the sound for a few more months but i did hear a stradale at the dealership. they fired it up and nailed it several times. the hair on your neck sticks straight out! if we had been outside i'm sure dogs would have barked and birds would have fallen from the trees! i can't wait to get mine! but if i had to drive several hours everyday i would probably drive my MB S55 AMG rather than any flavor of 360. but if you like to drive a ferrari on short trips for fun i like the idea of leaving "barking dogs and bird feathers" in my wake | ||
| Nebula Class (Nebulaclass)
Member Username: Nebulaclass Post Number: 415 Registered: 11-2002 |
For those saying that "too loud" is a sign of non-sporting, I disagree. I had a 93 Mustang 5.0 LX that I extensively modified. In addition to a Cobra intake and GT40X akum heads, I put BBK equal length shorty headers, a BBK H-pipe, Flowmaster 2 chambers muffs, and dumps immediately after the muffs. Damn the thing sounded SWEET, and you could literally hear from blocks away. As much as I loved the car and the noise, I just could not stand it after a few months, and I had new tailpiped installed. Loud is beautiful and amazing, but it does get old after a few hundred miles. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1531 Registered: 8-2001 |
A couple of club members who goes on drives with me will be getting their CS in a few months. It will be interesting to hear the cars in person and see if the owners could put up with the extra loudness after some extended driving. | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1229 Registered: 10-2001 |
For those who still havent seen this video and who dont know what the Stradale is all about ! http://www.evostuhl.de/videos/stradale.mpg | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1222 Registered: 10-2001 |
Saw 2 stradales today in Paris . My god ! They are loud ! I saw them at Spa and thought they sounded good but the Silver i saw did WOT a few meter from me , sounded like the apocalypse ! I hope they will be US legal that way ! | ||
| Paul Loussia (Bumboola)
Junior Member Username: Bumboola Post Number: 165 Registered: 3-2003 |
Right on, Ben. I am amazed that some of the British road testers "complained" about the noise. It's only REALLY loud when you use the right pedal in anger. Anybody that complains about that should be driving a Lexus, not a Ferrari. I've done the Spider thing twice now and I'm really itching for an F-40 type of ride. | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 825 Registered: 6-2002 |
Rick- Indoors?! I am ASTONISHED you did not go deaf. Did they rev it at all? It is only a tad louder than a Modena untill 5500rpms, then the valve opens and it is LOUD AS HELL! It's astonishing, you can literally hear this car for MILES away. From a semi-reliable source, the loud side of the muffler is totally unsilence, straight race pipes. Recent quote from CAR magazine: "...and when the 360 does arrive in a blaze of searing sun-blitzed yellow, dogs are barking and birds are falling out of trees. It's a profoundly life-enhancing sound for sure, but if this exhaust is legal, so's driving at 200mph in the rain on bald tires. Talking on a mobile phone. To Saddam Hussein." PS: I do agree, standard 355 and 360 exhausts are WAY too quiet! (even though they're loud enough stock to be baned from Laguna Seca and need replacement. Cargraphic is the best sounding 360 exhaust I have ever heard. While I think the Stradale sounds awesome, and granted I haven't ridden INSIDE one yet, it's just insane for road use. Kinda cool though, and keep it below 5500 in your neighborhood, and no one will really know I just think most buyers will be surprised. Best! Ben. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Intermediate Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 1181 Registered: 8-2001 |
Andrew, email me so I can send you my cell # and such, I found an AMAZING road to take the F-cars. | ||
| rick ramage (720)
New member Username: 720 Post Number: 8 Registered: 7-2003 |
i have a friend who works for FNA. he is involved with their challenge race program (he's a tech guy). he drove the stradale at fiorano and was ESTATIC about the car. claims it is the best car ferrari has ever made (and this guy rarely gets excited about anything). he said to buy one if you can get one and keep this car for the long haul. it's VERY special. he said the 420 (or whatever the 360 replacement will be called) will not be as good as the stradale. it may have more HP than the 360, but it will not have the ceramic brakes nor the sweet aerodynamics of the stradale. however, the 420 will be quieter and will have nicer creature comforts such as carpet, radios, etc. | ||
| J.D. Smythe (Jeff)
