| Author | Message | ||
| Todd Gieger (Todd328gts)
Member Username: Todd328gts Post Number: 569 Registered: 6-2002 |
Thanks Aaron and Augustine...but I still have not received the money...the guy never showed up and then called to tell me he can't get me the deposit until next week...we'll see | ||
| Aaron Williams (Aawil)
Member Username: Aawil Post Number: 321 Registered: 8-2002 |
Todd I think I saw your 328 at new hope it was quite a fine example. God luck hunting down the next. | ||
| Augustine J. Staino (Azzuro328)
Member Username: Azzuro328 Post Number: 287 Registered: 4-2003 |
Todd, Congrats! I'm sure he won't be disappointed. -Augustine | ||
| Todd Gieger (Todd328gts)
Member Username: Todd328gts Post Number: 568 Registered: 6-2002 |
Update...We have a buyer at $51K...Coming today with a $1000.00 deposit...Can't buy it today because he wants to drive it first...and he can't drive it...b/c it's raining. I'll keep you posted | ||
| Andrew S. (Andrew911)
New member Username: Andrew911 Post Number: 9 Registered: 9-2003 |
When washing with soap, use car cleaner soap obviously (as someone said, no dish soap), and whatever ratio the bottle says to use with water, dilute it further. For example, if 1 oz per gallon is recommended, consider somthing less like 0.5 oz per gallon. You shouldn't need a strong soap concentration to clean a car- that will just wear away the polish faster. I dilute the car soap like this on my daily driver as well, as the wax would wear away faster with full soap mixture. Dry car fully with good quality chamis, and don't wash in direct sunlight. Todd- signed up for the 9/21 show- to get back on topic of your 328, I'm looking forward to seeing your great looking car! | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2966 Registered: 9-2001 |
You should wash your car with soap and water several times a year. Those wipe and shine products are OK between washes, but if that is all you use you are causing fine scratches in the paint that over time will ruin the looks of your car. | ||
| philip (Fanatic1)
Member Username: Fanatic1 Post Number: 413 Registered: 2-2003 |
Guys....when you say, I wipe it down.....what are you using...I know someone mentioned Zaino products, but with a spreay bottle and cotton rag, aren't you worried about dirt build up on the rag, or not "floating off" bigger particles, thus resulting in fine, tiny little scratches all over the clear coat.....I'd like to try your method, but could you be more precise in your methods. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2965 Registered: 9-2001 |
Hutch308, if you want to win a national councours such as Pebble Beach you would need to remove the Ansa exhaust, stereo system, titanium racing pedals and Toyo tires and replace them with OEM parts. Originality is what wins at Pebble Beach and other national concours. This car does sound like a great driver though. | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 368 Registered: 9-2002 |
another thing that helps cause rust when the car is washed(badly) is household detergent (the stuff you use on pans, plates etc. when you do em by hand) the reason is that it contains aditives (salt amongst others) that makes the water creep into cracks and crevaces, great on plates but hell if it goes into the weld seams and box sections on a ferrari | ||
| Todd Gieger (Todd328gts)
Member Username: Todd328gts Post Number: 563 Registered: 6-2002 |
Thanks Bob...you are a gentleman...but I just HAVE to try some of the other models. I sincerely will miss it. | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 1512 Registered: 3-2001 |
I'm with Todd and some of the other guys. I wash my car with a hose and water maybe once a year at the most... probably closer to every 18 mos. Other than that, it gets the occasional wipe down. Mine has never seen rain since I bought it five yrs ago. If I drove it in the rain, that means I'd have to wash it more often. And I've put well over 6,000 miles on the car in those 5 yrs.  Todd, sorry to see you selling your prized 328. Somebody is going to get a great car. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 6043 Registered: 5-2001 |
I never knew water was so dangerous. I always hoped it would, now I can tell Marion that I rather have a Rum and Coke instead of a glass of water. "The F-Chat buys don't even wash their cars with it and you want me to drink that crap?" Anyone ever used Rum&Coke to wash their cars? Maybe clear rum and Sprite so it does not leave dark stains? Ah, getting into a DUI checkoint after a thorow wash....priceless. "I could smell you from a mile away" | ||
| Todd Gieger (Todd328gts)
Member Username: Todd328gts Post Number: 562 Registered: 6-2002 |
Same here...I have NEVER got out the hoses and all that other crap...just cleaned with a special detailing spray. | ||
| Scott DeGhetto (Scott63)
Junior Member Username: Scott63 Post Number: 142 Registered: 4-2003 |
I use the entire line of Zaino products. They are available only on-line. Many publications have rated them the best by a mile. After the initial coats are applied, I "wash" the car with a spray bottle of Z6 and a cotton cloth. Their products are expensive, but well worth it. | ||
