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Modified348ts (Modman)
Member Username: Modman
Post Number: 684 Registered: 11-2001
| Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 11:28 pm: | |
Rob you removed my freedom of speech, what up! you no can handle the truth it's OK, I try to make better world here. People shouldn't take material things to personal or too seriously online cause if you do then you become weak! pooof! |
J R K (Kenyon)
Member Username: Kenyon
Post Number: 686 Registered: 10-2002
| Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 10:10 am: | |
Its a go............. Check this out.....http://www.pistonheads.com/doc.asp?c=117&i=7296 |
Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Intermediate Member Username: Mitch_alsup
Post Number: 1021 Registered: 4-2002
| Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 9:40 am: | |
"The V8 M3 are truely amazing cars. It's quite a shame they will never race again." The story I heard was that if BMW wanted to run the V8s all they had to do was produce 300-500 street versions of same. BMW did not, and the GTRs sit. |
William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx
Post Number: 3009 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 5:47 am: | |
Jeff have you seen the new Bugatti pics ? Damn its like a car for euro rappers, you have the option of a diamond encrusted speedo. Barf Maybe you can get a Bugatti hair weave for your chest too LOL |
Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c
Post Number: 977 Registered: 8-2001
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 9:53 pm: | |
Hubert, Awesome about Skippy school. You'll now be in the RT2000 with slicks and that cool sequential gear box. Have fun just don't try a Zanardi pass in the corksrew (remember Herta's stunned look after the race). I am not that familiar with the FIA rule book either but I remember they banned the 550 Pro Drive gear box a few times the first season or so. Can't remember what Pro Drive did but FIA said it wasn't close to the street car's specs and they missed out on two races (one was Silverstone where the Ferrari fans nearly rioted when they got the news during qualifying). There are two ex-PTG's running in BMWCCA but they are the older inline 6's and aren't quite as fast. Hell I just want the motor to drop into my 88 M5, now that would be a real sleeper. And in BMWCCA no restrictors so I could be pushing 500 hp. Just to give you all an idea about those damn restrictors. The FOW mechanics tell me that in testing they got 140 extra hp on the dyno without the restrictor on their 360GT. They described as the difference between sucking air through a straw and sucking it through a large garden hose. That's basically a Challenge car with nearly 600 hp. Now that would be track car! Well it's off to bed. Great chatting sports car racing with you all!
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Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c
Post Number: 976 Registered: 8-2001
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 9:44 pm: | |
Willis, Ferrari of Wash is my home dealers and I know the entire crew and root for them as well but they faced absolutely no competition in Grand Am this year. Last year it was the unreliability of the Mosler that handed FOW the title. At the majority of races in 2002 the Mosler was faster and on pole but that car was a piece of crap in terms of reliability. At Watkins Glen last year FOW had to repair a broken hub, pit unexpectantly twice for delamenated Dunlops, and had a stop and go penalty and still won the race because the Mosler with a 5 lap lead blew up. Part of the problem is competing series and thin fields. I know that Grand Am and ALMS are two toally different series but neither has enough cars in GTS class to make a good show. In ALMS it was the Vipers running against themselves for much of the late 90's, then Corvette showed up and won a few races and the Vipers quit. So then it was the Corvette's dominating against a few lone Saleens until the 550's showed up and now that they are winning it may not be long before the C5R's leave. In Grand AM GTS/GT class is even less competitive. What bothers me most is that the LMP class will be dead in two years time. We already lost Groupe C at Lemans and all the factory efforts (save Audi) and now the LMP class is dying. Don't get me wrong I like GT racing and seeing 911's, 360's, 550's, CR5's and the like but I also like the 700 hp prototypes that hit 225+ at LeMans.
