| Author | Message | ||
| Adnaan Rasool (Adnaan)
New member Username: Adnaan Post Number: 36 Registered: 4-2003 |
The interior is is acutally in really good condition. The carpets dont actually need replacing, but only needs to be glued back down. The leather is also in very good condition too. Its hardly scratched or worn, and only needs to valeted to bring the car out looking its best again. As for the 355 wheels on the mondial. They do look good, but I always prefer originality. But as long as its ferrari wheels i can live with it! | ||
| steve coleby (Ferraridriver)
Junior Member Username: Ferraridriver Post Number: 140 Registered: 6-2003 |
Davehanda Mondial T's with 355 wheels look good too! Cheers Steve  | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 354 Registered: 9-2002 |
AS everbody has said get a qv, its not as quick as a qv 308 but is quick enough, I enjoyed the one I had, it was as civilised to use every day as my 911 is now (the mondial was quieter!) the only problem was the odd glitch with the electrics and a broken handbrake cable that took me 2 weeks to replace (long long story involving lots of swearing, 3 different cables and a goat!) for running around London its one of the best to get (without spending a fortune on an f1 or auto car), The usual sources who advertise in the FOC news should help with parts and carpets (if there not that good it doesnt cost too much to replace), whilst the inside is in bit you could re-conolise the leather, Croftgate do a spray on kit for about �70 that works wonders Oh and don't forget that Jeff at F UK can get almost any bit and can be helpfull when you dont know exactly what part you need! If I can think of anything else I'll let you know! | ||
| Adnaan Rasool (Adnaan)
New member Username: Adnaan Post Number: 35 Registered: 4-2003 |
I'll have to track down your car, as it sounds like I was destined to have it!!! | ||
| Adnaan Rasool (Adnaan)
New member Username: Adnaan Post Number: 34 Registered: 4-2003 |
Andrew- thanks for the email regarding the number plate. Unfortunately the number plate was different, so must be a different car. How was your mondial? Would you recommend one??? | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 353 Registered: 9-2002 |
Adnaan, got your mail and sent one right back, looks like my junior will be spending monday copying the mondial workshop n parts manuals!! pity about the car not being the same, mine was originally owned by Dodi Fayed, it was purchased for him by Adnaan kashogi(aparantley) so the tie up would have been fun, oh well if you can't do an online HPI (uk equiv to carfax for our US friends)Verdi have a HPI terminal so they may be able to do one cheaply! | ||
| Adnaan Rasool (Adnaan)
New member Username: Adnaan Post Number: 33 Registered: 4-2003 |
Mick thanks for the advice. Im told the engine has not suffered any damage. But to be safe I will have a full independant inspection done by another friend of mine (I have a lot of friend in the ferrari community!). The guy who will do the PPI works as a senior mechanic for Verdi Ferrari here in London. He advised me not to go for the yellow one as the engine had been changed. If the car is a dog then it will come out on the PPI. | ||
| Mick Andriesse (8valve)
New member Username: 8valve Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2003 |
Hi Adnaan! All I can think of reading your story and the subsequent thread is two things: 1)The thieves have mishandeled the S*** out of the car(maybe with a dead cold engine...) 2)What a beautiful colour! (my 308GTB is the same Blu Sera) I hate to think about the irreversible damage that this car might have, that is not noticeable now but will reveal itself later on down the road.Take your time looking for another one,is my humble advise. | ||
| Adnaan Rasool (Adnaan)
New member Username: Adnaan Post Number: 32 Registered: 4-2003 |
Russ - I agree with your comments. Cheers for the advice One thing I forgot to mention is that my friend who owns the blue one owns a garage which specialises in servicing italian cars. He's always working on ferrari's, mainly 246 Dino's, 308's and other older models. On top of that this is his 6th ferrari, so he knows a fair bit. Ive known him for about 10 years now and he is an honest guy. He bought the car from auction and has not driven it much since. I think he only put about 500 miles on the clock in about a year before it got stolen. The theiving bloodsucking scumbags who stole the car only added 150 miles to the car before they killed the clutch. After that they couldnt drive it so was put into storage. A bit of a blessing really cos it limited the damage they done to the car. Dave tells me he's checked the mechanicals and they are fine. The engine started fine, but the clutch meant that it couldnt be driven. Just before he got the car back, the insurance company was about to settle with him. He now has to sort out 1. If he will take the money. 2. If he will keep the car and let the insurance pay for the repairs. 3. Not take any money from the insurance and pay for the parts himself. When I spoke to him last week he was still trying to sort it out with them. I popped over to see him today, but he had taken the day off. May give him a call on his mobile.. | ||
| Adnaan Rasool (Adnaan)
