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Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Username: Djparks
Post Number: 601
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 05, 2003 - 12:59 pm: | |
If the oil is too thin it doesn't matter |
Ali Haas (Aehaas)
Junior Member
Username: Aehaas
Post Number: 98
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 05, 2003 - 5:10 am: | |
The best way to have improved engine cooling through your oil is to use a thinner oil. More oil flow means better lubrication and cooler engine. Both reduce wear.
If your oil is already too thick for your application then cooling it further with also thicken your oil and decrease lubrication, decrease performance and may actually increase wear.
ali |
'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member
Username: Peter
Post Number: 3059
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 10:33 pm: | |
The 365 Boxers had oil heat-exchangers just like the V-6 Dino's. Oddly (but not surprisingly) after S/N: 17847, they discontinued the heat-exchanger. Maybe they found out that it could run without them (or as I suspect, they probably leaked allowing coolant into the oil and vice-versa).
Laminova makes aftermarket ones and you can find it here (available through Think Automotive in the UK).
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Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Username: Djparks
Post Number: 584
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 11:32 am: | |
What was Ferrari thinking? No room? Cost?
DJ |
Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Username: Djparks
Post Number: 583
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 11:30 am: | |
Just to add to the discussion. If any of you are familiar with a 240Z straight 6 you would know the oil filter sticks straight out from the side of the block and although it makes for messy oil changes it is exposed to air passing through the radiator and around the engine.
I have since mounted it via high pressure lines to a vertical position on the frame rail just aft of the engine cross member. No more mess and better,cooler airflow. I have a deflector plate below the filter for protection from flying road kill. Kool as a Kukumber.
DJ |
James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
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Username: Napolis
Post Number: 2518
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 11:24 am: | |
Those of us who raced them sure did. (And do) |
Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Username: Djparks
Post Number: 582
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 11:23 am: | |
Good point
DJ |
Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member
Username: Parkerfe
Post Number: 2903
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 11:20 am: | |
Oldslow308, I suppose Ferrari thought the dry sump engine of the BB512i did not need an oil cooler. |
Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Username: Djparks
Post Number: 581
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 10:10 am: | |
Even my POS 308 has an oil cooler. I find this amazing that Ferrari didn't see the need.
DJ |
Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Username: Djparks
Post Number: 580
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 10:08 am: | |
Silly me, assuming a high performance car would have an oil cooler. I stand corrected. How about a fan for your oil filter? :-)
DJ |
Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member
Username: Parkerfe
Post Number: 2898
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 8:07 am: | |
I believe it will lower the oil temp some, I just don't know by how much. Anytime you increase the surface area of something hot it will cool better, finned or not. On my Boxer the two oil filters are on the bottom front of the engine and get a lot of air flow. I'm going to order a couple and will report back if I notice an oil temp drop of the gauge. N'din, since Ferrari rarely uses the most up to date technology on its production cars,why would you think they would include something like this on them ? They didn't even include an oil cooler of any type on the Boxer which was their flagship car at the time. Ferrari doesn't include Tubi exhaust, and many other high tech parts that have been around for years on their production cars either. That's why there is an aftermarket. |
Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
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Username: Paulie_b
Post Number: 720
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 6:20 am: | |
I'm not sure how effective the cooling would be within the compartment of a 360. |
N'din (Abangdin)
New member
Username: Abangdin
Post Number: 49
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 7:07 pm: | |
If it's any good Ferrari and Porsche would have fitted them as OEM.
The fins are so small compared to the cooling that it has to do. It just won't work. Don't waste your money. |
jeff ryerson (Atheyg)
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Username: Atheyg
Post Number: 432
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 5:39 pm: | |
check out
Http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/shopcart/911M/por_911M_911REC_pg21.htm
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Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member
Username: Parkerfe
Post Number: 2894
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 2:18 pm: | |
Paul, you can order them on-line at www.jegs.com or find them in your local auto parts store. OLDSLOW308, the Boxer has no OEM oil cooler. That was why I was considering buying the finned oil filter covers/coolers . |
Oldslow308 (Djparks)
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Username: Djparks
Post Number: 575
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 1:58 pm: | |
They are called heat sinks and are used in electronics all of the time. You need air flow around them to optimise.
Check a Hotrod Shop or custom Car Craft magazines. They do work. They also come in chrome.
Forced air flow on your oil cooler would be the best way to go when stopped in traffic, as long as it doesn't immpede flow at high speeds. Check for miniature cooling fans used on Econodrags, found at speed shops 6 to 8" diameter. Jegs catalogue etc....
DJ |
Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
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Username: Paulie_b
Post Number: 713
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 1:56 pm: | |
Frank, where did you find this item? |
djmonk (Davem)
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Username: Davem
Post Number: 392
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 1:42 pm: | |
Might make a diffrence to where exactly your filter is located an how much air flows around it |
Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member
Username: Parkerfe
Post Number: 2892
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:12 pm: | |
I have seen them on a lot of custom cars, hotrods and motorcyles and they are claimed to lower the oils temp. by 10f-20f via the increased surface area created by the fins. . They are made out of billet aluminum and look like an oil filter but are hollow and have cooling fins on them. They just slide over your OEM oil filter. They come in various sizes to fit most oil filters on the market. They're only $15 or so a piece so I thought I may give them a try. |
Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member
Username: T88power
Post Number: 1682
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:01 pm: | |
Frank, are those covers OEM? I hope you are not suggesting installing a non-OEM part on your Ferrari!
Ernesto |
djmonk (Davem)
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Username: Davem
Post Number: 390
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 11:48 am: | |
Frank. If i recall correctly they might make the oil hotter however marginable that might be.
Adding more insulation over a hot piece of metal is all it comes down to. |
Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Member
Username: Paulie_b
Post Number: 712
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 11:38 am: | |
Frank, fit over an oil filter? Do you know if they make them for 360's? I have only seen the ones that fit over the crankcase. |
Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member
Username: Parkerfe
Post Number: 2891
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 11:11 am: | |
Has anyone ever used those finned covers that fit over an oil filter that is supposed to help lower the temp. of the engine oil ? If so, do they really work ? |