| Author | Message | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6276 Registered: 12-2000 |
Well, your direct quote at least "I've begun exploring the possibility of selling my shop". That's fair, we'll leave it at that. Funny that much negativity on this board was propagated by you. If it's so bad, why do you come here? E-mail me Jeremy. I'll take Jeremy's advice and close this thread because of the negativity of JRV, Jeremy, and myself. | ||
| thomas daniels (Castex)
Junior Member Username: Castex Post Number: 93 Registered: 6-2003 |
Um, JRV we spell the 'Discusion' in 'Discussion Forum' with 3 S's. I could re-write your welcome intro for you too, if you like  | ||
| Jeremy Lawrence (F512m)
Junior Member Username: F512m Post Number: 194 Registered: 1-2002 |
Omar, Thank you for the comment. They are 17" Speedlines. The really make the car look more modern. I also have the 16" OEM wheels that I will be buying shoes for soon. One for track, and one for everyday. JL | ||
| Jeremy Lawrence (F512m)
Junior Member Username: F512m Post Number: 193 Registered: 1-2002 |
I agree JR. Personal attacks are pointless here. Lies are human nature for some and have to be expected, but the personal slamming of honest people giving "FREE" information that saves thousands of dollars should not be tolerated. Ftalk does not tolerate that and it is refreshing. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2409 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>William Huber (Solipsist) Formula 3 Username: Solipsist Post Number: 457 Registered: 9-2001 Posted on Saturday, October 26, 2002 - 6:57 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A friend of mine is regretfully selling his shop in Houston, Texas. He has been very successful with his endeavor since 1984 but sadly selling due to family matters & other reasons. For further info, please E MAIL me for contact information. Please, only serous inquires reply. [email protected] << Well Rob, as you well know that post was not put on Fchat by me or with my knowledge or consent...in fact I didn't even know fchat existed until someone emailed me asking me what was up!!!! In fact you may notice by my name it says "post #1".... Now you are trying to take a post by some internet pissant and claim it somehow verifies that you are not lying...pretty funny and absurd at the same time!!! Glad to see you are perpetuateing what this board is best at, spinning lies and negative slants. Someday maybe you will realize that the exact negativity flowing thru this thread is exactly why Ftalk is so important to the true Ferrari Community at large and as a whole. { } | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6274 Registered: 12-2000 |
JRV, specifically tell me which lies I'm "spewing"? http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/251280/157928.html | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2408 Registered: 11-2002 |
Rob, I'm going to have to take issue with you about the personal attacks and now lies you are posting about me and Pinnacle Motorsports. I am not selling Pinnacle Motorsports now, nor was I ever. In fact I've spent the better portion of this year EXPANDING the business. I just added 33% more space to the shop and bought the Pinnacle Motorsports Support Truck & Trailer to expand the distances that Pinnacle Motorsports can effectively support clients. In fact I just delivered a 55 Jag to Austin on Monday and picked up a Countach. And YES I have photos to prove it !!!!!!! When you and others here cross the line and start spewing venoum and lies about people it's not only pathetic, but truly shows how negative the people doing so are from the inside out. That in itself is probably one of the single biggest differences between myself Ftalk and so many guys here...Myself & My Site have a firm rule that the negativity and the negative bitter people will not rule the boards or their tempo. | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 964 Registered: 9-2002 |
Jeremy, nice wheels btw, what size are they, how many pecies, where did u get them? etc | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6271 Registered: 12-2000 |
Right on Jeremy. | ||
| Jeremy Lawrence (F512m)
Junior Member Username: F512m Post Number: 192 Registered: 1-2002 |
Hey Rob, Personally I don't think anything is broken with Fchat. Besides flames getting out of hand. It has helped me keep my dream in front of me and has been a great source of information. I am a life long supporter. Yes I do support JR. Not becuase I think his site is better, or I like him better than you. Just because he is a Ferrari mechanic with 30+ years experience. When I have a "problem" he gives me an experienced "I've seen it a thousand times" real answer. No BS or sugar coating. And in most cases, has it diagnosed before I even get the car into his shop. Within 5 minutes he has solved most of my issues. JR has also been a great sourse of information. With him being local, I can take the car over to him and watch him at work and learn about how my Ferrari works. I have learned a lot about my car this way, and will continue to do so as long as he is willing to teach me. The debate between Fchat and