| Marcus Mayeux (Mmayeux73)
Member Username: Mmayeux73 Post Number: 547 Registered: 4-2002 |
Frank and Scott what do you use to detail your cars since you do not wash? Todd your 328 is aboslutely beautiful-good luck, there is a lucky owner out there somewhere. Best, Marcus | ||
| Kds (Kds)
Junior Member Username: Kds Post Number: 160 Registered: 5-2003 |
Frank... Regarding water leaks, I've owned 2 of Porsche's 911 Targa's and have often wondered the same myself...the top was on off course. LOL !!! Your comments are interesting...rain gutters, drainage areas...etc....this is what I was looking for. I remember James Glickenhaus remarking that 115K miles of all weather use rusted out his TR to some extent and as I want to buy a TR I plan to be somewhat careful with the elements. Ken... I understand about concours cars althought I'm more of a driver myself, but I can relate why it's a concern. | ||
| john beaucher (Spider348)
Junior Member Username: Spider348 Post Number: 102 Registered: 11-2002 |
Wow! Never driven in the rain, on wet roads or through a puddle! Certainly severely curtail use here in N.E. Lord help you if you live in Portland,OR or Seattle ,WA. Todd, your 328 appears to be an exceptional example. Good luck. | ||
| Ken Ross (Kdross)
Member Username: Kdross Post Number: 441 Registered: 2-2002 |
Kds: When you drive a car in the car you will splash up a lot of dirt and debris. This will ruin a concours condition engine bay among other areas of the car. In addition, the issues Tom has already mention are a big concern. If you want to keep a Ferrari super clean, driving it in the rain will cause a lot of frustration. Ken | ||
| Ron (Easy_rider)
Member Username: Easy_rider Post Number: 739 Registered: 12-2002 |
Scott and Frank, what is the source of the special liquid you use to clean the cars? Is it available to everyone? | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
Junior Member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 219 Registered: 8-2003 |
And,even if it's locked in a vault. If,by chance,some water leaks on it,and goes down into the doors. They'll still rot through. | ||
| Frank Wiedmann (Frankieferrari)
Junior Member Username: Frankieferrari Post Number: 218 Registered: 8-2003 |
I was told,when I first started "Ferrari shopping" 3 years ago,that there aren't any drain holes in the bottoms of the doors ,on 308's,anyway. And, water...ANY WATER,Be it rain OR Tap water,can run down into the doors,and just sit there,until,eventually,it rots and rusts through. I always,thereafter,checked the bottoms of the doors for rust bubbles. And,since I bought my car,NEVER get it wet,either. By rain or wet washing. I use the same method as Scott63 does. PLUS,as he said,keeps the undecarriage,wheel wells,small crevaces clean. Personally,I don't think that Ferrari's were meant to be driven in the rain...all the open vents,especially above the engine compartments on some models. Water getting into all those wires and stuff...could be a problem sometime. | ||
| philip (Fanatic1)
Member Username: Fanatic1 Post Number: 406 Registered: 2-2003 |
I think it's safest to buy the car, lock it in vault. Pipe in air, never drive it or expose it to anything.....Don't even look at it, because the light source could contain UV rays harmful to the paint....maybe an underground bunker in case of unforseeable disasters............hmmmmmmmmm | ||
| Kds (Kds)
Junior Member Username: Kds Post Number: 159 Registered: 5-2003 |
OK...fair enough...but as rain water is not salt water and for most intensive purpose can be drank by someone, I can agree with the splash back issue and road grime concerns but not the others. Just curious. | ||
| Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
Member Username: Coachi Post Number: 361 Registered: 5-2002 |
Driving the car in the rain exposes it to a slightly acidic water (pollution, gases dissolved in water etc) which is harmful, as well as water mixing with dirt and chemicals on the road, splashing on the underside. Not driving in the rain avoids such things. Washing the car is somewhat safer, even though there are additives in tap water, as well as well water...but still safer | ||
| Todd Gieger (Todd328gts)
Member Username: Todd328gts Post Number: 558 Registered: 6-2002 |
Thanks Scott and Tom...exactly. | ||
| DHutchison (Hutch308)
Member Username: Hutch308 Post Number: 423 Registered: 1-2002 |
Todd - Your car always looks wet when I see it... perhaps that is because it is ALWAYS so well waxed and polished. | ||
| Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Advanced Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 2807 Registered: 4-2002 |
TOM YOU HAVE SOMETHING STRONG IN YOUR COFFEE THIS MORNING?? WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN LATELY...?? BRUCER | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 4325 Registered: 9-2001 |