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Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh
Post Number: 1353 Registered: 1-2002
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 9:37 pm: | |
Jon, I'll betray that I haven't read the FIA/ACO rule books (well, here and there I have, but not cover to cover), and I haven't ventured to see what suspension geometry changes are allowed, or how restricted they'll be -- although I do know there's some latitude. All in all, first year everyone has a really, really hard time, after that it's a question of commitment; don't know how good a platform it is (the murci), but we will see. All said, even with a stellar budget the best you can get is some reliability and a lot of data... beyond that? BTW- why don't you make a pitch to "acquire" one of those GTR's ? They sound like Champ cars, and go pretty good too.I can just see your fellow BMW club racers faces... "...well, sh!t, Kofod's here again with that dammned banshee of his... guess it's time to go home..." Oh, forgot to tell you, I got permission to do the 2 day advanced skippy racing school (in lieu of the 3 day) for my regional SCCA lic. Should be fun, either this december, or early next year at Laguna Seca. |
Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360
Post Number: 1544 Registered: 8-2001
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 9:34 pm: | |
Don't forget Grand Am. Ferrari of Washington's 360GT is doing well. They could repeat their chamionship titles. |
Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice
Post Number: 2076 Registered: 11-2002
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 9:31 pm: | |
Funny how some of you choose to ignore the stereotypical Ferrari owner. Much more notoriety than any Lamborghini fool. Get real guys. These are exciting times to be a car nut, face it. Cheers |
Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c
Post Number: 974 Registered: 8-2001
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 9:30 pm: | |
Damn, Hubert you beat me to it! Mark, you can follow the series in real time at the site Hubert just posted. I know the 360 started out the season kind of slow but was able to finish 2nd in round 4 at Fuji. Last year Speed Channel showed all the races after the season was over. It's good exciting racing but the rules are tilted somewhat towards the home competitors. Mark Firman, Jordan F1 racer, drove a NSXR last year and missed the Championship by a few points. The 360 runs in 300 class which means it doesn't compete directly against the Diablo but against MR2's, Vipers and Celicas and Porsche GT3's. Solly, They were quite successful in FIA in 2001 winning the title over in Europe but the FIA series is mainly British based and not as competitive as ALMS over here. It was close and last year but the 360GT-N's couldn't beat the Porsche's superior fuel mileage. At LeMans the 360GT-N's had terrible reliabilty. At Daytona this year the Kellner's car might have given Buckler a run but that damn F1 transmission cost them 15 laps. I think if Pro Drive was behind the 360 effort they might have been more successful but with mainly privateers running them they haven't got much of a chance in ALMS, FIA, or other venues. As Hubert pointed out the 911 is such a refined, reliable, well balanced race car right out of the box that they (Porsche) can spend time figuring out how to get that last 10th off their lap times while Ferrari and Lamborghini are trying to fiugre out why stuff is still breaking on their cars. Hubert, The V8 M3 are truely amazing cars. It's quite a shame they will never race again. Two of the PTG cars are still at their facility and I have been told will never ever race again. I think one of the Schnitzer cars is being run in the 24 hour races in Europe (Ring and Spa). I am not as convinced as you that throwing gobs of money at the Murci will ensure victory. I think it's still an issue of taking a bad (or less than stellar) road car design and making it work as a race car. FIA mandates certain things from the road car that must remain and cannot be modified and this more than anything will limit what they can do in tersm of throwing money at the car. At least it will be interestind and hopefully there will be someone other than Porsche running up front in GT class at LeMans next year. ALMS and LeMans looks like a Porsche Supercup race in GT class.
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Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power
Post Number: 1689 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 9:19 pm: | |
LOL Jeff! Ernesto |
Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study
Post Number: 779 Registered: 10-2001
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 9:07 pm: | |
One more from 360 Japan GT
Thanks Hubert |
Steven J. Solomon (Solly)
Member Username: Solly
Post Number: 581 Registered: 6-2001
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 9:06 pm: | |
Jon, I was under the impression that the 360 N-GT's have been very successful against the Porsche cars. Is this not true?