Ftalk is a mixed one. For me, both are an excellent source of information. I can honestly say for me that I probably use fchat more. Reason being, I have JR around the corner for technical issues. If I were in California Ftalk might mean a little more. Fchat has a lot of people who share my love for Ferrari. I have met a lot of great people through Fchat you included. The two can co-exist, and will. Bottom line, the two are different. Enough said. I have the Ferrari bug and want to share it with people who have the same love. JR has it!! You have it!!! Most of us have it. It's not about who has more money, or power, or a better website. You didn't think about that when you started Fchat right? That is the foundation of Fchat. It is not a commercial vehical, but a colaborative effort among Ferrari entheusiasts...a community. We are Fchat. JL | ||
| Dale W Spradling (Drtax)
Member Username: Drtax Post Number: 374 Registered: 4-2003 |
Uh uh... no way... no how... I'm already wasting too much time on this Ferrari board... ain't gonna go to another... don't care how good... Geeze Louise, don't you guys have to work for a living? Nope, I ain't even gonna peek... well, okay I did, but must fight temptation... have to work to afford timing belt change... | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6268 Registered: 12-2000 |
V.Z. - do a search, there are some threads on it. I believe he's looking to have an apprentice come in for a year and then turn it over so he can move to Cali. That were at least his plans awhile ago. I really do understand everyone's points. Just understand my perspective as FerrariChat.com is very close to me. There are Ferraris and there are Fieros that try to look like Ferraris. Ferrari had the idea first. Try that comparison on for size free market! I've been contacted offline and understand several things much better now. I can't divulge, but my reaction is to just chill out if that says anything.  | ||
| V.Z. (Ama328)
Member Username: Ama328 Post Number: 256 Registered: 11-2002 |
JRV selling his shop ?? ?? Details, pls... | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1703 Registered: 2-2001 |
I'll be opening my own Ferrari and Lamborghini forums soon... www.ferrarichit-chat.com and www.lamborghinichit-chat.com. The net is a big place, so whats the big deal? I think we all should open our own Ferrari/Lambo forums with the same look and software, all advertising in Forza. LOL... Ernesto PS. TomD, you comments are exactly right. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 4326 Registered: 9-2001 |
I hear both sides here and appreciated the contributions that JRV has made to this site though I don't agree with his comparisions to factory service versus independant and competition etc etc, - this web site is a very personal thing to Rob and also a very creative and visionary venture for Rob - five years ago if someone thought you could have a site devoted to discussion all aspects of F-cars and get thousands of posts a day most would have thought you were crazy, Rob has succeeded even where the FCA has failed - you have to understand why he is very protective of his creation. I am sure JRV would not like Tom or another well known independant opening up a shop accross the street with the exact same building and signage and placing similar ads in the same publications - its not something someone you are friendly with or know does - it is something your fierce competitor would do. You guys have to understand Rob's feelings here and can't wash it away by saying competition is good or imitation is a form of flattery with all due respect. In the end while Rob takes a few shots here and there I think for the most part he has handled this situation very well and the situation has not had a negative affect on either board | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 2089 Registered: 11-2002 |
Tom, Thanks for the warm comments. From my exposure in the market it seems being a mechanic is a thankless job. People worry so much about aesthetic originality and robust build quality but overlook the heart of the car so many times. I think all these forums are a great resource to arm people with knowledge, and if they're qualified, with the means to solve their own problems. But some things really are better left to the pros. Rob, Why are you insisting on penning this on an individual. Most here are not so much JR supporters, but supporters of a school of thought. Be it who it may, everyone has a right to do as they wish in cyberspace. This isn't North Korea buddy. People have the freedom to do as they wish. As for me and Jeremy having 90% of the posts, I don't think that's any sort of indication of anything. And those numbers are pretty damn skewed, having checked the site myself. Oh, and need I remind you that your top poster was Matt Lemus? The guy you helped crucify? Enough said. I recently met Jeremy here in Houston and he's a stand up guy. Lots of fun to talk to and a genuine car enthusiast. Don't pick petty fights with me Rob. I hold you in high regard for what you've done for this community and my post count and activity in local FChat gatherings should be proof enough of that. If LChat had this sort of traffic I'd be married to it as well. Cheers | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6267 Registered: 12-2000 |