New member Username: Adnaan Post Number: 31 Registered: 4-2003 |
I agree that going backwards is not a good option. But if I did decide to go for the yellow cab then the ppi should pick up any faults. Its still tempting, but if it has a leaky roof, then it will make the car less usable.. Andrew - sent you a private mail with the license plate. I dont want to give it out here as the car is not mine, but it is an A reg. If you didnt get the email then please email me: [email protected]. Also I would be interested in the manuals even if this car was not yours.. | ||
| Russ Turner (Snj5)
Member Username: Snj5 Post Number: 452 Registered: 2-2003 |
If you can spring for the coupe, here are the advantages: It's a factory QV - newer, much more umph, fewer unknowns While expensive a bit, all those interior things are do-able, and do not require a dealer technician. Parts may have to be sourced second hand in some cases, but no bfd. Blue is a good color. As has been stated before, would ensure the title is good. In addition, even though it's your friend's, would still do a ppi to assess unseen damage by the thieves, especially to the chassis/body. Good luck - while I advise remaining wary - this could be a good opportunity. best rt | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 352 Registered: 9-2002 |
just another thing, is the blue car on the HPI register, if it is then you will have probs selling the car for more than �6-7K | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 351 Registered: 9-2002 |
adnaan, whats the reg of your friends blueQV, had one identical a few years ago (even down to the stick on shields on the front wing) still have a copy of the workshop and parts manuals I'd run from the yellow one, and if you see a mondial8 up near chester don't waste your time looking the cars bear rough and belongs to a very very dodgy dealer | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1783 Registered: 5-2001 |
Joe, Probably not, but the fact that the owner went in the "backwards" direction, shows someone trying to "save money"...which means they very likely scrimped on other things too....stepping up to a 3.2 motor shows someone not worried about repairs/maintenance (to me), and a car more likely to be well cared for. Never was a big fan of the stock 348 wheels. Slapping them on another Ferrari doesn't seem like much of an improvement for me...Love 348's with 355 wheels or the Speedline offerings.. | ||
| Joe Craven (Rscapri2600)
Junior Member Username: Rscapri2600 Post Number: 62 Registered: 7-2002 |
DaveHanda says "and much more potential than that "franken-Ferrari" piece of sh*t" Dave, if they had dropped in a 3.2 in place of the 3.0 QV, would your opinion still be the same? It's not like they modified much, i.e. Ford V-8 in place of Ferrari motor. | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1780 Registered: 5-2001 |
Both cars are serious "fixer uppers", but your friend's car has much less risk, and much more potential than that "franken-Ferrari" piece of sh*t. | ||
| djmonk (Davem)
Member Username: Davem Post Number: 398 Registered: 1-2002 |
They drove it like they stole it!! Well aahh they did! Hmmm worried about other damage to drivetrain. Think coupe is better for your weather though. | ||
| Sam Germana (Sjmst)
Junior Member Username: Sjmst Post Number: 76 Registered: 7-2003 |
Adnaan: There is nothing wrong with the 8 engine. The "you can run faster" comment is cute, but if your budget can only accomodate an 8, go for it. As to the two specific cars you are looking at, they both seem somewhat compromised. If you can handle about $17,000, you can get a nice 8. If you can go for another 5,000, a nice quattrovalve. They are not that rare that you need to jump at one of these. Good luck Sam | ||
| Adnaan Rasool (Adnaan)
New member Username: Adnaan Post Number: 30 Registered: 4-2003 |
Cab is probably better value and definately rarer. But with so much rain over here for me it would turn into a summer car only. Especially with the leaky roofs they all have.... I want something to drive every weekend (except in snow). I thought about buying the yellow cab and selling it, but with the 2v engine I might get stuck with it. I dont have the spare cash to buy both and sell the yellow one over time, as im also in the process of buying an apartment for investment! Too many things happening at the same time... | ||
| Joe Craven (Rscapri2600)
Junior Member Username: Rscapri2600 Post Number: 61 Registered: 7-2002 |
Adnaan - you seem to be the "good deal" Mondial connection in the UK. They both look good, however I'm partial to the Cab version in the Mondial. However, the couple is more practical. Best luck | ||
| Adnaan Rasool (Adnaan)
New member Username: Adnaan Post Number: 29 Registered: 4-2003 |