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jeff ryerson (Atheyg)
Member Username: Atheyg
Post Number: 443 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 9:06 pm: | |
Will the Lambo race drivers be required to wear double row gold chains with dollar coin medallions along with a 2 carat diamond earring and lots of Brut Cologne in the Lambo tradition? |
Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh
Post Number: 1352 Registered: 1-2002
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 8:59 pm: | |
Mark: http://www.jgtc.net/ |
Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh
Post Number: 1351 Registered: 1-2002
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 8:58 pm: | |
JGTC Diablo GTR = Rolling billboard. Problem is, in endurance racing, porsche has established the watermark b/c they've got the experience, and the fruit of their labor is... development. After so many years, you begin to tease out the weaker, and finer, points of any chassis, that's why porsche has the endurance leagues cornered. AUDI replicated experience with money (read: development dollars), and also bore the fruit of that labor (read: LMP domination at Le Mans, and in the ALMS ). I agree, Jon, that the competition in LMP is thin, but it's still amazing that the R8's finsish with such amazing reliability... it' s a commentary on the development and money spent by AUDI. As for the M3GTR's... AMAZING! They had everyone by the balls. When I saw them run at Laguna, they'd outbrake some LMP cars, and walked all over the GT3R's. Pity that they got banned. Makes you wonder if the M3GTR was THAT good, or if the Porsche was going a little complacent???? As far as the lambo effort... if AUDI throws BAGS of money at it, they'll win, otherwise it'll be a mid pack effort.
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Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study
Post Number: 778 Registered: 10-2001
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 8:50 pm: | |
Jon, how is the Ferrari doing in Japan GT? Is there a good web site to follow the races? Ferrari 360 Modena for All Japan GT Championship
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Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c
Post Number: 971 Registered: 8-2001
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 8:39 pm: | |
Get real, I love Lambo street cars but no way they are going to be competitive unless they just stick a Murci body on the Bentley prototype. Diablos haven't won anything. I follow the Japanese GT races and the Diablo get's it's ass handed to it by 2.0 liter Turbocharged Supras and Skylines. In FIA against the 996 GT3RS and 360GT-N it also has gotten killed regularly. Hell it's quite an accomplishment if a Diablo finishes...forget about a podium. One only need look at how the 996 GT3's are wiping up the floor with the 360's to know that Porsche dominates Gt racing. Only Pro Drive in GTS class has had any success and this is because the Corvette program has been at a standstill since the Vipers left. Everybody thinks their street car can win in GT. Just look at the graveyard of wasted dreams, Bugatti, now Pagani, TVR, Mosler, Saleen, etc.... They all got pounded by Porsche. The only one who took it to the P cars was BMW with the V8GTR M3's and Porsche got them banned pretty quickly. In GT racing, with few exceptions, you are taking a street car and modifying it for racing. Taking a poorly balanced overweight Murci and expecting it to compete with a well balanced, well engineered P car is going to end up in failure unless the rules makers seriously handicap Porsche (which ain't gonna happen when they make up 2/3rds of the grid). I was at an openhouse a few years ago at PTG Racing for the introduction of the BMW M3 GTRV8 and Tom Milner was asked what the difference was between the two concepts (M3 and 996). He said it was simple.....the 911 is a race car modified for the street and the M3 is a street car modified for the race track. I love seeing new makes enter the Sports car arena but other than Prodrive with the 550's no one has been very successful in classes other than GTS. In GT it's Porsche. Rumor has it that Porsche may be bringing out a new version (997) of the RS and also working on a serious effort at a GT2 Evolution Turbo car that would fight in GTS. Face it in a straight line the Murci and Pagani are fast but on the race track it takes endurance and a well balanced car. Why did the Mclaren F1, a road car, win overall at LeMans and a Diablo can't even keep up with a dinky GT Porsche. Simple the F1 was a world class design the Diablo is nothing more than an Italian GT exotic made for 200 mph street romps. And for those of you impressed by the Bentley (and it's parent VW) please don't bore me with their LeMans story. LeMans is now all about marketing hype not COMPETITION. There hasn't been serious competition at LeMans in the LMP class since the mid to late 90's. Look at all the hoopla over the Audi R8's (and I am an Audi owner) about winning three straight LeMans. AGAINST WHO??????? Panoz, Courage, Ascari, Dome.... Give me a break there hasn't been any competition anywhere they have raced. Where is Mercedes, Nissan, Totyota, BMW, Porsche, etc..... Audi is a factory backed effort spending $20+ million a year against tine Henry Pascarollo who has to make due with a million bucks. The great days of factory sports car racing are dead. We should bring back Group C! Time will tell! Regards, Jon P. Kofod 1995 F355 Challenge #23 |
JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall
Post Number: 2398 Registered: 11-2002
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 8:08 pm: | |
Hey ernesto, { } |
Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce
Post Number: 1236 Registered: 10-2001
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 8:07 pm: | |