Robert, you know, good question. Do you see James Patterson or David Moore on the board very much? We know JRV has been trying to sell his shop too. You be the judge. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6265 Registered: 12-2000 |
OK, we've heard from the JRV fan club of Taek and Jeremy, the 3 of them have 90% of the FT posts. So what is broke with FerrariChat.com Jeremy? I've known you for almost 3 years and you've never given me any feedback. I expect if users have advice, that they give it to me. | ||
| Alan Leach (Speedy308)
Junior Member Username: Speedy308 Post Number: 99 Registered: 12-2002 |
You gotta be thick skinned around here J. I recommend a crash helment and maybe a cup! | ||
| Jeremy Lawrence (F512m)
Junior Member Username: F512m Post Number: 191 Registered: 1-2002 |
What's wrong with making your own parking brake cable? The original design didn't work very well anyway!!! | ||
| Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Member Username: Tbakowsky Post Number: 581 Registered: 9-2002 |
Well said Taek. I agree with your last post 100%. I'm a mechanic aswell who works on exotic cars, and your points are right on the mark. JRV has been a great help to me (BB512i boxer no spark problem) and to others on this site. If he wants to have his own web site to help and generate business for is shop, then he should not be chastized for it. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6263 Registered: 12-2000 |
OK JRV, I know you've been nice the entire time, so I'll get over my grudge and be nice too. Competition in any form is good for the consumers. Any of my comments were more just advice, but came out like complaining as they were in a form of "why did you do this or that?". I would understand and have no problems if you... Tried not to dilute all the non Technical sections of FerrariChat.com. If your niche is really technical, why did you copy everything? I did www.lamborghinichat.com as a favor to several users. My heart isn't in it like FC and I could care less as there's about 10 Lambo sites and they all have minimal traffic. | ||
| Robert W. Garven Jr. (Robertgarven)
Member Username: Robertgarven Post Number: 301 Registered: 2-2002 |
Im pissed as now I will have even less time. JV when do you have time to work on cars? Im on 4 lists now and wishing cloning was available as I am stuck in front of the computer day and night!!! Respectfully, Rob | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 2088 Registered: 11-2002 |
Rob, >>Taek-Ho is attached to the hip of JRV so everyone knows.<< That's pretty cold. I'm not attached to the hip, what I am is fair. When he went under fire for starting FTalk I had the sack to sit there and take knocks on my head while just making the point that the guy not only has the right to do whatever he wants, but has the qualifications to make it an excellent peripheral site for enthusiasts. Since when do you have a monopoly on Ferrari hobbyists? That is simply laughable. Get out of your shell. There is more to Ferraris than FChat, FTalk, FForum, and all the others rolled together. JR's site is not a commercial venture, he's not taking away sponsor money or anything. Looking at some posts he apparantly thought about it and had someinteresting parties but never followed through for reasons only known to him. Why do I respect JR? Because the man KNOWS his cars. He is also one of the few people who give Lamborghinis, my favorite marque, the respect I feel they are due. It's tough enough being a Lamborghini fan in this site, I hang to whatever guys who share my passion as I can. I have owned these cars and he has been nothing but helpful and I've never even forked money over to him. FREE, PROFESSIONAL, COURTEOUS, TIMELY, and ACCURATE advice. Through our conversations offline about my cars, or cars in general we have indeed developed a friendship. Attached at the hip? I think not. He is my friend and in car tech stuff he is my mentor and tutor. Instead of belittleing the man, do a search on your owns site and find that JR appreciation thread not too long ago and see the respected members of your own community sticking up for a true enthusiast. Is he a bit quick to fire? Sure. But so would you if your job is fixing cars that are fixed by the very methods you see in this site or similar sites from other marques. Then he has to go on and apologize to a manically angry customer with a calm voice as to why his precious Ferrari is broken. I've seen it in my visit here. He then gets to work and fixes the problem. Does he take some of this stuff personally? It seems so, but I would guess that so do other true wrenching enthusiasts. Cheers | ||
| Oldslow308 (Djparks)
Member Username: Djparks Post Number: 630 Registered: 2-2003 |