Now you've got me thinking! I decided not to buy the car, and now i've read some of your comments im considering it again. I've also got another mondial in hand that belongs to a friend. Thats a coupe in blue with tan leather. And it has a QV engine! Maybe a little more money but still cheap.. Gonna see him tomorrow so gonna try and finalise a price. But there is a story to the car, and here it is: The story goes that the car belongs to my friend, who I was talking to about buying it in March. In april the car was stolen, at which point I forgot about the idea of buying one. Last month he got a call from the police to say it had been recovered, with a little damage. I took some pics a few weeks ago which ive been meaning to post on the site so here goes.     The car suffered a little damage in the hands of the thieving scumbags. They killed the clutch (which he has now replaced), ripped up the carpets (which now need to be stuck down), removed the central air vent (easy fix), ripped out the ignition barrel (dumb asses), bent one grill on the bonnet (not major), and finally scratched the rear right arch (minor damage). My mate who owns the car is on holiday, and he has to sort out the claim with the insurance company before he can sell the car. I expect all to ready in about 4 weeks. He will also fix all the damage (all relatively minor). Mechancially the coupe is better, and the condition is definately better. Anyway the saga of the car continues, and i'll let you know how it goes.... I considered the 400 series but figured the running costs wold kill me. The first Ferrari I ever sat in was a 412i so the shape has always been favoured by me. But in reality the mondial would suit my use and pocket better. As for the 308 GT4 its never really done it for me. Sorry to say but the Bertone styling has never really appealed, although I know they are a blast to drive. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Intermediate Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 1150 Registered: 10-2001 |
$12K sounds cheap enough to me! As long as the thing runs. Even with the 2v motor, the car is worth $8-10k as a parts car! How bad is the paint? If there's little/no rust, I don't see how you can go wrong. | ||
| Joe Craven (Rscapri2600)
Junior Member Username: Rscapri2600 Post Number: 59 Registered: 7-2002 |
Many of my cars are hybrids - LOL. 77 VW body, 83 motor, drivetrain and suspension. I'm still trying to figure out which master cylinder I have - LOL. I think my body is a 77, that is how bad it is but I enjoy the challenge. 1971 Capri, I won't even go into the changes on that car. I confuse the parts guys when I tell them I want Porsche 944 rear brake pads for my fronts, and 1977.... rear brakes. For rod bearings, I want.... 1973 Jensen Mk1, Mk2 interior fitted, Mk1 engine mated to Mk3 transmission, Mk1 rear end, custom drive shaft, etc. Getting back to the Mondial, $12K makes this car worth looking into from your description. 348 wheels - BONUS! Perfect interior, however the paint thing has me a bit concerned. The motor has less power, but if it was installed properly with the appropriate FI, and runs well and burns clean then I would seriously consider the car for a weekend 4 seater convertible. How fast do you want to go in a convertible anyways? With the money saved, you can almost get yourself another sports car with a hard roof for going faster. 85 Mondial Cab | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2911 Registered: 9-2001 |
If I wanted a four seat Ferrari, I would get another 400GT(a great car), a 365GT or a Dino 308GT4 . The Mondial just doesn't do it for me. | ||
| djmonk (Davem)
Member Username: Davem Post Number: 395 Registered: 1-2002 |
Agreed, who knows what other short cuts the P.O would have done elsewhere with that attitude. | ||
| denied (Ragtop)
New member Username: Ragtop Post Number: 50 Registered: 2-2003 |
Good call. Its hard enough to get parts for a car where you know the year and pedigree. I can't imagine finding an esoteric Mondial fitting for a year model "somewhere between 81 and 90". | ||
| Adnaan Rasool (Adnaan)
New member Username: Adnaan Post Number: 28 Registered: 4-2003 |
Guys thanks for all your comments. Here�s the update. Went to see the car yesterday. Opened the engine cover and was surprised to see a Mondial 8 engine in it! Dealer claimed he didn�t know the difference, and didn�t know the engine had been changed. Other than that the condition was excellent on the inside, and good on the outside. The inside was mint. The outside was in fair condition but could benefit from a few paint jobs. The bumpers were colour coded (yellow), and the car was fitted with 348 wheels. I have to admit the car looks very nice, even in yellow and the non standard wheels. I think the colour is probably original, but probably been repainted at times. Price wise I got the guy down to �8500 which is about $12000! Cheap hey. If it had the QV engine I would go for it, but I spoke to my mechanic at lunch who said not to touch it with a barge pole! He said I could run faster, not to mention the problems that may be lurking under the surface� | ||
| Ed P. (Ebp)
Junior Member Username: Ebp Post Number: 184 Registered: 12-2002 |
I agree with Jim E. Becareful! Creating a sense of urgency is one of the oldest sales tricks in the book.... | ||
| Sam Germana (Sjmst)
Junior Member Username: Sjmst Post Number: 73 Registered: 7-2003 |
Really. Maybe it is different in the UK, but I have never even SEEN a Yellow Mondial. Make sure not a respray. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 2480 Registered: 7-2001 |
Be careful with the old "I've got people lining up to buy it" scam. I sold my old truck that way to the ONLY person that expressed an interest. | ||
| Adnaan Rasool (Adnaan)
New member Username: Adnaan Post Number: 27 Registered: 4-2003 |