Member Username: Jeff Post Number: 253 Registered: 2-2001 |
Art My dealer agrees with you. He talked me out of trading my 2002 Spider for a CS. My dealer knows I'll be getting the 360 replacement car when it comes out. He would rather have my spider sitting on his floor than a used CS. There is going to be a "limited" market for a used CS. | ||
| Kds (Kds)
Junior Member Username: Kds Post Number: 143 Registered: 5-2003 |
Even if it's 900 worldwide it's a LOT in my humble opinion. Nothing is hard to get nowadays. Whatever the true differences are in resale prices 3-10 years from now, in most cases TODAY, lease companies are going to assign a 2-3% variance up "or" down, in the residual value at the end of your lease because of this option I would imagine....if anything at all. The ones I use do not adjust for it, so they forsee it as being no big deal. The GT2 doesn't have a higher percentage than a regular Turbo as an example if I leased you one, but on the other hand a cabrio (regardless of the marque) always gets more than it's coupe version all day long. They'll want to know if you intend to "track it" of course............. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Advanced Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 2556 Registered: 6-2001 |
There too loud. I think its a perfect car for the guy or gal that wants to spend a lot of time at the track, and drive the car occassionally to the track. I don't think that the value will hold up as well as the Modena for those reasons, the market is limited. Art | ||
| Robert (Rjklein4470)
Member Username: Rjklein4470 Post Number: 291 Registered: 3-2002 |
I absolutly adore this car I love the concept, and I love the 360, but for $200k, I think I would be getting a GT-2. I would take the extra $30k or so and put it in the Enzo fund. | ||
| N'din (Abangdin)
Junior Member Username: Abangdin Post Number: 55 Registered: 7-2003 |
http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/21/309059.html?1062253597 From this post, it looks like the most dealers have sold their allocations. 900 for NA may be a lot. But 900 for the whole world, now that is not much. | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1219 Registered: 10-2001 |
Will the US version be as loud as the Euro ? I hope it will ! | ||
| rick ramage (720)
New member Username: 720 Post Number: 4 Registered: 7-2003 |
i saw (and heard) the european version of the stradale at beverly hill ferrari about a month ago. the fired it up inside the showroom for a minute and it sounded very aggressive. BUT it did not make anybody in the room cry quite the contrary. it made a lot of us smile! i like the thought if driving a "race-like" ferrari on the street so i'm glad the stradale sounds like a race car. i love the 360 modena, but it the stock exhaust sound is a bit too tame don't you think? | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 818 Registered: 6-2002 |
I think these cars are going to flip pretty fast, at least innitially. Most people who have bought one sight-unseen will be UNPREPARED for just how RAW and LOUD the car is! It's really insane, the loud pipes are *straight* there is NO MUFFLER!!! At a recent car show, it was so loud that when just started and bliped a few times (stationary) it made small children cry. Best! Ben. | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1217 Registered: 10-2001 |
Ricky , Congratulations in advance for your Marriage ! All the best for you and your wife ! I hope i can go to Ny before starting university again, not too sure though , but if i do , we must have a drive again along with James ( If you can ! ). Will, sadly i wont be going to Miami this year..Would have loved to get back together again ! You ll never be coming to NY/Ct again ? How law school so far ? Best to all of you ! | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2494 Registered: 10-2002 |
I would have them painted on. I think they look good on the CS. | ||
| gian maria traversone (Giamma)
Junior Member Username: Giamma Post Number: 87 Registered: 10-2002 |
about the stripes I am beginning to like them, about the price I really think ferrari DOES NOT want to make them, I think they put the price on them so that you go somewhere else to put them on. I saw them in Geneva autoshow and they did not even looked neetly done. Any top of the line paint shop in Europe or USA can meke them flawlessly for not more then $1000. Over here in CR I can probably make then for 200.... And by the way what do you guys think about them, would you put them on a CS? GM | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2491 Registered: 10-2002 |