Well as Luca would say , its a welcome competition. The 575 GTC wont be factory's car right ? I know JMB already bought 2 so Ferraris are going to be ran by private teams.What about Lambo ? will they be factory teams ? |
Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power
Post Number: 1688 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 7:39 pm: | |
How did Lambo do at LeMans this year? Ernesto |
JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall
Post Number: 2397 Registered: 11-2002
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 7:25 pm: | |
WOW...look at all the squealing goin on !! But Lambo fans...DO NOT FORGET, which car won the last 360 Challenge race..and took 2nd...and 3rd...and 4th...a clean sweep...lol. Of course they sucked at LeMans...but that doesn't count! { } |
James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis
Post Number: 2530 Registered: 10-2002
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 6:43 pm: | |
Richard You well may be right. My main point is that this will be real competion wherever it races. |
Dan Gordon (Ferruccio)
Junior Member Username: Ferruccio
Post Number: 162 Registered: 2-2003
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 5:17 pm: | |
Bill, just having a little fun |
Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member Username: Wsawyer
Post Number: 929 Registered: 2-2002
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 4:54 pm: | |
There is a rumor circulating that Bobby Rahal will return to competition to drive a 575 GTC in ALMS next year. As for the Cannonball movies, they were fiction, so what's the point?? |
Dan Gordon (Ferruccio)
Junior Member Username: Ferruccio
Post Number: 161 Registered: 2-2003
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 3:34 pm: | |
Terry, That was a kit car. Not a real countach. They only used a real one in the original Cannon ball run. |
Terry (Dogue)
Member Username: Dogue
Post Number: 387 Registered: 9-2001
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 3:14 pm: | |
Dan, You forget about Cannonball Run II where the Countach did not make it to the beginning of the race before breaking down . |
William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx
Post Number: 3002 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 2:58 pm: | |
Is that 88 a Countach or a Diablo ? Either way the Big Mac is going to eat its lunch  |
Richard Ward (Lomotpk)
Junior Member Username: Lomotpk
Post Number: 92 Registered: 5-2003
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 2:25 pm: | |
James, I thought the same that the Merci R-GT will be next re-body of the R8/Speed8/R-GT8... with a 'three year program to win Le Mans' Although for some reason I don't think it'll be that way, simply because Ferrari isn't in the R8 game, they are GTS. My prediction is Bently/Audi/VW/Bugatti will run the R8 derivatives as their marketing departments require while Lambo will go GTS with the Merci and GT with Gallardo, thus going directly at the 5xx and 3xx series F-cars as well as taking a swipe at the P-Cars in GT. Talk of course is cheap, but we'll see. Lomotpk P.S. William Hart was that your GT2 for sale in the Sunday New York Times? |
Dan Gordon (Ferruccio)
Junior Member Username: Ferruccio
Post Number: 160 Registered: 2-2003
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 1:25 pm: | |
Some of you Lamborghini disbelivers need to rent the movie Cannonball run 1983 with Burt Reynolds. If you remember right the Countach wins. LOL!!
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Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts
Post Number: 6195 Registered: 12-2000
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 1:25 pm: | |
Yes Frank, I never said I thought new Ferraris were as reliable as they should be. I'm just saying people shouldn't expect Ferrari to be the fastest. It would be nice if they were more reliable and wouldn't have software that required you to visit your dealer at the going rate. |
Izel K. (Ferrarist)
Member Username: Ferrarist
Post Number: 285 Registered: 3-2001
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 1:21 pm: | |
great news! it'll be fun to watch. |
Dan Gordon (Ferruccio)
Junior Member Username: Ferruccio
Post Number: 159 Registered: 2-2003
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 1:05 pm: | |
"When it does rain the lambos might just be in with a shout. In the dry, however, with all that extra weight from the 4WD, they'll be left for dead". They are going to take the 4wd off. They will be converted into 2wd |
James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis
Post Number: 2529 Registered: 10-2002
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 1:02 pm: | |
IMHO the "Merci" race cars will be speed 8's/R 8's with Merci bodies. |
thomas daniels (Castex)
Junior Member Username: Castex
Post Number: 91 Registered: 6-2003
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:58 pm: | |
When it does rain the lambos might just be in with a shout. In the dry, however, with all that extra weight from the 4WD, they'll be left for dead. |
James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis
Post Number: 2528 Registered: 10-2002
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:53 pm: | |
Dan/Andrew The AU Nations races have always had "interesting" results. AU cars and teams seem to do very well. All I'm saying is as Bob pointed out: "It's a hard rain that's gonna fall." VW has won LeMans for the last 4 years. LeMans, Daytona, Sebring, SPA. Those are IMHO are the fields of glory... |
Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study
Post Number: 777 Registered: 10-2001
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:51 pm: | |
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Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study
Post Number: 776 Registered: 10-2001
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:49 pm: | |
All the fun is in Japan. Watching this F1 and Lambo mix it up with a NSX, P-car and some Ferraris... that's got to be a great race to watch.
