| Author | Message | ||
| Alex Papas (Alexpapas)
Junior Member Username: Alexpapas Post Number: 75 Registered: 2-2003 |
In the real world, on public streets (dirty, dusty etc) the 360 picks up just a tad slower because the torque band is a little narrower and the revs need to get a bit higher than the 575 from a standing start. This is my personal experience. As for Road & Dreck and Crap & Driver, they adjust their times to take into account real world weather and location conditions, using some strange algorithms known only to them. Several years ago one of them published a clarification of how they come up with thier numbers and it was almost as good as if they found them on a ouiji board. They also have that tried and true method of supplying the manufacturers estimates. In light of that I don't consider published data in magazines to be "facts" at all. It's really worth buying a G-Timer or G-Tech and finding out exactly what YOU can do in your car. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 6163 Registered: 8-2002 |
LMAO...! This is a great thread... Being that i've never driven either car and never even ridden in a 360, i can only offer what i've heard/read, etc.... ...which has all been stated here, already, so i won't waste anyone's time. However, since the subject of drag racing has come up, i've always been quite curious as to why some drag racers spin the tires on take-off... This can be avoided with a little finesse and i've eaten a few 'sport compacts' in my Saturn, because of that very fact... (Please keep in mind that some of said sport compact owners didn't know how to drive in the first place; shifting too soon and so forth, so they were never fair races to begin with.  ) | ||
| mwg (Mikeg)
New member Username: Mikeg Post Number: 34 Registered: 8-2003 |
Good point Clax! I didnt see that. In the 0 -60 most pubs put the 550 slightly faster - but not all - which is why I asked the question that started this thread. | ||
| Clax (Clax)
Junior Member Username: Clax Post Number: 117 Registered: 10-2002 |
Mike, The last 3 stats on the 360 are metric figures (notice 62 mph, which equals 100 kmph), and the last 3 on the 550 are not metric. This could account for the difference. | ||
| mwg (Mikeg)
New member Username: Mikeg Post Number: 33 Registered: 8-2003 |
I guess it depends which publication you read. Almost all publications list the 550 as faster to 60 and faster top speed. Even Ferrari itself states the 550 is faster. www.ferrari.com 550  360 Modena  | ||
| John B (John_b)
Junior Member Username: John_b Post Number: 52 Registered: 5-2003 |
Not to confuse you guys with the facts but the 360 has a better power to weight ratio, lower 0-60 times and lower 1/4 mile times. Check out the index in the back of Road & Track, Car & Driver or Motor trend. | ||
| Jay P. Ross (Eilig)
Junior Member Username: Eilig Post Number: 250 Registered: 8-2001 |
Well it's not much of a story, but last year when I was in Germany with the rental 360, I was getting onto the Autobahn behind an M5. He nailed it on the onramp, and then waited for me once he got onto the highway. When I got up next to him in the left lane to pass, he looked over with a big smile, then nailed it. Of course I indulged. He got a little jump, but by the time I shifted out of third I already had about 2 car lengths, and by the time I shifted out of 4th, well, he was back there a little way. | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 842 Registered: 6-2002 |
Dan and Norm- I'll tape the "grudge match" ! (though my money's on Dan, especially if Faisal is nearby trying to kick up dirt onto the 550 in his TVR! ;) Damaging transmissions? Come on guys! Next thing you know you'll be telling me that living has been shown to lead to death. Have some FUN! Heck, I once held Noel's 348SS for nearly two full car-legenths in my FIERO for god's sake :P (then his wheels stoped spinning..) | ||
| martin j weiner,M.D. (Mw575)
Intermediate Member Username: Mw575 Post Number: 1183 Registered: 5-2001 |
Scott, Go to your room!! | ||
| Scott A. B. Collins (Scott)
Junior Member Username: Scott Post Number: 214 Registered: 6-2001 |
Marty's comments must assume that he is not the driver. A fast bicyclist could take his 575 by the time he wakes up from his nap and realizes that the race is on. So, Marty, going to the Portland track event tomorrow? All kiding aside, given equally skilled drivers I don't see how a 360 would take a 550 or 575--but I agree--in serious twisties it would be closer. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2998 Registered: 2-2001 |
that 575 launch control reminds me of what I heard up at Watkins Glen. A new BMW M3 with the fancy SMG transmission, well the fancy transmission exploded pouring oil & parts all over the track. I was not impressed with SMG after that | ||
| Alex Papas (Alexpapas)
Junior Member Username: Alexpapas Post Number: 71 Registered: 2-2003 |
I have an Escort G-timer and have recorded 4.28 0-60 in my 575 (F1) in Phoenix (+/- 1,000 ft above sea level). The 360 (also F1) hasn't been below 4.65. Interestingly my Mercedes S55 has recorded more than 10 runs between 4.40 and 4.45 with the least drama of all. The G-timer is a real fun tool especially when you have a bunch of flat straight roads with 1 mile between lights and no-one on them at 7.00 am on a Sunday. (Cactus, between 56th and 64th) I doubt that there are warranty issues involved because the 575 is sold outside of lawsuit crazy America with "Launch Control" designed tro give fastest starts from a standstill. | ||
| martin j weiner,M.D. (Mw575)
Intermediate Member Username: Mw575 Post Number: 1182 Registered: 5-2001 |
Agree with William-550 would take the 360 to 60 and the quarter mi.My 575 would dust the 360.(and the 550) | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2996 Registered: 2-2001 |