Gian That sounds like you've got it figured out. You live in a very beautifull country. I really enjoyed my visit. Best JRV Hey you think it's easy to make a profit on $5,000 racing stripes? | ||
| gian maria traversone (Giamma)
Junior Member Username: Giamma Post Number: 86 Registered: 10-2002 |
James, roads are nice , service is unexisting. But, as I did in teh past , I offer a ferrari mechanic to come down with the SD2 box ( the scanner for the 360) and I pay for his little vacation, in exchange for a service on the car. It worked out great and if I look at my cost is probabbly close to pay the service in an official ferrari dealer. GM | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2352 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>for semi-comparison, there are only about 900 550 maranellos in NA and their prices have been in steep decline. <, and there are less than 900 Boxers in the US total of all variants...and they declined... and F-40's....when trying to find buyers of second hand cars with no warranty for over retail, one certianly has their work cut out for themselves (unless they are in the car Biz, and have the tongue the spins the golden thread) Ferrari is selling cars at a loss now ???? { } | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2490 Registered: 10-2002 |
Gian What's it like driving exotics where you live? Can you get good service? The mountian roads there are very beautiful but I wouldn't want to make a mistake! Best | ||
| gian maria traversone (Giamma)
Junior Member Username: Giamma Post Number: 85 Registered: 10-2002 |
I have been offered from my dealer to receive the CS back next year for the same price I am paying now, that is no investment but it's pretty good for a street car. | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member Username: Doody Post Number: 1629 Registered: 11-2001 |
for semi-comparison, there are only about 900 550 maranellos in NA and their prices have been in steep decline. no way they're losing money. they'd just up the price to cover the costs and margin. why on earth would they lose money? they know they can sell all 900 of them. doody. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2489 Registered: 10-2002 |
N'din IMHO 900 is not scarce. In addition I seriously doubt Ferrari is losing money on the Stradale. Very few Ferrari's are investments esp. compared to the recent run up in the US equity markets. Andrew The trick to collecting is having an eye that see's beauty before other's do. Once everyone wants something the moment is gone. You're probably right about depreciating somewhat more slowly but things that depreciate aren't investements. Look forward to seeing you. Best | ||
| N'din (Abangdin)
New member Username: Abangdin Post Number: 36 Registered: 7-2003 |
The Stradale's depreciation will be very slow. It's a great car and to top it all it's in limited production. Only 900 units and 10% of that is in RHD. So only 800 units for LHD. That's scarce !! I was told by the regional dealer, the factory made a mistake in pricing the Stradale. They are not making money from it. Maybe that's the other reason why Luca decided to limit the production !!! This will be a collectors' car. I'm sure of that. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2945 Registered: 2-2001 |
Hey Andrew, I'm in Miami now, in law school, of all things , let me know if you are in town | ||
| Ricky Nardis (Rickyn_f355)
Member Username: Rickyn_f355 Post Number: 441 Registered: 8-2002 |
hey, i moved to london in july but am back to home to get married on sept 13...i will be here until the beginning of oct...definitely drop me a line when you get in... sorry about the confusion...i should have known better...same situation here... anyway, see you at the end of the month | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1215 Registered: 10-2001 |
Hi Ricky , how are you ? I thought u were in London already ? Will you still be in NY by mid september/erly october ? im planning a trip to see my dad .Would be nice to have another drive together. That wasnt my mom but my dads second wife . Sorry i didnt tell you back in NY. | ||
| Ricky Nardis (Rickyn_f355)
Member Username: Rickyn_f355 Post Number: 440 Registered: 8-2002 |
andrew, saw your dad and mom in the Westchester couple weeks ago. I had my 355 and your dad had the Diablo...sweet car...your parents were really nice. Your mom said it's nice to see young people enjoying a ferrari... :-) sorry to hijack this thread. | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1214 Registered: 10-2001 |
How will the 360 CS devaluate compared to a reg 360 Modena ? I think it will devaluate much slower and will keep much better residuals..much like the 512M compared to the 512 TR no ? How many are planned ? I ve read around 900 exemplars ? |