RE washing - when you wash the car with water on a nice day it provides the opportunity to dry it thoroughly as well as drive it around for a hour to ensure no water is left in any cracks and crevises, when you drive a car in the rain you don't always have the opportunity to thoroughly dry it. hence the term put away wet. so maybe instead of saying never driven in the rain the better term is never put away wet? but who cares | ||
| Scott DeGhetto (Scott63)
Junior Member Username: Scott63 Post Number: 141 Registered: 4-2003 |
I have also seen Todd's car and it is by far the nicest 328 I have ever seen. Given what is in the car, I think it's a good deal!!! By the way, KDS, I restore older cars and as a rule, I do not drive them in rain or wash them. They are cleaned with a special detailing spray. Water starts the deterioration process on an automobile. I show my cars in concourse class and as such, the undercarriage and engine compartment need to be pristine. If you drive the car in rain, it will be impossible to remove all the road grime.... | ||
| Kds (Kds)
Junior Member Username: Kds Post Number: 158 Registered: 5-2003 |
Todd... That's what I thought, and I understand your intent in making the statement and following the practice of doing so......but now I am curious.......if it was a British car I wouldn't have had to ask the question. LOL !!! Good luck...looks like a nice ride there....hope you find a replacement just as nice. | ||
| Todd Gieger (Todd328gts)
Member Username: Todd328gts Post Number: 557 Registered: 6-2002 |
Hello KDS, The statement is meant to imply careful use and care...and I enjoy the car much more in nice weather vs. rain, etc... All the best, TTG | ||
| Kds (Kds)
Junior Member Username: Kds Post Number: 157 Registered: 5-2003 |
I don't mean to be rude here, just a curious question....if a car is never driven in the rain does this mean that washing cars with water is bad for them too ? I'm sure the car for sale is exceptional and oustanding in every respect, and my post is not intended to detract from it's owner's perception of value, but in 15 years of selling this stuff I have yet to understand what, if any, damage can occur as a result of doing so. If the statement is meant to imply careful use and care I fully understand...but I am looking for a more technical explanation here.....if there is one. | ||
| DHutchison (Hutch308)
Member Username: Hutch308 Post Number: 419 Registered: 1-2002 |
Todd - I'll buy your 328 in January... Just to WIN the BEST IN SHOW AT PEBBLE BEACH CONCOURS!!!! And Todd is a swell guy too!! Before he got married, he got more ass with that car than Gene Simmons, Wilt Chamberlin, and Ron Jeremy combined!!! With the purchase of the car comes Todd's secret 'Black Book' complete with names, dates, adddressess, phone #'s, and Todd's rating. | ||
| Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Advanced Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 2791 Registered: 4-2002 |
THE CAR IS EQUIPPED TO HANDLE PEOPLE WITH ELEPHANTITUS TOO... ACTUALLY, AS TODD IS A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE, AND A MEMBER OF THE NJ GANG...HIS 328 IS PRISTINE.... NEVER DRIVEN IN THE RAIN, ALWAYS WATCHES THE WEATHER REPORTS WHEN HE DECIDES TO DRIVE IT REALLY A BEAUTY, WELL MAINTAINED, AND I WISH HIM LUCK WITH HIS FUTURE ENDEAVORS IN THE FERRARI WORLD.. YOUR FRIEND, BRUCE | ||
| Augustine J. Staino (Azzuro328)
Junior Member Username: Azzuro328 Post Number: 246 Registered: 4-2003 |
I'll have to agree with you on that one. | ||
| Todd Gieger (Todd328gts)
Member Username: Todd328gts Post Number: 554 Registered: 6-2002 |
Thanks Augustine...Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that the buyer must have OCD like me. | ||
| Augustine J. Staino (Azzuro328)
Junior Member Username: Azzuro328 Post Number: 245 Registered: 4-2003 |
Damn! You're selling it? Just to get another F-car right? Well, if I didn't already have one myself, I'd be all over it. Anyone out there who is considering a 328, you can't do better than Todd's. It is, bar none, the cleanest, most beautiful one I've ever seen!!! Good luck finding a worthy home for it! | ||
| Todd Gieger (Todd328gts)
Member Username: Todd328gts Post Number: 552 Registered: 6-2002 |
Here are some of the details on my car: 1986 328 GTS Red/Tan 19,982 Miles Impeccable paint-Never driven in rain. Engine Compartment and Undercarriage meticulously detailed. Refinished wheels w/new Center Caps ($1000.00) Tires-Toyo/Proxes T1 Front 225/50 ZR16-($199 ea.) Rear 245/45 ZR16 ($245 ea.) New Titanium racing pedals and shift knob ($626.00) New Prancing horse floor mats ($400.00) New Eclypse CD Stereo System ($4000.00) New Clutch ($1700.00) New A/C Serviced ($300.00) K&N Air Filter ($45.00) ANSA Exhaust (2500.00) New Complete Brake Job ($1433.17) New Water Pump ($450.00) Belts Serviced 12/2000 All Receipts/Books/Tools/Original Brochure, etc... Confirmed by Ferrari North America (W/Letter of Proof): Vin # ZFFXA20A5G0062375 Production Date: February 3, 1986 Ship to USA Date: March 10, 1986 Call me if you need more details at 973.884.9161 Price: $52K Todd |