My own feelings on this; I get the best of both worlds, choice between two choice sites. Each site offers it's own level of atmosphere and information (or disinformation) even though they are nearly identical. I agree with Rob Lay about the work and sacrifices he went through to make Fchat survive and work. In all fairness I personally would have tried to avoid duplication of format on JRV's part if for no other reason but to give his own site the individuality it should have and deserves. I agree with JR about it being a big universe. I believe that this problem will take care of itself when the new Fchat format is introduced rendering this discussion moot. I want to thank EVERYBODY HERE AND THERE for the priceless education about my car that I have received in the last 10 months. .05 DJ | ||
| Ken Thomas (Future328driver)
Member Username: Future328driver Post Number: 566 Registered: 12-2001 |
The look and feel of FChat is protected under copyright law. If F-Talk is too similar, JRV may be infringing on that copyright. | ||
| David Feinberg (Fastradio2)
Member Username: Fastradio2 Post Number: 330 Registered: 4-2002 |
Rob, Although I respect your thoughts and efforts, isn't "imitation the sincerest form of flattery...", or something like that? Regards, David | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6260 Registered: 12-2000 |
Taek-Ho is attached to the hip of JRV so everyone knows. Bill Badursky posts here too. FT is great in the same way that The Ferrari List is great. Any small community has it's major benefits. FerrariChat.com is the largest online Ferrari Community in the world by a large multiple (minus F1 sites) and we try to keep the small community feel through regional sections and will be introducing other breakdowns with the new software. I love small communities, I love Yangs site for pure classic Ferrari and restoration information because it's specialized. If FT is just a tech site, why isn't that the only forum as Yang only has a Vintage forum? Instead, it's obvious that JRV is trying for an exact copy. I would respect JRV if he would have a specialty with tech topics. That's really the only section that gets any real traffic on his site anyway. | ||
| Alan Leach (Speedy308)
Junior Member Username: Speedy308 Post Number: 97 Registered: 12-2002 |
Who you gonna call??? GHOSTBUSTERS!!!! LOL! | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2404 Registered: 11-2002 |
I sense a couple of you guys taking DEEP Breaths....are you trying to get more than your fair share of our AIR??? Are we going to have to start watching some of you???? >>the exact same software, advertised in Forza same way, and has privately recruited FerrariChat.com users is not illegal and I can't do anything about it, but I think he's about the lowest scum of the earth for doing it. << Believe it or not Ferrari of Houston has been saying much the same for 20 yrs now...ising the same wrenches, using the same oil, filling the tires with the same air, soliciting our customers with the age old trick of better service at lower prices....yea..FoH thinks I'm Evil !!!! { } But I ask you, what other chatroom has it's Own Ambulance, it's Own Hospital, it's Own Car Dr's onboard LIVE to stop bleeding & prevent loss of life???? So it appears to stand alone in many respects !!! | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 2086 Registered: 11-2002 |
I'm in Houston right now and I saw that big red thing! That sucker is enormous! Hahahaha. Awesome truck JR. As for originality on F-Talk... The tech section there is very dense with highly knowledgeable people. Bill Badursky, the Ferrari Club of America Tech Chairman posts questions and answers over there! David Feinberg posted a kickass tech article on carb settings for a boxer. There are also other tech articles there neatly organized for people to peruse. And a bunch of them are done by posters. I've learned a lot knowing the source of the knowledge is not just a well versed wrencher who patched up his car for the next 5k miles, but decades of hands on practical experience from people who know the cars inside and out from working on them day in and day out. I went to Pinnacle Motorsports yesterday and was expecting to see five Porsches and maybe a Ferrari, as is usually the case when someone advertises Lamborghini-Ferrari-Porsche. Much to my surprise I think I saw close to 10 Ferraris in there! I'll post pictures when I get back home. He gave me a tour and I watched the guy work. Is it possible? He made it look easy and taught me a thing or eight along the way. Don't get me wrong, there's great advice on FChat also, but it tends to be diluted with answers to questions by trying to find out the easiest or most cost effective way (see parking brake thread), and it pains me to see some cars getting patched up this way because they will probably end up sold to some enthusiast who will bring the car to their nearest dealer/independent and give them a heart attack. I'm from the school of thought that you fix things once and you fix them right. The savings a lot of times, in these cars don't justify the risk of incurring additional if not more severe damage. Funny how some cry about patina and turn around and mechanically butcher their cars. I guess if you can't see it, it doesn't count? No personal attacks meant by me at any of the respected and thorough people currently posting on FChat; just my observation. Cheers | ||
| Alan Leach (Speedy308)