OK quick update before I go, Thanks loads for the comments. The owner of the garage is gonna meet me there to show me the car. Bonus. Still PPI to take place on Sunday, assuming I like it. Apparantly might have more history than I originally thought,so will check that out. I'll maybe post pics tonight, depending on what time i get back. CHeers again. | ||
| denied (Ragtop)
New member Username: Ragtop Post Number: 47 Registered: 2-2003 |
Yeah, my compressor story sucks. I bought the car with a non-OEM compressor on it and after several rebuilds and clutch adjustments, it still pukes oil on the alternator belt. I finally had enough and told my mechanic (different one from the one doing the original work) to "just make it right". This means new OEM compressor and new OEM clutch as well as a new pully for the alternator belt since the old one got glazed having an oily belt slipping through it. Long story short, non-OEM stuff may work but it may not. I would rather have it right than questionable. The point is that the condition of the car is key. Any little thing can amount to money later on. Oh, and that number was P&L. | ||
| Sam Germana (Sjmst)
Junior Member Username: Sjmst Post Number: 72 Registered: 7-2003 |
3,000 for A/C Compressor? Someone had posted here not long ago saying he put in a great one (non OEM) for app $500. | ||
| djmonk (Davem)
Member Username: Davem Post Number: 394 Registered: 1-2002 |
Your in England so hard to determine a good deal for us in the states. Im guessing cabrios dont command as much a premium on your side of the pond as they do here!? First things do a PPI, an don't rush into anything. Cheap Ferrari's almost always cost more in the end than the proper one, an still are worth less. | ||
| denied (Ragtop)
New member Username: Ragtop Post Number: 46 Registered: 2-2003 |
Do you have a reliable car as a daily driver? How cheap is "cheap"? How are the tires and are they metric? Definitely take it to a reliable mechanic to get it checked out. I bought my 84 QV cab after a thorough inspection that uncovered a few major issues. The clutch was slipping ($3000) and the AC compressor wasn't stock (another $3000). The tires need to be replaced and a new set of metrics runs $1000. Lucky for me the car was well documented and the services had been done otherwise I was looking at another $3-5K. As you can see, condition of the car is a much better indicator of value than price. That being said, I love my Mondial. Its relatively fast, handles great, and is a solid driver. Despite the fact that it is 20 years old, it still gets lots of looks and comments. The Mondial cab is a great way to get into your first Ferrari but you need to be aware that it is still a Ferrari. | ||
| Sam Germana (Sjmst)
Junior Member Username: Sjmst Post Number: 71 Registered: 7-2003 |
I'd like more information, but based on what you are saying, if the whole deal is contingent on a PPI coming back without any major problems (ie no more than about $5k needed for major service) than my simple advice is to go for it. I bought my Mondial under somewhat similar circumstances, and am happy. BTW, one reason the price may be low is that for a Mondial some may consider yellow an "off" color. I for one wouldn't go for yellow, but that is for no one to decide but you. Good luck! | ||
| Craig Dewey (Craigfl)
Member Username: Craigfl Post Number: 669 Registered: 1-2001 |
$10K is cheap --- How much are they asking? | ||
| Adnaan Rasool (Adnaan)
New member Username: Adnaan Post Number: 26 Registered: 4-2003 |
He says my mechanic can some to his garage and check the car over. But since his garage is so far from the mechanics, he wont allow the car to travel. Plus he doesnt need to since the car is cheap. He's got a line of people coming to see it on saturday. Thats why im gonna see the car tonight, and if I like put a deposit down through my credit card tomorrow morn. Unfortunately his showroom will be closed when I get there tonight, so I will only be able to walk round the car tonight. Wont be able to sit in as the car will be locked. Am I crazy?? I wont say just yet how much he wants for the car, but its less than the cost of a coupe. I figure if i put a small deposit down and the inspection comes out negative, then I will only lose a small amount. I hope this is not an impulsive bad decision.... | ||
| Dom Vitarella (Dom)
Member Username: Dom Post Number: 429 Registered: 11-2002 |
Get the PPI, find out what else is wrong with the car. Figure the major service will probably cost ~$5000 (or more depending on what else they find in the PPI). The lack of service history is not great, but I think a thorough PPI can offset that. If you can get the car cheap, and the PPI doesn't find too much wrong, I'd say go for it. Dom | ||
| Adnaan Rasool (Adnaan)
New member Username: Adnaan Post Number: 25 Registered: 4-2003 |
OK Quick question. Mondial QV Cabrio. Yellow with black leather (piping yellow). Good condition. Little service history. 60K miles on the clock. Just had a service (oil and filters). Probably needs a cambelt. Drives fine, and generally in good condition. Could do with a respray for a few paint chips and stuff, but nothin major. No rust apparently. Im getting the car cheap. SHould I buy??? Getting PPI on Sunday. Viewing tonight... |