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Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member Username: Parkerfe
Post Number: 2928 Registered: 9-2001
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:47 pm: | |
Rob, and Ferraris are "reliable" and "drivable" ? Maybe when compared to other Italian exotics, but not when you compare them to sports cars from Germany and Japan. IMHO, for the performance you get a 360 should be priced in the $90k range with the 575 coming in at $125k or so. |
Dan Gordon (Ferruccio)
Junior Member Username: Ferruccio
Post Number: 158 Registered: 2-2003
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:42 pm: | |
"Diablo's are winning races? Where? Must have been one's I missed. Those cars are a joke. The new VW/Merci's won't be". I know its not Le mans but: http://www.procar.com.au |
Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce
Post Number: 1232 Registered: 10-2001
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:41 pm: | |
The 575 GTC better be very very good !
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Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce
Post Number: 1231 Registered: 10-2001
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:40 pm: | |
James , Diablo GTR ( ex trophy cars ) are winning some races in the French GT championship. But they dont compete against 360 NGT or 996 GT3-r but against 360 Challenge or 996 Cup cars. |
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts
Post Number: 6193 Registered: 12-2000
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:33 pm: | |
Trying to be the fastest cars on the market in performance tests is ridiculous. I want a complete car. If I wanted the fastest car I would get a 800 hp 2200 lb racer. It would be the fastest car, but would it be reliable? Would it be drivable? Would it have the heritage of the company it represents? Come on, Ferrari doesn't have to be the fastest. Most of you guys can't even use what you have to it's full potential. These aren't race cars, these are street cars! |
Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Member Username: Tbakowsky
Post Number: 570 Registered: 9-2002
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:29 pm: | |
anywhooo back to work i go |
thomas daniels (Castex)
Junior Member Username: Castex
Post Number: 90 Registered: 6-2003
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:28 pm: | |
Yes, the rabid, whinging curs will finally be put in their place. Enzo is watching, goading, spurring his cavallino on to crush the clowns from over the road. We will drink bulls' blood from pint glasses. |
Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Member Username: Tbakowsky
Post Number: 569 Registered: 9-2002
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:27 pm: | |
Of course they are developing new cars, but they are not developing the cars as they could. They seem to be very happy with an unrealiable product. If Ferrari wants to be the top exotic car maker, then their cars must out perform all others bar none!! There should be a gap of a least 1 full second in any performance tests against there competition. Their designs must be very very attractive and exotic looking. The prices they charge should be in accordance to the fact that you can not buy anything at the current time that will beat it! Then people will be more then happy to drop 200k and know full well that they own the road. |
Tyler (Bahiaau)
Intermediate Member Username: Bahiaau
Post Number: 1009 Registered: 12-2001
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:27 pm: | |
This is going to be one hell of a show! |
Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360
Post Number: 1540 Registered: 8-2001
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:19 pm: | |
I doubt Ferrari is resting on their past. Do you really think they're not constantly developing new cars?