Junior Member Username: Speedy308 Post Number: 95 Registered: 12-2002 |
Yep, that's the one. Real people, fixing real cars. Even the artsy fartsy ones. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2403 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>He saw it on the side of this big red IVECO truck!!!!<< You mean this one, the Italian Stallion Emergency Response Vehicle (Ambulance) ???? { }  | ||
| Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Intermediate Member Username: Jim_schad Post Number: 1837 Registered: 7-2002 |
I think my only concern is that I like to have everyone at one place to hang out. Basically that is what we are doing. Meet at the coffee shop, the water cooler etc. We meet at fchat so it sucks when so and so isn't here because they are over at some other site. But JRV is right..the internet is huge and there are tons of sites on the same topics and each one has a diff feel and readership so you probably get a better perspective by visiting several. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 2083 Registered: 11-2002 |
F-Talk.com is my education in the hobby. Learn more technical things there than anywhere else. The users there REALLY know how to mess with these cars. Agree that atmosphere is different. Cheers | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 6258 Registered: 12-2000 |
Here's a recent related post of mine in the tech section... bite me! JV ain't going to have to pay a subscription fee. However, in return I get a 5% commission on all work he generates from FC. Also, 50% from FT and LT revenues for spending several years and loosing money and time to find the best formula (topics, software, ad in Forza) for JV to copy everything exactly overnight. You know, I'm proud and can walk tall being where I am though. I accomplished something. Here's all the things I think about JRV personally... good mechanic and very helpful on FerrariChat.com to technical users. He use to be a real ••••••• with the tone of his posts and attacks, but I think a year of learning the internet has toned him down quite nice. I don't mind him around FC and the fact that he duplicated the structure of FerrariChat.com almost exactly, the exact same software, advertised in Forza same way, and has privately recruited FerrariChat.com users is not illegal and I can't do anything about it, but I think he's about the lowest scum of the earth for doing it. Anything original that would of added additional value to the Ferrari Community would of been great, but instead he tries to dilute FerrariChat.com with an exact copy. I would hope everyone else would feel the same way I do and wouldn't give JRV the time of day, but it's a free world thankfully. | ||
| Alan Leach (Speedy308)
Junior Member Username: Speedy308 Post Number: 94 Registered: 12-2002 |
He saw it on the side of this big red IVECO truck!!!! | ||
| David Feinberg (Fastradio2)
Member Username: Fastradio2 Post Number: 328 Registered: 4-2002 |
Great board, great people...and a bit of a different spin. I get my financial news from several different sources...Why should my (your) passion be any different? Check it out... | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2402 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>What's the story with Ferrari-talk, which i just discovered?<< How did you find the site? Forza? reference? Search Engine? >>Is it affiliated in some way with Chat << It's simply an additional info resourse for those that want or need it. Perhaps you noticed there seems to be quite a friendly, helpful atmosphere . >>or is it a competitor?<< Have you seen a Map of Cyber Space lately????? Man it's huuuugggeee!!! I equate Cyber space more to Outer Space viewed thru a Telescope more than Inner Space viewed thru a Microscope. Both fill the lens on full zoom, but when you stand back a little, one appears huge the other small. So I guess it's all in ones perspective if things look good or bad, big or small, positive or negative.. As far as looking simular, that's like saying every magazine that comes in a wrapper looks simular. But don't fret, what's on the insides are all different. Besides Ferrarichat has a whole new look coming soon, so not even the wrappers will look simular very soon I read here recently. In fact wasn't there a Beta version link posted! Maybe you guys can help me out a little...please explain how free sites can compete for people to talk? And what exacyly are the competeing for??? Free Customers? If that's the case then aren't we all competeing against one another for AIR ??? And since we don't really know how much air there is to go around...maybe we should be more concerned with people who are taking DEEP Breaths...just in case!!! { } | ||
| Jonas Petersen (Karsten335)
Member Username: Karsten335 Post Number: 559 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hmm, its a copy man.. :D | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 709 Registered: 3-2003 |
...and a well known moderator;-) | ||
| Bill V (Doc)
Member Username: Doc Post Number: 431 Registered: 9-2001 |
What's the story with Ferrari-talk, which i just discovered? Is it affiliated in some way with Chat or is it a competitor? The layout looks mighty familiar. |