you cab accelerate hard in a Ferrari, just never do burnouts & let the car come up to 5mph or so before hammering it to avoid tearing up the driveline components. Its just that instant torque of drag racing that kills Ferrari transmissions that you want to avoid That said I'd put my $ on the 550 to gobble up the 360, On a windy track I'd move my $ over to the 360 | ||
| mwg (Mikeg)
New member Username: Mikeg Post Number: 25 Registered: 8-2003 |
DL, man that sounds like great fun. I had my porsche up to about 150 on I5 and was nervous as heck. I can only imagine 180 plus. I have not had a chance yet to even go over 80 in the 550... but looking forward to it. Theoretically, it might be fun to occassionally give it some gas on the open road or at a light - win or lose. (not that I would ever do it or go over the speed limit - have to say that so that the fatherly types don't chime in about car damage / irresponsibility / save it for the track - etc.) Great story DL! | ||
| DL (Darth550)
Junior Member Username: Darth550 Post Number: 227 Registered: 7-2003 |
Well, A friend of mine and I were on our way up PCH for high speed runs on the "Onion road". We stopped at the light at Webb and just looked at each other. It was on. I was immediately transcended back to my 69 Z28/Muncie M22 "Rockcrusher" days. His 360 was a paddlecar. I got the drop at the green and took him by half a car. After that we dragged pretty much even until the road went up and curved toward Las Virgines Canyon. At Las Virgines, we did it again. This time we started even and stayed even for a good ten seconds and slowed down. Then we stopped for a little "Breaky" and argued for the bragging rights. After that at the "Onion road", it was all me! He got his 360 to ~180 but I hit 191 in the 550. I am getting sweaty palms while typing this now! DL | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1363 Registered: 9-2002 |
Norm, Once moving, how will a 360 catch up? The only advantage it could have is that it won't spin nearly as much (due to less power / torque) and will also get off the line quicker (lighter). Once rolling, there's no way a 360 stands a chance. So if your assessment is that off the line the 550 is faster, then the whole way through it will be. Until you hit the turns! ;) --Dan | ||
| Bart Duesler (The_bart)
Member Username: The_bart Post Number: 324 Registered: 1-2003 |
My transmission and clutch are still OK at 40,000 miles. Me, I take off quite often even if there is no other car around. As to the 360 vs the 550: good question. The only thing I do know is the 550 has a higher top end. | ||
| Norman (Storminnormin)
Member Username: Storminnormin Post Number: 256 Registered: 7-2002 |
100 yard block? Having owned both a 550 and 360, I suspect the 550 (having the torque advantage) would win in 100 yards. Beyond that, the 360 might catch up and pass the 550. | ||
| mwg (Mikeg)
New member Username: Mikeg Post Number: 24 Registered: 8-2003 |
William thanks for the information that fast starts (e.g from a street light) will / might damage a Ferrari transmission and clutch. Add this to the long list of Ferrari reliability issues. Does anyone know if punching it at a light voids a Ferrari warranty? What about quickly accelerating on a freeway entrance ramp? I negligently took off at a light this morning (prior to reading the post) and am just sick to my stomach and considering taking the car in for a check up - and from what I hear, might as well get a belt change. Advice for all - next time someone slides next to you at light in their new BMW 325 and revs it up - ignore him - or better yet, roll down your window and tell them you don't want to ruin your Ferrari transmission with a quick 50 yard sprint. Now - does anyone know first hand which is faster in a quick sprint from standstill - a 360 or a 550? Request - no more lectures please - I am interested in knowing which car would win this "hypothetical" sprint. You can't tell from published 0 - 60 times. | ||
| mwg (Mikeg)
New member Username: Mikeg Post Number: 23 Registered: 8-2003 |
Thanks William - great story! James - the Pinto was pretty quick off the line and ate AMC Pacers for lunch. | ||
| Robert (Rjklein4470)
Member Username: Rjklein4470 Post Number: 294 Registered: 3-2002 |
I have a 360, have not raced a 550, but raced a F-40. I took the F-40 off the line, and then the turbos kicked in, and the fun was over. | ||
| john (Johnwto)
Junior Member Username: Johnwto Post Number: 112 Registered: 6-2002 |
actually i think mike has a really good question. i'm guessing it would be a very close race. | ||
| Jeffrey Robbins (Teachdna)
Junior Member Username: Teachdna Post Number: 123 Registered: 9-2001 |
The 550 owners that I know wouldn't think of it (myself included). We leave our racing to the track. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2995 Registered: 2-2001 |
You dont drag race Ferraris unless you enjoy paying a lot of $ for expensive transmission parts & a new clutch | ||
| James Lee (Aventino)
Junior Member Username: Aventino Post Number: 95 Registered: 6-2003 |
Mike, You've got Pinto and Rambler down in your profile so I thought you'd be pretty sharp off the mark to street light drag races :-). | ||
| mwg (Mikeg)
New member Username: Mikeg Post Number: 22 Registered: 8-2003 |
Anyone have any head to head experience in the "ole green light one block drag race" -- 360 vs 550? Yes I realize it is immature / dangerous / juvenile, etc. but just curious what anyone's actual experience is. The published 0 - 60 mph range varies +- .4 secs depending on what one reads. I was in my newly acquired 550 and a 360 pulled up along side me at a light. I naively did not realize the race was on and was still changing the radio station when he hit the next light. Given equal driving skills what would the likely outcome have been for a 100 yard or so block? Anyone tried this particular testosterone release with the 550 vs 360 Modena or Spider? |