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Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study
Post Number: 775 Registered: 10-2001
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:08 pm: | |
Last time I saw the Diablo's racing was in the Japan GT series, against the Skyline, NSX, RX8, Supra. |
Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Member Username: Tbakowsky
Post Number: 568 Registered: 9-2002
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:05 pm: | |
All I can say is fantastic!! This will put Ferrari in such a position that they will be FORCED to build cars that perform equal to there asking prices!!. No more being beaten by a 30,000 dollar WRX when a 360 costs 200k!! They can no longer rest on the past. It's time for them to wake-up and smell the coffee!! |
Dan 360 (Dan360)
Junior Member Username: Dan360
Post Number: 119 Registered: 2-2003
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:04 pm: | |
"return to competition" - this is really going to be the first time serious Lambo competition has been seen. If they throw anything like the effort @ this that they did at the Audi/Bentley prototype teams, then the new factory Ferrari GTS car better be pretty good! Previous Lambo competition was also ran F1 + single make Diablo stuff. Plus a few oddity 60's south american racers. (plus of course the old powerboat jibe). I love ALMS already & this should keep the interest going. Now what we really need is a Ferrari proto-type vs Porsche proto-type vs the Audi-Bentley and we can have a real LM battle. |
James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis
Post Number: 2527 Registered: 10-2002
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:01 pm: | |
Taek Diablo's are winning races? Where? Must have been one's I missed. Those cars are a joke. The new VW/Merci's won't be. |
Richard Ward (Lomotpk)
Junior Member Username: Lomotpk
Post Number: 91 Registered: 5-2003
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:01 pm: | |
Yee Haa!
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James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis
Post Number: 2526 Registered: 10-2002
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 11:59 am: | |
Rob This isn't the Diablo Challange or the Ferrari Challange for that matter. This is the real thing. This is VW coming after Ferrari. This is about Mercedes via McLaren coming after Ferrari. This is about the new Ford GT being 5 sec. a lap faster than a standard 360 at Leguna. This is the gathering storm. |
Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice
Post Number: 2074 Registered: 11-2002
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 11:58 am: | |
Diablos are still being campaigned internationally with success. It will be great to see the Murcielago on the track. I hope this isn't one of those testbed/bs racing efforts. Hopefully they'll have a couple cars running within the next two years. Cheers |
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts
Post Number: 6189 Registered: 12-2000
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 11:55 am: | |
Great news! Remember the Diablo Challenge type series they had a few years ago, that was fun to watch or how about that series with those exotic Jags? |
Richard Ward (Lomotpk)
Junior Member Username: Lomotpk
Post Number: 90 Registered: 5-2003
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 11:36 am: | |
Now this could get interesting... FROM ITALIASPEED.COM Lamborghini have finalised a 2004 sportscar racing program, with an announcement to be made on Tuesday at the Frankfurt Motor Show along with the unveiling of the first Murcielago R-GT prototype. Centering around the 6.2-litre V12 Murcielago supercar, the race version will go head-to-head with the Ferrari 550 Maranellos and Chevrolet Corvettes currently doing battle stateside in the Anerican Le Mans Series. Vici Racing, who have this year been developing a GT Diablo built by Reiter Engineering with factory input and blessing, will run a single car. On the basis of this step forward they have scaled back the Diablo program they had planned for this year, to concentrate on testing. However Vici Racing owner Ron Meixner conceeds that they may run the car later this year at the 1000Kms of Le Mans to work on tyre solutions. Meanwhile the European challenge will be headed Reiter Engineering, the German tuner that developed the Diablo Supertrophy cars and ran the official guest car. Two Murcielago R-GT racers will be entered in the FIA GT series. Reiter drew up plans to run a number of the now redundant Diablo Supertrophy cars in this year's FIA GT series, after a promising toe-dipping exercise towards the end of last year, but shelved plans in order to concentrate on developing the Murcielago R-GT. Lamborghini owner Audi is keen to see the Italian sportscar maker return to competition. The ALMS series represents involvement in their largest market, while the FIA GT series, which will next year see Maserati join the fray, will allow them to take on their two closest rivals, Ferrari and Maserati head on. With the FIA GT series going from strength to strength and to become a World Championship in 2005, after at least one race being held outside Europe next year, Bahrain is already confirmed, Lamborghini want to become bedded down in the series as early as possible. At present Lamborghini will only build three R-GT's, two for the FIA GT series and the third for ALMS. There are no plans to offer customer-specification cars. The three cars will be delivered in December. Copyright ITALIASPEED.COM |